OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch"; Suspended for remainder of season

[MemphisX]

I'm sure he was provoked but obviously you can't resort to physical violence.

This is why a lot of people who have grown up in the social media age have not learned how to talk respectfully to other people. When a man provokes another man, physical violence is always a possible result.

When it comes to men and women, they always say abuse is abuse (physical, verbal or emotional). So grab another man and start berating him in his face, you might get mushed.

[dshearn]

The way I saw it Gard instigated it... the way he grabbed Howard was the way a parent grabs a child. Not a good look.. trying to reprimand Howard for saying "I'll remember that". He baited him and then backed away.. something about that guy gives me bad vibes.

I had the parent vib yeterday as well, but with the new video and the audio to me it is clear that Gard wanted to recover a relationship.

Howard said something to the effect "ill remember this"

Gard attempted to stop Howard from passing, and said " oh... Hey...."

I suspect that Gard intended to explain what happened and at least try to remove the idea it was personal of punitive, who knows maybe even apologize. I could see if that was not interrupted as going "oh hey man, my bad..."

When Howard said "dont touch me" then proceeded to grab Gard's shirt, Gard responded several times "you're just frustrated".

That is not baiting

It appears much closer to de-escalation

Gard likely thought they were personable enough that Gard could block Howard's path and touch him, he was clearly wrong and backed away. Nothing he said in this incident warranted his shirt being grabbed or someone being swatted at.

There could be other stuff out there that happened in private, and Gard could have been posturing for the Cameras, or Howard could need anger management therapy...i have no idea.

[vital_signs]

No Juwon Howard is not getting fired. He didn’t throw a punch. The head coach of the other team grabs his arm to stop him when he clearly didn’t want to talk. He had a right to be a little pissed. Then that assistant coach clearly was talking a ton of ****…

And he didn’t punch him. He swiped at him with an open hand. No he shouldn’t have touched the other coach but saying he punched the dude is clearly trying to create intent that doesn’t exist. A punch can kill someone. A swipe/slap like that is clearly sent to get someone’s attention that they are pushing it.

Howard should be suspended for a length of time. You have to not condone hitting another person, whether it’s player or coach. But no he didn’t try to hurt the man and no he absolutely will not be fired over this. Get off your soapbox if you are preaching that he should be. Save the fake outrage.

Since when did RealGM become a snowflake central zone

What do you think is going to happen when you are a fat white dude grabbing an arm of a 7 ft former NBA player while your fat white assistant coach talks crap to said former NBA player's face

You think any 7 foot tall guy is going to let two fat white dudes grab him and talk smack to his face without reacting - irrespective about how he felt slighted about the time out

2-3 game suspension max

1) That assistant used to play for the Badgers and had a brief stint overseas so I don't think he's some fat dude that can't hold his own.
2) What does being white have to do with it?

[Synciere]

Terrible look for Howard but based on his Final Four and recruiting this is nowhere near a fireable offense. 5-10 game suspension seems more likely.

[gp2015]

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in slomo it looks like juwan just really likes the guy and wants to congratulate him on job well done.

There was a huge fly on his head, he was doing him a favour.

[The Moose]

Idiotic behaviour from Howard acting like an angry teenage boy. Probably not the best idea to be coaching young men when you still have the mentality of a boy.

Probably a suspension however, not a firing

[Ruzious]

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It wasn't a love tap; that's for sure. This is the 2nd time Juwan's lost it just after the game's over - last time was against Turgeon - who's as mild-mannered as they come (and went, in his case). This time he got physical. Both could have incited riots. College coaches aren't just coaches - they're teachers. He's teaching the wrong things.

[Betta Bulleavit]

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It wasn't a love tap; that's for sure. This is the 2nd time Juwan's lost it just after the game's over - last time was against Turgeon - who's as mild-mannered as they come (and went, in his case). This time he got physical. Both could have incited riots. College coaches aren't just coaches - they're teachers. He's teaching the wrong things.

I agree with this 100%. While I have argued that Gard shared some level of responsibility in this, the bottom line is that Howard doesn’t seem to understand that the head Football and Basketball coaches at these blue chip institutions are far and away the most influential figures on these campuses. So they can’t afford to think and act like players and students. They are leaders. And Howard didn’t demonstrate good leadership in any capacity yesterday.

[Michael Jackson]

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in slomo it looks like juwan just really likes the guy and wants to congratulate him on job well done.

There was a huge fly on his head, he was doing him a favour.

It was that Mike Pence fly. Still causing havoc.

[BigO]

Yes to the first part.

Meh to the second part. Gard chose the interaction by not walking away, that is literally what Howard is doing. Gard could have not got in his path (Howard didn’t get in his). Gard could have not grabbed him. Gard could have stopped jawing. There a lots of lots of opportunities for both sides here.

The assistant that comes in hot is as much to blame as the others. Howard didn’t reach at Gard, he reached at that dude.

Howard's attempted violent act and your rationalization of it makes it clear neither one of you should be leading young men. There is nothing that justifies Howard's actions and continued excuse making for it is a really bad look.

Lol.

Grey. Or gray. Pick one. The world comes in this color.

Howard was over the top and he was the spark that lit this off. I haven’t said anything else, if you bother to read and grasp nuance. He could definitely lose his job over it, zero sweat off my back.

But go out on the street and grab the next guy walking by you looking heated and block his path and mouth at him. See what happens. There’s blame all around. You 100%’er are the ones looking silly, like we can’t see who grabbed who first or who blocked the other guys path or mouthed off or had an assistant come in hot making it all worse. Eyes….got’em.

The "both sides are wrong" crowd doesn't understand that in the real world none of what Gard or other Badgers did is relevant. None of it. You swing at a guy while on the job, you're fired, even if it's the first offense. You have a really bad understanding of what should happen when doing your job.

But I realize it's bball and millionaires rarely get fired.

[jc23]

Kendrick Perkins spent his entire morning defending Howard due to what past coaches have done; yes lets all apply that philosophy to life smh.

[Hsker4Life]

I'm sure he was provoked but obviously you can't resort to physical violence.

This is why a lot of people who have grown up in the social media age have not learned how to talk respectfully to other people. When a man provokes another man, physical violence is always a possible result.

When it comes to men and women, they always say abuse is abuse (physical, verbal or emotional). So grab another man and start berating him in his face, you might get mushed.

But Juwan didn't hit the guy who "grabbed" him. He hit someone else.

[Spud2nique]

Was kind of hoping Howard knocked the dude out. Next time don’t even hold back, floor the dude.

[CIN-C-STAR]

All fine. But my point is there are two other dummies here that contributed.

The assistant has a sizable amount of blame. Howard and Gard had separated, it took him coming in clearing space and mouthing before Howard reached.

Are you related to Juwan?

Yes.

And I’m a big Michigan fan. And hate Gard. My life is all about east coast college basketball. I’m totally biased here.

This is the first comment you've made in this thread that makes sense tbh

[JN61]

I saw media apologists like Stephen R. Smith and Perkins have slight defending stance on this clown how another coach should never have called timeout. And how other coach was in actually in fault. Shameful.

[Hsker4Life]

I saw media apologists like Stephen R. Smith and Perkins have slight defending stance on this clown how another coach should never have called timeout. And how other coach was in actually in fault. Shameful.

We've seen this mantra before:

"She shouldn't have been wearing that skirt!"

[DrCoach]

1. Howard is a jackass.
2. Yes, which is why Michigan should have just let Wisconsin dribble out the clock like normal people instead of running a full court press with their starters against players who never play.

You dont grab another man.

Howard certainly doesn't act like a man.

He works and takes care of his family. Thats a man in my book

[Betta Bulleavit]

I saw media apologists like Stephen R. Smith and Perkins have slight defending stance on this clown how another coach should never have called timeout. And how other coach was in actually in fault. Shameful.

We've seen this mantra before:

"She shouldn't have been wearing that skirt!"

I think the error here is people still trying to make this about the press or the timeout. That’s just basketball and poor sportsmanship as far as I’m concerned. You call it out and you move on. What happened after the fact wasn’t basketball related. It was leadership related. Howard deserves a suspension (5 games or so) and Gard needs a very pointed “talking to” about his role in this and how his actions helped escalate the situation.

[DaddyCool19]

I saw media apologists like Stephen R. Smith and Perkins have slight defending stance on this clown how another coach should never have called timeout. And how other coach was in actually in fault. Shameful.

I wonder what they think about Juwan doing the same thing. And not just once but twice

[Johnny Bball]

The time out is pure bush league. So is the, I dunno what it was, head massage, but at the end of the day both are nothing that are going to matter in a day.