OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch"; Suspended for remainder of season

[Betta Bulleavit]

nothing significant will happen to Howard. he's politically untouchable right now. different standards. already happened once and nothing happened. have to treat these delicate babies with the kid gloves or get canceled

Personally, I resent that. You’re race baiting and I think you should knock it off as it’s completely unnecessary and not particularly relevant to this topic.

No one thought “race” but you.

Just take a look at his/her response to my post and then tell me that he/she wasn’t eluding to that…

[GeorgeSears]

Juwan obviously should've shown more restraint than he did but that coach isn't blameless either. You can't just put your hands on somebody. He should've read Juwan's body language and interpreted that he clearly didn't want to shake hands and then move one. Don't grab a hold on Juwan's forearm and expect him not to retaliate.

Both should get suspensions, Juwan 2 games, the coach 1 game and then leave it be.

[KembaWalker]

Personally, I resent that. You’re race baiting and I think you should knock it off as it’s completely unnecessary and not particularly relevant to this topic.

No one thought “race” but you.

Just take a look at his/her response to my post and then tell me that he/she wasn’t eluding to that…

Juwan Howard threatened to kill Mark Turgeon over a basketball game and faced no repercussions. That's not right.

[Betta Bulleavit]

No one thought “race” but you.

Just take a look at his/her response to my post and then tell me that he/she wasn’t eluding to that…

Juwan Howard threatened to kill Mark Turgeon over a basketball game and faced no repercussions. That's not right.

No, it’s not. But to assume that it’s political simply isn’t right either.

[CobraCommander]

I hate to respond to this thread again but damn - after listening to espn and reading some the post here...I’m actually disappointed in humanity -it’s racial..like the whole human race appears to suck -

The fact that Howard is being defended anywhere on espn or even REALGM is ludicrous. It’s actually insane that a guy that told the Maryland coach “ILL KILL YOU” after a a game last year was still employed by Michigan to slap a man and incite a brawl this year. Especially when Howard in the immediate press conference last year was “I’m from the south side”.

Ok let’s think about what Howard is saying by saying I’m from the south side and the ramifications of that statement-

Is he saying “I’m from the south side and we know how to properly manage interpersonal conflict”...or is he saying “I’m from the south side and conflict with him can lead to death?”. Howard said I’ll kill you and said I’m from the south side...here are some details on what time means when someone invokes their hood during conflict
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Get mad at me if you want...it’s true _. If someone said I’m from O block or I’m a GD or BD and we were arguing in Chicago - I would know exactly what I was being threatened with. ESPN and every person on TV pretending to not know what Howard meant last year when he said that to the Maryland coach- shame on you - cause you condoned this guys THUG behavior and now what did you expect a dude from the south side to do when someone impedes his progress? He from the south side...he told you he from the south side...now what?

The reason I’m pissed off at all these people on tv and on REALGM defending or asking for a light punishment for Howard is because Howard rich...Howard gonna be fine... no matter what. But when you condone his behavior or advocate giving him a 2 game suspension and the WHITE school or team looking for their NEXT coach, guess who they don’t hire? Yep...the kid from the south side. Cause he might threaten to Kill someone or slap someone cause he from the “south side”.

With great power comes great responsibility and Howard messed up and everyone trying to give him a pass are just as bad as people that want cops to have qualified immunity- cops want it cause they cops and it’s a hard job and it seems people want Howard to have it because he black and getting a coaching job is hard if you black...both true but the reality is, when you get that privilege you have hold yourself to the highest standard possible because other people are depending you- Howard is indeed impeding progress- fire his ass ASAP

I know I’ll get banned for this rant but what ever-

So this is complicated. Because I tend to agree with a fair degree of what you’re saying but I also think you are going down a bit of a rabbit hole here. When some references where they are from, it’s basically a way of saying “I don’t play that ***” and is something that happens during moments of conflict all the time. I don’t like it, but it’s hardly an anomaly.

In addition, I don’t think that people are defending Howard’s actions as much as they are calling for the recognition that it took 2 here and most of the narrative yesterday was that it was all Howard. So what’s he being called? Less than an man, a thug, a lunatic, a maniac. You name it. Yet nobody wants to acknowledge that it was Gard (technically) that initiated first contact and thus, cause the first point of escalation. So then it puts some people in the mindset that maybe one guy is getting too much blame while the other is getting too little, which causes the defense. Not so much that those people condone Howard’s actions.

I hear you and I understand that point of view totally. And I think it's still shameful and ridiculous. Howard is objectively wrong here and every person looking at this without bringing their bias into it can see the conflict was relatively minor and looked like it was about to be resolved peaceably, and he came back and needlessly and stupidly escalated the situation into a brawl and put his players at risk with his actions.

a lot of people defending Juwan Howard are acting from the same stupid tribal impulses that have caused people to excuse bad actions by other people who look like them all throughout history. It just reinforces the undeniable truth that all human beings act alike regardless of our physical characteristics.

I hope one day we can get better about this stuff, but nobody really seems inclined to try real hard to get there.

Exactly...anything short of firing Howard is Michigan condoning Howard’s previous actions and words as well as not seeing this as a clear escalation upon what Howard did last year.

I get the point about people posturing and talking crap. But when you move from threatening to kill people to slapping people YOU have proven that “where you from they don’t play that ****” and Michigan needs to prove that they don’t tolerate that type of behavior from their educators and leaders...

Howard’s actions and the defense of them are insidious...no hyperbole... you can’t defend threats of murder and over the top violence from “one of your own” And then be taken seriously when you talk about violence and mistreatment of “one of your own” by the establishment- People hate hypocrisy and it hurts progress

[KembaWalker]

Just take a look at his/her response to my post and then tell me that he/she wasn’t eluding to that…

Juwan Howard threatened to kill Mark Turgeon over a basketball game and faced no repercussions. That's not right.

No, it’s not. But to assume that it’s political simply isn’t right either.

I'm willing to consider any alternatives you present. Perhaps they just forgot to punish him?

[Betta Bulleavit]

Juwan Howard threatened to kill Mark Turgeon over a basketball game and faced no repercussions. That's not right.

No, it’s not. But to assume that it’s political simply isn’t right either.

I'm willing to consider any alternatives you present. Perhaps they just forgot to punish him?

I don’t know. Perhaps an investigation was conducted and the findings of that there was fault both ways in that situation and perhaps it was handled internally? I honestly don’t know. But it’s not unheard of for schools to stand behind their coaches even through egregious action. Hell, Indiana did it with Bob Knight for years.

[MrBigShot]

Bruh how the hell do you throw hands as a head coach, c'mon man

[CobraCommander]

BettaBulleavit is exactly right

Howard gonna fool around and find out he Herman Munster strong and somebody else be cracked like an egg OR he's gonna get embarrassed by a for real-no-how-to-fight "little" guy.

Mark Turgeon might had something for Juwan

How do I know? My fraternity brothers to this day could tell you stories

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

[Betta Bulleavit]

Juwan obviously should've shown more restraint than he did but that coach isn't blameless either. You can't just put your hands on somebody. He should've read Juwan's body language and interpreted that he clearly didn't want to shake hands and then move one. Don't grab a hold on Juwan's forearm and expect him not to retaliate.

Both should get suspensions, Juwan 2 games, the coach 1 game and then leave it be.

Eh, Howard threw hands. No way he doesn’t get at least 5 games. Especially since this isn’t his first run in.

[CobraCommander]

Juwan obviously should've shown more restraint than he did but that coach isn't blameless either. You can't just put your hands on somebody. He should've read Juwan's body language and interpreted that he clearly didn't want to shake hands and then move one. Don't grab a hold on Juwan's forearm and expect him not to retaliate.

Both should get suspensions, Juwan 2 games, the coach 1 game and then leave it be.

Eh, Howard threw hands. No way he doesn’t get at least 5 games. Especially since this isn’t his first run in.

5 - I’m trying to find a place on line where I can bet Michigan is firing him or resigns before he coaches another game.

I would bet they working on a negotiated severance - if Howard quits and apologized they pay X if they have to fire him they withhold all the money and they talking to Mark West to see who they need to use to win this in court

[mccluskey]

It’s very simple to me. Both guys were pissed and demonstrated poor sportsmanship. It should have ended there. Instead, Gard felt the need to get his point across and did so by grabbing Howard’s arm in a way that a disciplinarian parent would do while reprimanding a child. Howard overreacted and committed the most egregious act of taking a full on swing later in the altercation. Howard is going to get the hammer dropped on him as a result and Gard wasn’t innocent either. This isn’t the Big Bad Wolf vs Little Red Riding Hood here. It’s two “leaders” that failed at their jobs yesterday. One more so than the other. Can we agree there??

when I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

[Betta Bulleavit]

BettaBulleavit is exactly right

Howard gonna fool around and find out he Herman Munster strong and somebody else be cracked like an egg OR he's gonna get embarrassed by a for real-no-how-to-fight "little" guy.

Mark Turgeon might had something for Juwan

How do I know? My fraternity brothers to this day could tell you stories

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

[Betta Bulleavit]

It’s very simple to me. Both guys were pissed and demonstrated poor sportsmanship. It should have ended there. Instead, Gard felt the need to get his point across and did so by grabbing Howard’s arm in a way that a disciplinarian parent would do while reprimanding a child. Howard overreacted and committed the most egregious act of taking a full on swing later in the altercation. Howard is going to get the hammer dropped on him as a result and Gard wasn’t innocent either. This isn’t the Big Bad Wolf vs Little Red Riding Hood here. It’s two “leaders” that failed at their jobs yesterday. One more so than the other. Can we agree there??

ok man, respectfully, you appear to be incapable of looking at this without bias. When I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard. There is no reason to try to use this "but what about Gard, he was bad too" line unless you're trying to minimize Howard's culpability, and trying to do that is showing your bias.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

I’m not sure if you have read my full take on this thing nor that really important. What I will say is that I’ve watched the same videos that you have and just because I have different take on what happened, it doesn’t mean that I am being biased. Hell, I’m an Illini guy and really don’t have a dog in this race outside of Howard being from the Chi. Having said that, I feel that my position is about as unbiased as can be. Both guys failed in the leadership category. Howard, in general and Gard for not recognizing that any type of physical contact at that moment was inappropriate. If he didn’t want to shake your hand, why then would you think they that grabbing his arm/elbow was the correct thing to do their? You can marginalize the contact that Gard made all you want but I refuse to.

[SNPA]

It’s very simple to me. Both guys were pissed and demonstrated poor sportsmanship. It should have ended there. Instead, Gard felt the need to get his point across and did so by grabbing Howard’s arm in a way that a disciplinarian parent would do while reprimanding a child. Howard overreacted and committed the most egregious act of taking a full on swing later in the altercation. Howard is going to get the hammer dropped on him as a result and Gard wasn’t innocent either. This isn’t the Big Bad Wolf vs Little Red Riding Hood here. It’s two “leaders” that failed at their jobs yesterday. One more so than the other. Can we agree there??

when I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

How do you watch that and not even address the assistant coming in hot? That assistant barrels in pushing other coaches out of the way and gets to a Michigan player and starts towards him and then Howard comes back in. That dude is massively at fault too.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

BettaBulleavit is exactly right

Howard gonna fool around and find out he Herman Munster strong and somebody else be cracked like an egg OR he's gonna get embarrassed by a for real-no-how-to-fight "little" guy.

Mark Turgeon might had something for Juwan

How do I know? My fraternity brothers to this day could tell you stories

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

i tell you what

he's got me by i foot plus in height and i'm over 60 with high blood pressure. My last fun older relative, my big sister died Christmas Eve. She changed my diapers when I was a kid. Sharon Gray, 1949-2021.

I will make a gentleman's agreement, FIGHt Club type offer. only this wil be monetized faux fight ala Paul Bros Vegas

I will fight Juwan. I have a daughter who's disowned me. She played club rugby at Nebraska. will be 29 years old SO, for her I'll get in shape, That has to be 13 weeks or so from now, right?

The only reason I offer is I am short. And fat. And out of shape. and old. and I've lived in Hawaii for the last 20 or so years...

the offer would be handled dm's and I am a loving Christian who sees this could be fun, help ME, and be decent to hype.

Ken from MD or KC from DC

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It’s very simple to me. Both guys were pissed and demonstrated poor sportsmanship. It should have ended there. Instead, Gard felt the need to get his point across and did so by grabbing Howard’s arm in a way that a disciplinarian parent would do while reprimanding a child. Howard overreacted and committed the most egregious act of taking a full on swing later in the altercation. Howard is going to get the hammer dropped on him as a result and Gard wasn’t innocent either. This isn’t the Big Bad Wolf vs Little Red Riding Hood here. It’s two “leaders” that failed at their jobs yesterday. One more so than the other. Can we agree there??

when I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

How do you watch that and not even address the assistant coming in hot? That assistant barrels in pushing other coaches out of the way and gets to a Michigan player and starts towards him and then Howard comes back in. That dude is massively at fault too.

I bet Howard was justified clocking the assistant FWIW

[mccluskey]

BettaBulleavit is exactly right

Howard gonna fool around and find out he Herman Munster strong and somebody else be cracked like an egg OR he's gonna get embarrassed by a for real-no-how-to-fight "little" guy.

Mark Turgeon might had something for Juwan

How do I know? My fraternity brothers to this day could tell you stories

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

ok, thanks for the clarification dude. I don't think Howard is a "thug" or a crazed maniac, and I agree Gard touched him first. But I think it's pretty clear to anybody watching that Gard wasn't trying to fight and didn't escalate things physically once he realized how angry Howard was, and that Howard way, way, way overreacted and needlessly escalated a situation with violence that appeared to be ready to calm down, putting his team at risk.

what I do think is that Howard is a hothead and a sore loser who just demonstrated he doesn't have the required judgment or professionalism to represent a major university as its head coach. People do learn and grow and get better, so maybe Juwan learns from this and acquires some humility and self control, but I don't think that's where his head is at unfortunately.

[LV-Suns]

I never thought he had the composure to make it as a coach, he was so short tempered even as a vet in the NBA.

[CobraCommander]

BettaBulleavit is exactly right

Howard gonna fool around and find out he Herman Munster strong and somebody else be cracked like an egg OR he's gonna get embarrassed by a for real-no-how-to-fight "little" guy.

Mark Turgeon might had something for Juwan

How do I know? My fraternity brothers to this day could tell you stories

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

In all due respect- then what are we talking about?
If you do thug things you a thug

Most people are not raised into thuggery- most parents don’t have a kid and say “this kid is going to be a problem” And I’m not saying Howard behaved that way before he began coaching for the most part.

I’m calling Howard a thug now straight up because he said it himself - I’m taking him at his word....”I’ll kill you” and “I’m from the south side” as his response to a question about why he responded that way.

And slapping a dude...not even the dude he initially was arguing with...he slapped another dude that DIDNT stop him in the line or touch him.

Y’all making all these reasons for why the opposing coach was part of the problem when Howard slapped an ASSIST coach...wtf


Howard out here indiscriminately slapping dudes on the opposing team.

Tell me where the thug line is please - in a civil society I need to know cause Howard out here confusing me by bringing street code to the universities coaching staff and it’s hard to know if they should have jumped Howard for slapping their man and no one snitching or if they should arrest him for simple assault....or what?

If I was a player or a fan at that game it would have been tough to know if I’m in Howard’s gang or is this just basketball....