OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch"; Suspended for remainder of season

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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#121 » by jazzed77 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:39 am

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azcatz11 wrote:Here’s the audio. Juwan Howard is a maniac

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That’s really in Howard’s favor. He says something like I’ll remember that **** (not exact but sounds like it) and the other coach grabs him and yanks him and gets in his path. Howard was trying to walk by and say his piece but keep moving. Howard then says repeatedly don’t touch me and the other coach stays blocking his path.

Howard should not have reached. But this isn’t nearly as one sided as it’s being made.


Yeah I'm trying to see where the other coach "grabs him and yanks him" and I don't see that at all. I do agree he stepped in front of him.
Howard did address the coach first, and then the other coach stepped in front of him to reply. He did get close to him. I don't see him "yanking him." I do see Howard waving his finger at the other coach as well. Both seem kind of belligerent, but it's also a loud and heated atmosphere.
Honestly I think if it was left at that confrontation, you would just chalk it up as both guys were heated, it was an intense conference rivalry game, and sports get emotional sometimes. We've all been there and I think most would be inclined to let it go on both sides.
But what escalated the situation to a dangerous and truly unsportsmanlike situation was Howard putting hands on the other guy in an unmistakeably hostile manner. That was a leap over the line of what's acceptable, so in that sense, it was pretty one sided.
Howard is the reason this situation got out of control, and he put his entire team in a bad situation.
That's just poor leadership. He might be a great Xs and Os guy for all I know, but head coach is at its core a leadership position.


How do you miss it? Dude clearly stops Howard by grabbing his right elbow and then grabs his wrist/hand when Howard tries to step around him.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#122 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:41 am

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SNPA wrote:That’s really in Howard’s favor. He says something like I’ll remember that **** (not exact but sounds like it) and the other coach grabs him and yanks him and gets in his path. Howard was trying to walk by and say his piece but keep moving. Howard then says repeatedly don’t touch me and the other coach stays blocking his path.

Howard should not have reached. But this isn’t nearly as one sided as it’s being made.


Yeah I'm trying to see where the other coach "grabs him and yanks him" and I don't see that at all. I do agree he stepped in front of him.
Howard did address the coach first, and then the other coach stepped in front of him to reply. He did get close to him. I don't see him "yanking him." I do see Howard waving his finger at the other coach as well. Both seem kind of belligerent, but it's also a loud and heated atmosphere.
Honestly I think if it was left at that confrontation, you would just chalk it up as both guys were heated, it was an intense conference rivalry game, and sports get emotional sometimes. We've all been there and I think most would be inclined to let it go on both sides.
But what escalated the situation to a dangerous and truly unsportsmanlike situation was Howard putting hands on the other guy in an unmistakeably hostile manner. That was a leap over the line of what's acceptable, so in that sense, it was pretty one sided.
Howard is the reason this situation got out of control, and he put his entire team in a bad situation.
That's just poor leadership. He might be a great Xs and Os guy for all I know, but head coach is at its core a leadership position.

It happened at like the two second mark of the video. Howard was walking past Gard and Gard grabbed Howard’s arm to stop him from walking by so that he could say whatever he was saying. And you could then hear Howard telling him repeatedly not to touch him. I honestly don’t see how people are missing that. It was about as clear as the slunch (slap/punch) that Howard threw at the assistant.


The first guy to lay hands on the other is Gard.

That’s clear. It’s indisputable.

Gard grabs Howard by the right arm, and maneuvers into his path stopping him from walking by. Howard said he’d remember that **** but he was walking past him. That a lot different than grabbing (maybe yank is the wrong word) a guy and stopping his ability to walk by and jawing at him.

You can see Howard’s first reaction to grab his shirt but he does catch himself and let go.

Here’s the steps:

Timeout (think what you will)
Howard says I’ll remember that **** walking by
Gard grabs Howard by arm
Gard gets his Howard’s path
Gard runs his mouth
Howard says don’t ****touch me
Howard grabs shirt and let’s go, keeps saying don’t touch me
Gard remains in Howard’s path jawing
Other coaches come in
The one comes in hot
Howard reaches
It kicks off

Howard was the spark that light it. It’s not only Howard that piled the kindling and added gas.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#123 » by CIN-C-STAR » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:47 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
SNPA wrote:That’s really in Howard’s favor. He says something like I’ll remember that **** (not exact but sounds like it) and the other coach grabs him and yanks him and gets in his path. Howard was trying to walk by and say his piece but keep moving. Howard then says repeatedly don’t touch me and the other coach stays blocking his path.

Howard should not have reached. But this isn’t nearly as one sided as it’s being made.


Yeah I'm trying to see where the other coach "grabs him and yanks him" and I don't see that at all. I do agree he stepped in front of him.
Howard did address the coach first, and then the other coach stepped in front of him to reply. He did get close to him. I don't see him "yanking him." I do see Howard waving his finger at the other coach as well. Both seem kind of belligerent, but it's also a loud and heated atmosphere.
Honestly I think if it was left at that confrontation, you would just chalk it up as both guys were heated, it was an intense conference rivalry game, and sports get emotional sometimes. We've all been there and I think most would be inclined to let it go on both sides.
But what escalated the situation to a dangerous and truly unsportsmanlike situation was Howard putting hands on the other guy in an unmistakeably hostile manner. That was a leap over the line of what's acceptable, so in that sense, it was pretty one sided.
Howard is the reason this situation got out of control, and he put his entire team in a bad situation.
That's just poor leadership. He might be a great Xs and Os guy for all I know, but head coach is at its core a leadership position.

It happened at like the two second mark of the video. Howard was walking past Gard and Gard grabbed Howard’s arm to stop him from walking by so that he could say whatever he was saying. And you could then hear Howard telling him repeatedly not to touch him. I honestly don’t see how people are missing that. It was about as clear as the slunch (slap/punch) that Howard threw at the assistant.


When he briefly puts his hand on Howard's elbow to slow him down so he can talk to him?
Yeah that's not what I call "grabbing and yanking him". That was a poor decision given how heated Howard was, but it wasn't much either.
Like I said, both guys were obviously worked up and in a heated atmosphere and so I think things got escalated quickly and both could have handled it better, but honestly noting in that video is even close to this-guy-should-be-fired bad, until Howard puts his hand into another man's face in an obviously hostile and aggressive manner.
That's it.
Not sure we need to treat it like the Zapruder film. We can look at still frames and zoom-ins and slow-motion replays, but none of that is going to justify what Howard did.
If you just watch the film you can see that he inititates the interaction by addressing the other coach, he gets very heated very quickly, and, eventually, he takes a shot at a third guy when at no point does it appear that anyone is trying to harm him in any way.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.
I'm willing to wait to see if the assistant coach said something crazy like dropped a racial slur or something, but outside of that it seems obvious that Howard just went way over the line and stressing other stuff honestly just seems liike deflecting (whataboutism, to be exact) to me.
The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#124 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:49 am

The way I saw it Gard instigated it... the way he grabbed Howard was the way a parent grabs a child. Not a good look.. trying to reprimand Howard for saying "I'll remember that". He baited him and then backed away.. something about that guy gives me bad vibes.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#125 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:50 am

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
Yeah I'm trying to see where the other coach "grabs him and yanks him" and I don't see that at all. I do agree he stepped in front of him.
Howard did address the coach first, and then the other coach stepped in front of him to reply. He did get close to him. I don't see him "yanking him." I do see Howard waving his finger at the other coach as well. Both seem kind of belligerent, but it's also a loud and heated atmosphere.
Honestly I think if it was left at that confrontation, you would just chalk it up as both guys were heated, it was an intense conference rivalry game, and sports get emotional sometimes. We've all been there and I think most would be inclined to let it go on both sides.
But what escalated the situation to a dangerous and truly unsportsmanlike situation was Howard putting hands on the other guy in an unmistakeably hostile manner. That was a leap over the line of what's acceptable, so in that sense, it was pretty one sided.
Howard is the reason this situation got out of control, and he put his entire team in a bad situation.
That's just poor leadership. He might be a great Xs and Os guy for all I know, but head coach is at its core a leadership position.

It happened at like the two second mark of the video. Howard was walking past Gard and Gard grabbed Howard’s arm to stop him from walking by so that he could say whatever he was saying. And you could then hear Howard telling him repeatedly not to touch him. I honestly don’t see how people are missing that. It was about as clear as the slunch (slap/punch) that Howard threw at the assistant.


When he briefly puts his hand on Howard's elbow to slow him down so he can talk to him?
Yeah that's not what I call "grabbing and yanking him". That was a poor decision given how heated Howard was, but it wasn't much either.
Like I said, both guys were obviously worked up and in a heated atmosphere and so I think things got escalated quickly and both could have handled it better, but honestly noting in that video is even close to this-guy-should-be-fired bad, until Howard puts his hand into another man's face in an obviously hostile and aggressive manner.
That's it.
Not sure we need to treat it like the Zapruder film. We can look at still frames and zoom-ins and slow-motion replays, but none of that is going to justify what Howard did.
If you just watch the film you can see that he inititates the interaction by addressing the other coach, he gets very heated very quickly, and, eventually, he takes a shot at a third guy when at no point does it appear that anyone is trying to harm him in any way.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.
I'm willing to wait to see if the assistant coach said something crazy like dropped a racial slur or something, but outside of that it seems obvious that Howard just went way over the line and stressing other stuff honestly just seems liike deflecting (whataboutism, to be exact) to me.
The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.


He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#126 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:54 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.

The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.


Yes to the first part.

Meh to the second part. Gard chose the interaction by not walking away, that is literally what Howard is doing. Gard could have not got in his path (Howard didn’t get in his). Gard could have not grabbed him. Gard could have stopped jawing. There a lots of lots of opportunities for both sides here.

The assistant that comes in hot is as much to blame as the others. Howard didn’t reach at Gard, he reached at that dude.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#127 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:56 am

Regardless, Howard has no emotional control so he's probably best suited for a different line of work.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#128 » by CIN-C-STAR » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:56 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
Betta Bulleavit wrote:It happened at like the two second mark of the video. Howard was walking past Gard and Gard grabbed Howard’s arm to stop him from walking by so that he could say whatever he was saying. And you could then hear Howard telling him repeatedly not to touch him. I honestly don’t see how people are missing that. It was about as clear as the slunch (slap/punch) that Howard threw at the assistant.


When he briefly puts his hand on Howard's elbow to slow him down so he can talk to him?
Yeah that's not what I call "grabbing and yanking him". That was a poor decision given how heated Howard was, but it wasn't much either.
Like I said, both guys were obviously worked up and in a heated atmosphere and so I think things got escalated quickly and both could have handled it better, but honestly noting in that video is even close to this-guy-should-be-fired bad, until Howard puts his hand into another man's face in an obviously hostile and aggressive manner.
That's it.
Not sure we need to treat it like the Zapruder film. We can look at still frames and zoom-ins and slow-motion replays, but none of that is going to justify what Howard did.
If you just watch the film you can see that he inititates the interaction by addressing the other coach, he gets very heated very quickly, and, eventually, he takes a shot at a third guy when at no point does it appear that anyone is trying to harm him in any way.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.
I'm willing to wait to see if the assistant coach said something crazy like dropped a racial slur or something, but outside of that it seems obvious that Howard just went way over the line and stressing other stuff honestly just seems liike deflecting (whataboutism, to be exact) to me.
The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.


He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.


I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#129 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:57 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
When he briefly puts his hand on Howard's elbow to slow him down so he can talk to him?
Yeah that's not what I call "grabbing and yanking him". That was a poor decision given how heated Howard was, but it wasn't much either.
Like I said, both guys were obviously worked up and in a heated atmosphere and so I think things got escalated quickly and both could have handled it better, but honestly noting in that video is even close to this-guy-should-be-fired bad, until Howard puts his hand into another man's face in an obviously hostile and aggressive manner.
That's it.
Not sure we need to treat it like the Zapruder film. We can look at still frames and zoom-ins and slow-motion replays, but none of that is going to justify what Howard did.
If you just watch the film you can see that he inititates the interaction by addressing the other coach, he gets very heated very quickly, and, eventually, he takes a shot at a third guy when at no point does it appear that anyone is trying to harm him in any way.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.
I'm willing to wait to see if the assistant coach said something crazy like dropped a racial slur or something, but outside of that it seems obvious that Howard just went way over the line and stressing other stuff honestly just seems liike deflecting (whataboutism, to be exact) to me.
The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.


He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.


I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.


Howard didn't want to talk to him though. So he shouldn't be physically forced to. Either way.. both these guys but Howard for sure will be in another line of work sooner or later.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#130 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:59 am

Everyone is talking about suspensions.. I laugh.. Howard will be fired tomorrow. Mark it.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#131 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:59 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
When he briefly puts his hand on Howard's elbow to slow him down so he can talk to him?
Yeah that's not what I call "grabbing and yanking him". That was a poor decision given how heated Howard was, but it wasn't much either.
Like I said, both guys were obviously worked up and in a heated atmosphere and so I think things got escalated quickly and both could have handled it better, but honestly noting in that video is even close to this-guy-should-be-fired bad, until Howard puts his hand into another man's face in an obviously hostile and aggressive manner.
That's it.
Not sure we need to treat it like the Zapruder film. We can look at still frames and zoom-ins and slow-motion replays, but none of that is going to justify what Howard did.
If you just watch the film you can see that he inititates the interaction by addressing the other coach, he gets very heated very quickly, and, eventually, he takes a shot at a third guy when at no point does it appear that anyone is trying to harm him in any way.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.
I'm willing to wait to see if the assistant coach said something crazy like dropped a racial slur or something, but outside of that it seems obvious that Howard just went way over the line and stressing other stuff honestly just seems liike deflecting (whataboutism, to be exact) to me.
The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.


He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.


I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.

He grabbed him like he was a child and stood in his path mouthing. You say Howard could have walked away…yeah, he’d have to turn around and go backwards to do that. Gard was in his path, not Howard in his. Gard is the one supposed to walk off here.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#132 » by CIN-C-STAR » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:00 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.


I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.


Howard didn't want to talk to him though. So he shouldn't be physically forced to. Either way.. both these guys but Howard for sure will be in another line of work sooner or later.


He literally started the conversation.
"I'm going to remember that."
If you engage someone in conversation don't be surprised or upset when they also want to say something :lol:
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#133 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:00 am

SNPA wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.


I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.

He grabbed him like he was a child and stood in his path mouthing. You say Howard could have walked away…yeah, he’d have to turn around and go backwards to do that. Gard was in his path, not Howard in his. Gard is the one supposed to walk off here.


It sounded like Gard said funk a few times. I don't like the looks of that guy.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#134 » by SNPA » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:01 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.


Howard didn't want to talk to him though. So he shouldn't be physically forced to. Either way.. both these guys but Howard for sure will be in another line of work sooner or later.


He literally started the conversation.
"I'm going to remember that."
If you engage someone in conversation don't be surprised or upset when they also want to say something :lol:

Words and hands are different things.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#135 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:02 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.


Howard didn't want to talk to him though. So he shouldn't be physically forced to. Either way.. both these guys but Howard for sure will be in another line of work sooner or later.


He literally started the conversation.
"I'm going to remember that."
If you engage someone in conversation don't be surprised or upset when they also want to say something :lol:


There wasn't any engagement of conversation because Howard was trying to walk by him.. he just wanted to say what he said and keep walking. He wasn't stopping to have a conversation.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#136 » by CIN-C-STAR » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:13 am

SNPA wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
He pushed his right arm back to turn Howard to him.


I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.

He grabbed him like he was a child and stood in his path mouthing. You say Howard could have walked away…yeah, he’d have to turn around and go backwards to do that. Gard was in his path, not Howard in his. Gard is the one supposed to walk off here.


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Go watch seconds 4 and 5 of that video, when Howard has a handful of Gard's sweater balled up in his fist.
And then yells in his face and points his finger in his chest and face for the rest of the video before they are separated.
Howard at no point made any reasonable attempt to walk away once Gard stopped him. Had he done so, I'm certain he could have done so without issue.
Yes Gard stopped him initially because that's what you do when you want to talk to someone and feel you have something important to say and they are walking away and you're about to lose your chance to talk to them. You stop them, so you can talk to them.
Howard immediately responded with prolonged and over-the-top hostility.
You guys equating Gard stopping Howard to talk to him with Howard balling up anther man's shirt in his fist and then hitting someone in the face is absurd.
Acting like Howard was being held hostage after a vicious assault from the other coach or something :lol:
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#137 » by ROballer » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:19 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:
SNPA wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
I mean if he was trying to talk to him, which is what he said he was doing, turning him toward you isn't that crazy. Grabbing someone's elbow isn't an uncommon way to get their attention.
It certainly didn't look like he was trying to fight him or anything like that to me.
It didn't look like he was doing anything that Howard couldn't have easily walked away from tbh.
If he felt disrespected OK fine but you're on the job here, not just out on the town. You can't just start a fight at work because you felt someone disrespected you in some minor way, or at least I can't.

He grabbed him like he was a child and stood in his path mouthing. You say Howard could have walked away…yeah, he’d have to turn around and go backwards to do that. Gard was in his path, not Howard in his. Gard is the one supposed to walk off here.


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Go watch seconds 4 and 5 of that video, when Howard has a handful of Gard's sweater balled up in his fist.
And then yells in his face and points his finger in his chest and face for the rest of the video before they are separated.
Howard at no point made any reasonable attempt to walk away once Gard stopped him. Had he done so, I'm certain he could have done so without issue.
Yes Gard stopped him initially because that's what you do when you want to talk to someone and feel you have something important to say and they are walking away and you're about to lose your chance to talk to them. You stop them, so you can talk to them.
Howard immediately responded with prolonged and over-the-top hostility.
You guys equating Gard stopping Howard to talk to him with Howard balling up anther man's shirt in his fist and then hitting someone in the face is absurd.
Acting like Howard was being held hostage after a vicious assault from the other coach or something :lol:


The excusers are quite comical at this point.

I think everybody knows why they are doing it but nobody wants to say it. Thread derailment and suspensions would follow.

There's no excuse for this, none. It should be a 100% landslide consensus opinion on the matter but somehow it isn't.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#138 » by CIN-C-STAR » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:21 am

SNPA wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Howard didn't want to talk to him though. So he shouldn't be physically forced to. Either way.. both these guys but Howard for sure will be in another line of work sooner or later.


He literally started the conversation.
"I'm going to remember that."
If you engage someone in conversation don't be surprised or upset when they also want to say something :lol:

Words and hands are different things.


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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#139 » by BigO » Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:43 am

SNPA wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:.
Could the Wisconsin coach have just walked off and not responded to Howard? Yes.
Does him not doing that mean it was OK to take a shot at his assistant's face? Not even a little bit.

The other guy didn't do anything that he couldn't have easily walked away from at any time, but he chose that interaction over and over and then took a cheap and stupid swing. Time to take resonsibility.


Yes to the first part.

Meh to the second part. Gard chose the interaction by not walking away, that is literally what Howard is doing. Gard could have not got in his path (Howard didn’t get in his). Gard could have not grabbed him. Gard could have stopped jawing. There a lots of lots of opportunities for both sides here.

The assistant that comes in hot is as much to blame as the others. Howard didn’t reach at Gard, he reached at that dude.


Howard's attempted violent act and your rationalization of it makes it clear neither one of you should be leading young men. There is nothing that justifies Howard's actions and continued excuse making for it is a really bad look.
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Re: OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch" 

Post#140 » by HurricaneKid » Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:16 am

Michigan has starters in with 1:00 to go in an 18 pt game and are pressing the Wi walk-ons. Twice, they steal the ball before Wi gets it to half court and score.

With 15 seconds left Mi knocks the ball out of bounds. Wi has 4 seconds to get to half court. An official tells Gard that a timeout will reset the clock. Gard calls timeout and coaches up his walk ons. They get it to mid court and the game ends.

Howard is not in the line to shake hands. It is customary for the coach to lead the line. He finally joins in after all players go through the line.

Some of you defending Howard are delirious. The other coach wanting to explain an action doesn't justify assault. He is getting fired. And this is FOR CAUSE. Meaning this act will break his contract.

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