OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch"; Suspended for remainder of season

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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#81 » by Nate505 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:05 am

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Haha Howard going full blown clown in the press conference. "it wasn't a press, it was just a pressure defense" Haha someone needs to tell him what press is short for.

Again if he wanted the game to just run out, dont press, or excuse me let me use his terms, dont play 5 man pressure defense with your starters against the opposing team's backups. If youre doing that as a coach, that means youre still coaching up your players and playing hard. So dont get mad when the opposing coach calls a timeout to coach up his backups on how to break a press defense.

Unwritten rules for thee but not for me: The Juwan Howard philosophy.


I didn’t see it but it seems that Howard had starters pushing full court on D and the other coach, up big, called a timeout with a minute to go. If that’s the case I’m surprised at posters on here saying that’s a whatever. No. That BS. Game is over, if you haven’t coached up your bench on how to run out the clock that’s on you. You don’t call a timeout in that circumstance to teach them. Again, not an excuse for Howard’s later behavior. But that’s junk.

So is playing a full court press when you're down by 20 or whatever in the final minute of the game. If you want the game to end, let it end. Like maybe it happens in the NBA, but I've never seen NBA players running a press when there's a blowout going on.

So when you do that garbage, who cares if the other coach calls a timeout.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#82 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:07 am

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Haha Howard going full blown clown in the press conference. "it wasn't a press, it was just a pressure defense" Haha someone needs to tell him what press is short for.

Again if he wanted the game to just run out, dont press, or excuse me let me use his terms, dont play 5 man pressure defense with your starters against the opposing team's backups. If youre doing that as a coach, that means youre still coaching up your players and playing hard. So dont get mad when the opposing coach calls a timeout to coach up his backups on how to break a press defense.

Unwritten rules for thee but not for me: The Juwan Howard philosophy.


I didn’t see it but it seems that Howard had starters pushing full court on D and the other coach, up big, called a timeout with a minute to go. If that’s the case I’m surprised at posters on here saying that’s a whatever. No. That BS. Game is over, if you haven’t coached up your bench on how to run out the clock that’s on you. You don’t call a timeout in that circumstance to teach them. Again, not an excuse for Howard’s later behavior. But that’s junk.

Why is that BS?

Why does Howard get to have his starters out the entire 40 and have them play a legit press and coaching them up to the buzzer. But Garb cant coach up his bench players? If Howard just wanted the game to run out, why is he playing his starters and having them play a hard press up until the last minute?

When you have your starters out and pressing hard. That is pretty much a sign that you are still coaching the game up and taking it serious. Dont get mad when the other coach does the exact same thing. If Michigan put their bench in or laid off the press defense, Garb isnt going to call the timeout. Its pretty simple.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#83 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:09 am

The team that’s up big has to show some mercy in the final minute or two. The team down can scrap. One is teaching good sportsmanship and the other to play hard through the finish line.

The game is over either way. No reason for a timeout.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws 

Post#84 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:09 am

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Haha Howard going full blown clown in the press conference. "it wasn't a press, it was just a pressure defense" Haha someone needs to tell him what press is short for.

Again if he wanted the game to just run out, dont press, or excuse me let me use his terms, dont play 5 man pressure defense with your starters against the opposing team's backups. If youre doing that as a coach, that means youre still coaching up your players and playing hard. So dont get mad when the opposing coach calls a timeout to coach up his backups on how to break a press defense.
This makes Howard look very bad. He's about as clueless as they come and I won't be supporting him going forward. I hope Michigan fires him.

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Yup and again, this isnt the first time. First time he actually swung at someone. But last year he got ejected during a timeout when his team had to hold him back multiple times as he charged the Maryland bench multiple times.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#85 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:12 am

SNPA wrote:The team that’s up big has to show some mercy in the final minute or two. The team down can scrap. One is teaching good sportsmanship and the other to play hard through the finish line.

The game is over either way. No reason for a timeout.


Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#86 » by chilluminati » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:12 am

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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#87 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:14 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
SNPA wrote:The team that’s up big has to show some mercy in the final minute or two. The team down can scrap. One is teaching good sportsmanship and the other to play hard through the finish line.

The game is over either way. No reason for a timeout.


Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.

That’s my point. It isn’t a time to coach up your bench. That should have already happened. What you do is let it ride and take the W and go home.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#88 » by mccluskey » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 am

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Haha Howard going full blown clown in the press conference. "it wasn't a press, it was just a pressure defense" Haha someone needs to tell him what press is short for.

Again if he wanted the game to just run out, dont press, or excuse me let me use his terms, dont play 5 man pressure defense with your starters against the opposing team's backups. If youre doing that as a coach, that means youre still coaching up your players and playing hard. So dont get mad when the opposing coach calls a timeout to coach up his backups on how to break a press defense.

Unwritten rules for thee but not for me: The Juwan Howard philosophy.


I didn’t see it but it seems that Howard had starters pushing full court on D and the other coach, up big, called a timeout with a minute to go. If that’s the case I’m surprised at posters on here saying that’s a whatever. No. That BS. Game is over, if you haven’t coached up your bench on how to run out the clock that’s on you. You don’t call a timeout in that circumstance to teach them. Again, not an excuse for Howard’s later behavior. But that’s junk.


gimme a break dude. Howard had several starters in the game pressing with 15 seconds left, not a minute. Wisconsin had their end of bench guys in there and the ball went out in backcourt off UM with 4 seconds left to get it over halfcourt, so the coach called a TO to reset the 10-second clock and give his guys more time to get it over.

it was a really stupid thing for Howard to get that upset about. A head coach in his position has to control his emotions way better than that.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#89 » by azcatz11 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 am

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SNPA wrote:The team that’s up big has to show some mercy in the final minute or two. The team down can scrap. One is teaching good sportsmanship and the other to play hard through the finish line.

The game is over either way. No reason for a timeout.


Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.


Why are you engaging with him? Who gives a crap if he used TO. Classless. Sure. Grabbing Howards' arm. Don't go there.

Howard literally put his players in a horrible position by losing his composure. I'm just glad a bigger fight didn't break out.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#90 » by azcatz11 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:20 am

Get this man as far away as Michigan as you can. He can coach community college for the next 10 years until he learns his lesson

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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#91 » by jokeboy86 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:20 am

They'll suspend him possibly for the rest of the season but they won't fire him, Howard's got way too many defenders and allies in the national media and ex/current NBA players for Michigan to want to deal with that kind of heat. But Howard's not going to last that long at Michigan anyway because like Penny is finding out when the going gets tough at certain D-1 schools the fanbases, students, boosters and local media can wear people out quickly. The expectations at Big Ten basketball schools can be unreasonable at times.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#92 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:20 am

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Nate505 wrote:Unwritten rules for thee but not for me: The Juwan Howard philosophy.


I didn’t see it but it seems that Howard had starters pushing full court on D and the other coach, up big, called a timeout with a minute to go. If that’s the case I’m surprised at posters on here saying that’s a whatever. No. That BS. Game is over, if you haven’t coached up your bench on how to run out the clock that’s on you. You don’t call a timeout in that circumstance to teach them. Again, not an excuse for Howard’s later behavior. But that’s junk.


gimme a break dude. Howard had several starters in the game pressing with 15 seconds left, not a minute. Wisconsin had their end of bench guys in there and the ball went out in backcourt off UM with 4 seconds left to get it over halfcourt, so the coach called a TO to reset the 10-second clock and give his guys more time to get it over.

it was a really stupid thing for Howard to get that upset about. A head coach in his position has to control his emotions way better than that.

Thanks for more context. Still, take the backcourt violation. It’s the responsibility of the team up big to show class in winning. At the same time, I can see the argument Howard shouldn’t have had starters pushing up. But so what…let them have a little at the end. Who cares. You won. Just let it go. There no reason for a timeout. And none of this is an excuse for Howard.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#93 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:25 am

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SNPA wrote:The team that’s up big has to show some mercy in the final minute or two. The team down can scrap. One is teaching good sportsmanship and the other to play hard through the finish line.

The game is over either way. No reason for a timeout.


Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.

That’s my point. It isn’t a time to coach up your bench. That should have already happened. What you do is let it ride and take the W and go home.

If we go by that standard, this wasn't the time to coach up your team to play press. That should've already happened...

Again the argument of one coach gets to play it out and coach up his guys to the final minute, while the other doesnt is beyond dumb. There is no unwritten rule about that. It would be very different if Howard didnt have his guys playing and press and was playing off trying to let the clock run out, but Garb called a timeout. But again that wasn't the situation. If Howard wanted the clock to run out and got pissed Garb didnt, dont play press.

This is just unbelievably dumb. Even most Michigan fans arent defending this online. The vast majority of them know how dumb Howard was here and again this isnt the first time he's done something like this.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#94 » by azcatz11 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:28 am

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I didn’t see it but it seems that Howard had starters pushing full court on D and the other coach, up big, called a timeout with a minute to go. If that’s the case I’m surprised at posters on here saying that’s a whatever. No. That BS. Game is over, if you haven’t coached up your bench on how to run out the clock that’s on you. You don’t call a timeout in that circumstance to teach them. Again, not an excuse for Howard’s later behavior. But that’s junk.


gimme a break dude. Howard had several starters in the game pressing with 15 seconds left, not a minute. Wisconsin had their end of bench guys in there and the ball went out in backcourt off UM with 4 seconds left to get it over halfcourt, so the coach called a TO to reset the 10-second clock and give his guys more time to get it over.

it was a really stupid thing for Howard to get that upset about. A head coach in his position has to control his emotions way better than that.

Thanks for more context. Still, take the backcourt violation. It’s the responsibility of the team up big to show class in winning. At the same time, I can see the argument Howard shouldn’t have had starters pushing up. But so what…let them have a little at the end. Who cares. You won. Just let it go. There no reason for a timeout. And none of this is an excuse for Howard.


All you've done is make excuses for a TO :lol: :lol:
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#95 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:32 am

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Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.

That’s my point. It isn’t a time to coach up your bench. That should have already happened. What you do is let it ride and take the W and go home.

If we go by that standard, this wasn't the time to coach up your team to play press. That should've already happened...

Again the argument of one coach gets to play it out and coach up his guys to the final minute, while the other doesnt is beyond dumb. There is no unwritten rule about that. It would be very different if Howard didnt have his guys playing and press and was playing off trying to let the clock run out, but Garb called a timeout. But again that wasn't the situation. If Howard wanted the clock to run out and got pissed Garb didnt, dont play press.

This is just unbelievably dumb. Even most Michigan fans arent defending this online. The vast majority of them know how dumb Howard was here and again this isnt the first time he's done something like this.


Ehh…

There is an unwritten rule.

Up big in final minute means ease up. Let it run out. Take the W. At least that what sportsmanship is to me. And it’s also not dependent on if the other coach is playing his starters. As long as the other team is just playing ball (no dirty ****) then learn to let it go. Show class. Even if you think the other guy isn’t.

Garb calls a timeout in final moments up big. Then grabs Howard, forcefully too, by the arm. Then gets in his path and jaws. Then when Howard grabs his collar and let’s go Garb doesn’t ease up he keeps jawing. Then his assistant comes in hot. That’s a lot of steps to pick a different direction. Howard was fine to jaw back. He shouldn’t have reached at the assistant (without knowing what the assistant said…but it’d have to be way outside the lines to justify Howard’s behavior).
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#96 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:33 am

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gimme a break dude. Howard had several starters in the game pressing with 15 seconds left, not a minute. Wisconsin had their end of bench guys in there and the ball went out in backcourt off UM with 4 seconds left to get it over halfcourt, so the coach called a TO to reset the 10-second clock and give his guys more time to get it over.

it was a really stupid thing for Howard to get that upset about. A head coach in his position has to control his emotions way better than that.

Thanks for more context. Still, take the backcourt violation. It’s the responsibility of the team up big to show class in winning. At the same time, I can see the argument Howard shouldn’t have had starters pushing up. But so what…let them have a little at the end. Who cares. You won. Just let it go. There no reason for a timeout. And none of this is an excuse for Howard.


All you've done is make excuses for a TO :lol: :lol:


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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#97 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:00 am

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Duke4life831 wrote:
SNPA wrote:The team that’s up big has to show some mercy in the final minute or two. The team down can scrap. One is teaching good sportsmanship and the other to play hard through the finish line.

The game is over either way. No reason for a timeout.


Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.

That’s my point. It isn’t a time to coach up your bench. That should have already happened. What you do is let it ride and take the W and go home.

Or Howard could have pulled the press like teams normally do with single digits and take the L and go home. He was just pissy he got his ass kicked and was trying to tighten the score against some walk ons so he wouldn't look bad.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#98 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:03 am

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Garb put his bench in. Howard himself said he was mad that Wisconsin didnt just let the clock run out. If that is what he wanted then dont have your starters playing press. If he wanted to teach his guys to play to the final minute, dont get mad that Garb is then going to use that as a moment to coach up his bench as well. Its a give and take situation.

That’s my point. It isn’t a time to coach up your bench. That should have already happened. What you do is let it ride and take the W and go home.

Or Howard could have pulled the press like teams normally do with single digits and take the L and go home. He was just pissy he got his ass kicked and was trying to tighten the score against some walk ons so he wouldn't look bad.

Ok. So…? That absolves the other coach of acting with sportsmanship?
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#99 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:06 am

If a coach calls a timeout you didn't like, call him after the game or talk to him at the next big ten conference. He was upset his team got it's ass kicked. If he was more upset by the timeout he is an idiot and a bad coach. Well he's an idiot either way
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#100 » by DrCoach » Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:36 am

1. The Wisconsin Coach grabbed Howard first
2. Wasnt there 15 secs left in the blow out?

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