OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch"; Suspended for remainder of season

[Ryoga Hibiki]

The racism that's around in basketball is really unbearable.
And I don't mean against black people, now, you can't legitimately play the race card on this.

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[CIN-C-STAR]

The time out is pure bush league. So is the, I dunno what it was, head massage, but at the end of the day both are nothing that are going to matter in a day.

What is so Bush League about a coach using his timeouts?
It's not like he used it to draw up a play to run up the score.
I myself have called timeouts late in games that weren't close, to make substitutions or just to remind my team that we dont need to shoot in that situation.
I honestly think Howard should just focus on coaching his own team and worry less about how Gard is coaching his. Running up the score is unsportsmanlike for sure but I've honestly never heard of this strict prohibition against using timeouts.
I think Howard was just frustrated about losing tbh. Even if you disagree with the timeout there, it hardly justifies acting unprofessional, much less acting like a maniac by balling up a guy's shirt in your fist and then later taking a shot at another guy.
It's a freaking timeout people. Even running up the score wouldn't have justified Howard's actions, and people keep talking about a timeout?!!?
Holy false equivalency Batman!!!

[Ruzious]

You dont grab another man.

Howard certainly doesn't act like a man.

He works and takes care of his family. Thats a man in my book

I sure hope he can take care of his family since he had a $100 million contract playing in the NBA.

[Johnny Bball]

The time out is pure bush league. So is the, I dunno what it was, head massage, but at the end of the day both are nothing that are going to matter in a day.

What is so Bush League about a coach using his timeouts?
It's not like he used it to draw up a play to run up the score.
I myself have called timeouts late in games that weren't close, to make substitutions or just to remind my team that we dont need to shoot in that situation.
I honestly think Howard should just focus on coaching his own team and worry less about how Gard is coaching his. Running up the score is unsportsmanlike for sure but I've honestly never heard of this strict prohibition against using timeouts.
I think Howard was just frustrated about losing tbh. Even if you disagree with the timeout there, it hardly justifies acting unprofessional, much less acting like a maniac by balling up a guy's shirt in your fist and then later taking a shot at another guy.
It's a freaking timeout people. Even running up the score wouldn't have justified Howard's actions, and people keep talking about a timeout?!!?
Holy false equivalency Batman!!!

His starters were not on the floor.

It's pure bush league. In blowouts, you don't run up the score in the last minute and you don't drag it out with unnecessary time outs if you have any class. Who cares if they turned it over in a blowout.

[Duke4life831]

The time out is pure bush league. So is the, I dunno what it was, head massage, but at the end of the day both are nothing that are going to matter in a day.

What is so Bush League about a coach using his timeouts?
It's not like he used it to draw up a play to run up the score.
I myself have called timeouts late in games that weren't close, to make substitutions or just to remind my team that we dont need to shoot in that situation.
I honestly think Howard should just focus on coaching his own team and worry less about how Gard is coaching his. Running up the score is unsportsmanlike for sure but I've honestly never heard of this strict prohibition against using timeouts.
I think Howard was just frustrated about losing tbh. Even if you disagree with the timeout there, it hardly justifies acting unprofessional, much less acting like a maniac by balling up a guy's shirt in your fist and then later taking a shot at another guy.
It's a freaking timeout people. Even running up the score wouldn't have justified Howard's actions, and people keep talking about a timeout?!!?
Holy false equivalency Batman!!!

His starters were not on the floor.

It's pure bush league. In blowouts, you don't run up the score in the last minute and you don't drag it out with unnecessary time outs if you have any class. Who cares if they turned it over in a blowout.

Michigan starters were most definitely on the floor. DeVante Jones just stole the ball (while playing press) and got a layup. Jones is a starter. Houstan was also still out on the floor, Houstan is a starter.

[CIN-C-STAR]

The time out is pure bush league. So is the, I dunno what it was, head massage, but at the end of the day both are nothing that are going to matter in a day.

What is so Bush League about a coach using his timeouts?
It's not like he used it to draw up a play to run up the score.
I myself have called timeouts late in games that weren't close, to make substitutions or just to remind my team that we dont need to shoot in that situation.
I honestly think Howard should just focus on coaching his own team and worry less about how Gard is coaching his. Running up the score is unsportsmanlike for sure but I've honestly never heard of this strict prohibition against using timeouts.
I think Howard was just frustrated about losing tbh. Even if you disagree with the timeout there, it hardly justifies acting unprofessional, much less acting like a maniac by balling up a guy's shirt in your fist and then later taking a shot at another guy.
It's a freaking timeout people. Even running up the score wouldn't have justified Howard's actions, and people keep talking about a timeout?!!?
Holy false equivalency Batman!!!

His starters were not on the floor.

It's pure bush league. In blowouts, you don't run up the score in the last minute and you don't drag it out with unnecessary time outs if you have any class. Who cares if they turned it over in a blowout.

Wisconsin wanted to dribble the clock out though but were unable to because Howard left his starters in to press full court.
So who was being Bush League again?

[vital_signs]

The time out is pure bush league. So is the, I dunno what it was, head massage, but at the end of the day both are nothing that are going to matter in a day.

What is so Bush League about a coach using his timeouts?
It's not like he used it to draw up a play to run up the score.
I myself have called timeouts late in games that weren't close, to make substitutions or just to remind my team that we dont need to shoot in that situation.
I honestly think Howard should just focus on coaching his own team and worry less about how Gard is coaching his. Running up the score is unsportsmanlike for sure but I've honestly never heard of this strict prohibition against using timeouts.
I think Howard was just frustrated about losing tbh. Even if you disagree with the timeout there, it hardly justifies acting unprofessional, much less acting like a maniac by balling up a guy's shirt in your fist and then later taking a shot at another guy.
It's a freaking timeout people. Even running up the score wouldn't have justified Howard's actions, and people keep talking about a timeout?!!?
Holy false equivalency Batman!!!

His starters were not on the floor.

It's pure bush league. In blowouts, you don't run up the score in the last minute and you don't drag it out with unnecessary time outs if you have any class. Who cares if they turned it over in a blowout.

His starters were on the floor and the timeout reset the clock in terms of getting the ball over halfcourt. If Howard wants to keep playing why can't Gard use it as a learning experience for the end his bench?

[CobraCommander]

Honestly should he survive this? They should fire any coach that hits or threatens to hit a fan or opponent. Howard is in a visible highly coveted leadership positions at an elite higher educational institution. You can’t slap someone out of frustration over losing a game or etiquette while in a role responsible for teaching. Howard has to go

I agree to be honest. I like Howard a lot but this was uncalled for, over the top and embarrassing on his part.

His presser afterwards I also think was wrong. He doesn’t care and was just defending his actions.

I don’t see how Howard could expect to keep his job at Michigan and discipline the team going forward on sportsmanship and reckless behavior. If he losses this job and gets another coaching gig he can at least say, keep your cool and don’t be like me at Michigan because it cost me my job...use it as a teaching moment. If he keeps his job he will be reinforcing something else that we DONT want on the court...don’t make me spell it out to you guys

I hate to respond to this thread again but damn - after listening to espn and reading some the post here...I’m actually disappointed in humanity -it’s racial..like the whole human race appears to suck -

The fact that Howard is being defended anywhere on espn or even REALGM is ludicrous. It’s actually insane that a guy that told the Maryland coach “ILL KILL YOU” after a a game last year was still employed by Michigan to slap a man and incite a brawl this year. Especially when Howard in the immediate press conference last year was “I’m from the south side”.

Ok let’s think about what Howard is saying by saying I’m from the south side and the ramifications of that statement-

Is he saying “I’m from the south side and we know how to properly manage interpersonal conflict”...or is he saying “I’m from the south side and conflict with him can lead to death?”. Howard said I’ll kill you and said I’m from the south side...here are some details on what time means when someone invokes their hood during conflict
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Get mad at me if you want...it’s true _. If someone said I’m from O block or I’m a GD or BD and we were arguing in Chicago - I would know exactly what I was being threatened with. ESPN and every person on TV pretending to not know what Howard meant last year when he said that to the Maryland coach- shame on you - cause you condoned this guys THUG behavior and now what did you expect a dude from the south side to do when someone impedes his progress? He from the south side...he told you he from the south side...now what?

The reason I’m pissed off at all these people on tv and on REALGM defending or asking for a light punishment for Howard is because Howard rich...Howard gonna be fine... no matter what. But when you condone his behavior or advocate giving him a 2 game suspension and the WHITE school or team looking for their NEXT coach, guess who they don’t hire? Yep...the kid from the south side. Cause he might threaten to Kill someone or slap someone cause he from the “south side”.

With great power comes great responsibility and Howard messed up and everyone trying to give him a pass are just as bad as people that want cops to have qualified immunity- cops want it cause they cops and it’s a hard job and it seems people want Howard to have it because he black and getting a coaching job is hard if you black...both true but the reality is, when you get that privilege you have hold yourself to the highest standard possible because other people are depending you- Howard is indeed impeding progress- fire his ass ASAP

I know I’ll get banned for this rant but what ever-

[gipper08]

Did Juwan ever get in a fight or close his whole time in the NBA?

[azcatz11]

Guys - this is COLLEGE basketball. Not the NBA. Coaches call TO's for all different reasons and a lot of it is teaching the players.

Saying it's bush league b/c they're up by a lot is ridiculous. It's quite shocking the posters who are defending Howard here...really sad.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I still can't believe he was allowed to do the presser. Like, he should have been on immediately placed on review by UM and they should have had an assistant do the press obligations while they figured out what happened. Seems like really bad PR to have a coach who hit another coach to go on as if nothing happened. It really burned them PR-wise with the comments he made.

[Johnny Bball]

What is so Bush League about a coach using his timeouts?
It's not like he used it to draw up a play to run up the score.
I myself have called timeouts late in games that weren't close, to make substitutions or just to remind my team that we dont need to shoot in that situation.
I honestly think Howard should just focus on coaching his own team and worry less about how Gard is coaching his. Running up the score is unsportsmanlike for sure but I've honestly never heard of this strict prohibition against using timeouts.
I think Howard was just frustrated about losing tbh. Even if you disagree with the timeout there, it hardly justifies acting unprofessional, much less acting like a maniac by balling up a guy's shirt in your fist and then later taking a shot at another guy.
It's a freaking timeout people. Even running up the score wouldn't have justified Howard's actions, and people keep talking about a timeout?!!?
Holy false equivalency Batman!!!

His starters were not on the floor.

It's pure bush league. In blowouts, you don't run up the score in the last minute and you don't drag it out with unnecessary time outs if you have any class. Who cares if they turned it over in a blowout.

Michigan starters were most definitely on the floor. DeVante Jones just stole the ball (while playing press) and got a layup. Jones is a starter. Houstan was also still out on the floor, Houstan is a starter.

Uh, Wisconsin.... the team that called the timeout????!!!

[Betta Bulleavit]

I agree to be honest. I like Howard a lot but this was uncalled for, over the top and embarrassing on his part.

His presser afterwards I also think was wrong. He doesn’t care and was just defending his actions.

I don’t see how Howard could expect to keep his job at Michigan and discipline the team going forward on sportsmanship and reckless behavior. If he losses this job and gets another coaching gig he can at least say, keep your cool and don’t be like me at Michigan because it cost me my job...use it as a teaching moment. If he keeps his job he will be reinforcing something else that we DONT want on the court...don’t make me spell it out to you guys

I hate to respond to this thread again but damn - after listening to espn and reading some the post here...I’m actually disappointed in humanity -it’s racial..like the whole human race appears to suck -

The fact that Howard is being defended anywhere on espn or even REALGM is ludicrous. It’s actually insane that a guy that told the Maryland coach “ILL KILL YOU” after a a game last year was still employed by Michigan to slap a man and incite a brawl this year. Especially when Howard in the immediate press conference last year was “I’m from the south side”.

Ok let’s think about what Howard is saying by saying I’m from the south side and the ramifications of that statement-

Is he saying “I’m from the south side and we know how to properly manage interpersonal conflict”...or is he saying “I’m from the south side and conflict with him can lead to death?”. Howard said I’ll kill you and said I’m from the south side...here are some details on what time means when someone invokes their hood during conflict
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Get mad at me if you want...it’s true _. If someone said I’m from O block or I’m a GD or BD and we were arguing in Chicago - I would know exactly what I was being threatened with. ESPN and every person on TV pretending to not know what Howard meant last year when he said that to the Maryland coach- shame on you - cause you condoned this guys THUG behavior and now what did you expect a dude from the south side to do when someone impedes his progress? He from the south side...he told you he from the south side...now what?

The reason I’m pissed off at all these people on tv and on REALGM defending or asking for a light punishment for Howard is because Howard rich...Howard gonna be fine... no matter what. But when you condone his behavior or advocate giving him a 2 game suspension and the WHITE school or team looking for their NEXT coach, guess who they don’t hire? Yep...the kid from the south side. Cause he might threaten to Kill someone or slap someone cause he from the “south side”.

With great power comes great responsibility and Howard messed up and everyone trying to give him a pass are just as bad as people that want cops to have qualified immunity- cops want it cause they cops and it’s a hard job and it seems people want Howard to have it because he black and getting a coaching job is hard if you black...both true but the reality is, when you get that privilege you have hold yourself to the highest standard possible because other people are depending you- Howard is indeed impeding progress- fire his ass ASAP

I know I’ll get banned for this rant but what ever-

So this is complicated. Because I tend to agree with a fair degree of what you’re saying but I also think you are going down a bit of a rabbit hole here. When some references where they are from, it’s basically a way of saying “I don’t play that ***” and is something that happens during moments of conflict all the time. I don’t like it, but it’s hardly an anomaly.

In addition, I don’t think that people are defending Howard’s actions as much as they are calling for the recognition that it took 2 here and most of the narrative yesterday was that it was all Howard. So what’s he being called? Less than an man, a thug, a lunatic, a maniac. You name it. Yet nobody wants to acknowledge that it was Gard (technically) that initiated first contact and thus, cause the first point of escalation. So then it puts some people in the mindset that maybe one guy is getting too much blame while the other is getting too little, which causes the defense. Not so much that those people condone Howard’s actions.

[SNPA]

Guys - this is COLLEGE basketball. Not the NBA. Coaches call TO's for all different reasons and a lot of it is teaching the players.

Saying it's bush league b/c they're up by a lot is ridiculous. It's quite shocking the posters who are defending Howard here...really sad.

Lol. It’s not that hard to figure out. The criticism here is that there are three dummies not just one. No one is praising Howard.

[CobraCommander]

I don’t see how Howard could expect to keep his job at Michigan and discipline the team going forward on sportsmanship and reckless behavior. If he losses this job and gets another coaching gig he can at least say, keep your cool and don’t be like me at Michigan because it cost me my job...use it as a teaching moment. If he keeps his job he will be reinforcing something else that we DONT want on the court...don’t make me spell it out to you guys

I hate to respond to this thread again but damn - after listening to espn and reading some the post here...I’m actually disappointed in humanity -it’s racial..like the whole human race appears to suck -

The fact that Howard is being defended anywhere on espn or even REALGM is ludicrous. It’s actually insane that a guy that told the Maryland coach “ILL KILL YOU” after a a game last year was still employed by Michigan to slap a man and incite a brawl this year. Especially when Howard in the immediate press conference last year was “I’m from the south side”.

Ok let’s think about what Howard is saying by saying I’m from the south side and the ramifications of that statement-

Is he saying “I’m from the south side and we know how to properly manage interpersonal conflict”...or is he saying “I’m from the south side and conflict with him can lead to death?”. Howard said I’ll kill you and said I’m from the south side...here are some details on what time means when someone invokes their hood during conflict
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Get mad at me if you want...it’s true _. If someone said I’m from O block or I’m a GD or BD and we were arguing in Chicago - I would know exactly what I was being threatened with. ESPN and every person on TV pretending to not know what Howard meant last year when he said that to the Maryland coach- shame on you - cause you condoned this guys THUG behavior and now what did you expect a dude from the south side to do when someone impedes his progress? He from the south side...he told you he from the south side...now what?

The reason I’m pissed off at all these people on tv and on REALGM defending or asking for a light punishment for Howard is because Howard rich...Howard gonna be fine... no matter what. But when you condone his behavior or advocate giving him a 2 game suspension and the WHITE school or team looking for their NEXT coach, guess who they don’t hire? Yep...the kid from the south side. Cause he might threaten to Kill someone or slap someone cause he from the “south side”.

With great power comes great responsibility and Howard messed up and everyone trying to give him a pass are just as bad as people that want cops to have qualified immunity- cops want it cause they cops and it’s a hard job and it seems people want Howard to have it because he black and getting a coaching job is hard if you black...both true but the reality is, when you get that privilege you have hold yourself to the highest standard possible because other people are depending you- Howard is indeed impeding progress- fire his ass ASAP

I know I’ll get banned for this rant but what ever-

So this is complicated. Because I tend to agree with a fair degree of what you’re saying but I also think you are going down a bit of a rabbit hole here. When some references where they are from, it’s basically a way of saying “I don’t play that ***” and is something that happens during moments of conflict all the time. I don’t like it, but it’s hardly an anomaly.

In addition, I don’t think that people are defending Howard’s actions as much as they are calling for the recognition that it took 2 here and most of the narrative yesterday was that it was all Howard. So what’s he being called? Less than an man, a thug, a lunatic, a maniac. You name it. Yet nobody wants to acknowledge that it was Gard (technically) that initiated first contact and thus, cause the first point of escalation. So then it puts some people in the mindset that maybe one guy is getting too much blame while the other is getting too little, which causes the defense. Not so much that those people condone Howard’s actions.

I assume you from Chicago...right? If someone tells you where they from after they tell you they will kill you...which is EXACT what Howard did last year to the Maryland coach and even backed it up in the press conference...it means exact what you AND I am saying. Howard is invoking chiraq to say we don’t play that **** and we will indeed kill you. I’m taking Howard at HIS word.

You can’t have it both ways...heat of the moment - then said it in press conference...and then slapped a guy next year.

Michigan should wait till Howard does something much worse so they can say “omg I can’t believe this happened” and pretend there were no warning signs. I mean it’s Michigan- it’s not like they want to be reputed as one of the top universities in the world or anything...

[DavidSterned]

Did Juwan ever get in a fight or close his whole time in the NBA?

Watch on YouTube

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Dear Juwan, '

Watch what happened to Wolverine alum, Rudy Tomjanovich, after he ran into a big man's punch.

Kermit Washington was MUCH MORE OF A MAN physicality wise...kinda like when Gar Heard had dudes Michael Animal Smith, and Gerard King, and one more PF starting ahead of you when the Bullets were not yet the Wizards IIRC.

I am curious if you felt threatened by those dudes? I doubt it. I bet you can scrap and YOU AREou USUALLY A NICE GUY.

Me?

Let my kids tell the story of the time the 16 year old Samoan kid beat up the captain's 10 yr old son in military housing. All resolved PEACEFULLY. My son Kendall Thomas is now 21 and he lives in Columbus, GA. I'm only 5'8.5".

MY SUGGESTION to Coach Howard; get you an old guy like Conor McGregor had sitting next to him at the bar. The dude he hauled of and whacked upside the head. funny as all get out to me!

That old dude...is he OG or what? I bet he knew or knows Conor well...

Juwan was protecting his players AND

being a bully

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I didn't see the game but I KNOW THE BADGERS HEAD COACH does douche moves (Terp fan)

I can sort of understand Juwan being miffed; but what restraint did Howard show when big Hunter Dickinson destroyed the Terps and then started woofing

Howard wanted to fight Mark Turgeon but I bet he won't run up on Danny Manning the same way

His own player claims the Terps didn't recruit him. Balderdash.

I'm out before I say anything more than this joke: Try and find a little person before each game. You and Charles can practice tossing men you might pick on, not anybody your own size.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I hate to respond to this thread again but damn - after listening to espn and reading some the post here...I’m actually disappointed in humanity -it’s racial..like the whole human race appears to suck -

The fact that Howard is being defended anywhere on espn or even REALGM is ludicrous. It’s actually insane that a guy that told the Maryland coach “ILL KILL YOU” after a a game last year was still employed by Michigan to slap a man and incite a brawl this year. Especially when Howard in the immediate press conference last year was “I’m from the south side”.

Ok let’s think about what Howard is saying by saying I’m from the south side and the ramifications of that statement-

Is he saying “I’m from the south side and we know how to properly manage interpersonal conflict”...or is he saying “I’m from the south side and conflict with him can lead to death?”. Howard said I’ll kill you and said I’m from the south side...here are some details on what time means when someone invokes their hood during conflict
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Get mad at me if you want...it’s true _. If someone said I’m from O block or I’m a GD or BD and we were arguing in Chicago - I would know exactly what I was being threatened with. ESPN and every person on TV pretending to not know what Howard meant last year when he said that to the Maryland coach- shame on you - cause you condoned this guys THUG behavior and now what did you expect a dude from the south side to do when someone impedes his progress? He from the south side...he told you he from the south side...now what?

The reason I’m pissed off at all these people on tv and on REALGM defending or asking for a light punishment for Howard is because Howard rich...Howard gonna be fine... no matter what. But when you condone his behavior or advocate giving him a 2 game suspension and the WHITE school or team looking for their NEXT coach, guess who they don’t hire? Yep...the kid from the south side. Cause he might threaten to Kill someone or slap someone cause he from the “south side”.

With great power comes great responsibility and Howard messed up and everyone trying to give him a pass are just as bad as people that want cops to have qualified immunity- cops want it cause they cops and it’s a hard job and it seems people want Howard to have it because he black and getting a coaching job is hard if you black...both true but the reality is, when you get that privilege you have hold yourself to the highest standard possible because other people are depending you- Howard is indeed impeding progress- fire his ass ASAP

I know I’ll get banned for this rant but what ever-

So this is complicated. Because I tend to agree with a fair degree of what you’re saying but I also think you are going down a bit of a rabbit hole here. When some references where they are from, it’s basically a way of saying “I don’t play that ***” and is something that happens during moments of conflict all the time. I don’t like it, but it’s hardly an anomaly.

In addition, I don’t think that people are defending Howard’s actions as much as they are calling for the recognition that it took 2 here and most of the narrative yesterday was that it was all Howard. So what’s he being called? Less than an man, a thug, a lunatic, a maniac. You name it. Yet nobody wants to acknowledge that it was Gard (technically) that initiated first contact and thus, cause the first point of escalation. So then it puts some people in the mindset that maybe one guy is getting too much blame while the other is getting too little, which causes the defense. Not so much that those people condone Howard’s actions.

I assume you from Chicago...right? If someone tells you where they from after they tell you they will kill you...which is EXACT what Howard did last year to the Maryland coach and even backed it up in the press conference...it means exact what you AND I am saying. Howard is invoking chiraq to say we don’t play that **** and we will indeed kill you. I’m taking Howard at HIS word.

You can’t have it both ways...heat of the moment - then said it in press conference...and then slapped a guy next year.

Michigan should wait till Howard does something much worse so they can say “omg I can’t believe this happened” and pretend there were no warning signs. I mean it’s Michigan- it’s not like they want to be reputed as one of the top universities in the world or anything...

I am in fact from Chicago and can’t tell you how many people I know that have said such things but wouldn’t hurt a freaking fly. It’s tough talk man. And again, I’m not a fan of it because tough talk often leads to stupid actions. But I don’t get the sense from Howard that he wants to hurt anybody. I just think that he’s a dude that needs to grow up and understand that he can’t be this way and still expect to lead young men. So when I say you may be going down a bit of a rabbit hole, it’s not that I disagree with the premise of what you are saying. I just don’t think it automatically constitutes Howard being a thug or a killer. Feel me??

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

My grandmother and uncle were from Chicago. I have a living aunt in chicago. My dad the Vietnam vet scolded me the time we were walking through Southside. Him, in a suit strutting like George Jefferson.

Me? I wanted to be strapped. Something like 1989, I think I was still AD USAF

"Kenneth, cowards need guns"

***** wut???