OT: Juwan Howard throws "punch"; Suspended for remainder of season

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

BB from ChiTown me and CobraCommander are PG Co boys, me circa Len Bias age years.

We knew how to fight pre guns. Juwan gonna run up on one if he keeps it up. It will be HILARIOUS to see him if he doesn't end up moon walkn better than Carmelo did the time the kid from Indiana (JJ) looked like he wanted to hurt a brother.

I don't inflame a sensitive topic. You can't be saying stuff and you can't be charging or swinging at the one YOU THINK has nothing.

i wish they had let Turgeon and Howard go a bit.

P.S> I got love for Coach Howard! Supported him with Webber on the Wizards and after Shaq got him that Abe Pollin contract. Still do. I just figure he's not too big to learn SOMEthings

[mccluskey]

It’s very simple to me. Both guys were pissed and demonstrated poor sportsmanship. It should have ended there. Instead, Gard felt the need to get his point across and did so by grabbing Howard’s arm in a way that a disciplinarian parent would do while reprimanding a child. Howard overreacted and committed the most egregious act of taking a full on swing later in the altercation. Howard is going to get the hammer dropped on him as a result and Gard wasn’t innocent either. This isn’t the Big Bad Wolf vs Little Red Riding Hood here. It’s two “leaders” that failed at their jobs yesterday. One more so than the other. Can we agree there??

ok man, respectfully, you appear to be incapable of looking at this without bias. When I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard. There is no reason to try to use this "but what about Gard, he was bad too" line unless you're trying to minimize Howard's culpability, and trying to do that is showing your bias.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

I’m not sure if you have read my full take on this thing nor that really important. What I will say is that I’ve watched the same videos that you have and just because I have different take on what happened, it doesn’t mean that I am being biased. Hell, I’m an Illini guy and really don’t have a dog in this race outside of Howard being from the Chi. Having said that, I feel that my position is about as unbiased as can be. Both guys failed in the leadership category. Howard, in general and Gard for not recognizing that any type of physical contact at that moment was inappropriate. If he didn’t want to shake your hand, why then would you think they that grabbing his arm/elbow was the correct thing to do their? You can marginalize the contact that Gard made all you want but I refuse to.

I saw your clarification and I appreciate the response. I deleted my references to bias in my post, I don't think they were completely fair to you after seeing your clarification. My bad on that.

I still think you're making too much of Gard's part in this, though. Having watched the video now several times in slow mo - because I want to make damn sure I'm not talking out of my ass here - I don't think Gard was aware of just how angry Howard was or would get, because you can pretty clearly see him realizing he's in a situation he didn't expect when Howard grabs him.

[mccluskey]

It’s very simple to me. Both guys were pissed and demonstrated poor sportsmanship. It should have ended there. Instead, Gard felt the need to get his point across and did so by grabbing Howard’s arm in a way that a disciplinarian parent would do while reprimanding a child. Howard overreacted and committed the most egregious act of taking a full on swing later in the altercation. Howard is going to get the hammer dropped on him as a result and Gard wasn’t innocent either. This isn’t the Big Bad Wolf vs Little Red Riding Hood here. It’s two “leaders” that failed at their jobs yesterday. One more so than the other. Can we agree there??

when I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

How do you watch that and not even address the assistant coming in hot? That assistant barrels in pushing other coaches out of the way and gets to a Michigan player and starts towards him and then Howard comes back in. That dude is massively at fault too.

he did the same thing assistant coaches throughout history have done in these situations, which is try to get between your guys and the other team, and he didn't do anything physical except have his hands at his chest keeping guys away from each other. You're really reaching here, dude.

[mccluskey]

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

i tell you what

he's got me by i foot plus in height and i'm over 60 with high blood pressure. My last fun older relative, my big sister died Christmas Eve. She changed my diapers when I was a kid. Sharon Gray, 1949-2021.

I will make a gentleman's agreement, FIGHt Club type offer. only this wil be monetized faux fight ala Paul Bros Vegas

I will fight Juwan. I have a daughter who's disowned me. She played club rugby at Nebraska. will be 29 years old SO, for her I'll get in shape, That has to be 13 weeks or so from now, right?

The only reason I offer is I am short. And fat. And out of shape. and old. and I've lived in Hawaii for the last 20 or so years...

the offer would be handled dm's and I am a loving Christian who sees this could be fun, help ME, and be decent to hype.

Ken from MD or KC from DC

hell I'll pay to watch it, Ken

[CobraCommander]

I’m a PG terp too that eventually became at fairfax dukie...and I can tell you people taking a threat from a chiraq vet seriously...Howard is definitely making things complicated for people that don’t get that you can’t threaten to kill someone and think it’s ok....

Howard acting like a THUG....this is the one time THUG is most appropriate word to describe Howard.

He is out here claiming his hood, threatening to kill people, pointing in peoples chest and slapping dudes - how is this anything but thuggery and I guess this what we want from the leaders of young men in college up at Michigan but I don’t want that at UMD or Duke...

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

ok, thanks for the clarification dude. I don't think Howard is a "thug" or a crazed maniac, and I agree Gard touched him first. But I think it's pretty clear to anybody watching that Gard wasn't trying to fight and didn't escalate things physically once he realized how angry Howard was, and that Howard way, way, way overreacted and needlessly escalated a situation with violence that appeared to be ready to calm down, putting his team at risk.

what I do think is that Howard is a hothead and a sore loser who just demonstrated he doesn't have the required judgment or professionalism to represent a major university as its head coach. People do learn and grow and get better, so maybe Juwan learns from this and acquires some humility and self control, but I don't think that's where his head is at unfortunately.

Btw- I get your point - I just hate when guys like Howard make it harder for the next guy to get a job and the talking heads double down in their support of someone like Howard and make it EVEN harder for the next guy.

Everytime one of these guys defends Howard they reinforce why a leader has to “vet” the coach and if they feel anything that makes them uneasy they gonna pass on the guy. So think about it...how many coaches coming up from the “south side” been fighting like hell to get a coaching gig to have Howard act like this and blow it up for the next guy.

Know that this is why Tomlin and Herm are revered beyond coaching. It’s unfair that black coaches have to rep a whole community but who we kidding...every person of color in leadership KNOWS we got the ball for the next person....you alllllll know this is factual and Howard is messing up the game...yep it’s bigger than one slap

[Betta Bulleavit]

ok man, respectfully, you appear to be incapable of looking at this without bias. When I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard. There is no reason to try to use this "but what about Gard, he was bad too" line unless you're trying to minimize Howard's culpability, and trying to do that is showing your bias.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

I’m not sure if you have read my full take on this thing nor that really important. What I will say is that I’ve watched the same videos that you have and just because I have different take on what happened, it doesn’t mean that I am being biased. Hell, I’m an Illini guy and really don’t have a dog in this race outside of Howard being from the Chi. Having said that, I feel that my position is about as unbiased as can be. Both guys failed in the leadership category. Howard, in general and Gard for not recognizing that any type of physical contact at that moment was inappropriate. If he didn’t want to shake your hand, why then would you think they that grabbing his arm/elbow was the correct thing to do their? You can marginalize the contact that Gard made all you want but I refuse to.

I saw your clarification and I appreciate the response. I deleted my references to bias in my post, I don't think they were completely fair to you after seeing your clarification. My bad on that.

I still think you're making too much of Gard's part in this, though. Having watched the video now several times in slow mo - because I want to make damn sure I'm not talking out of my ass here - I don't think Gard was aware of just how angry Howard was or would get, because you can pretty clearly see him realizing he's in a situation he didn't expect when Howard grabs him.

This is fair enough. I do have a different take on Gard’s initial intent. But it’s debatable at the least.

[CobraCommander]

BB from ChiTown me and CobraCommander are PG Co boys, me circa Len Bias age years.

We knew how to fight pre guns. Juwan gonna run up on one if he keeps it up. It will be HILARIOUS to see him if he doesn't end up moon walkn better than Carmelo did the time the kid from Indiana (JJ) looked like he wanted to hurt a brother.

I don't inflame a sensitive topic. You can't be saying stuff and you can't be charging or swinging at the one YOU THINK has nothing.

i wish they had let Turgeon and Howard go a bit.

P.S> I got love for Coach Howard! Supported him with Webber on the Wizards and after Shaq got him that Abe Pollin contract. Still do. I just figure he's not too big to learn SOMEthings

FAXXXXXX

[SNPA]

when I watch the video posted by jswede, I see Gard put his hand on Howard's arm to stop him - he never actually grabbed him - and step in front of him in response to Howard making his pissy comment. This may be an overreaction, but it's something I've seen from plenty of head coaches before, and he pretty clearly does not appear to be doing anything other than trying to talk to Howard. Frankie Collins from Michigan is standing right there watching it and doesn't react at all to Gard's action.

Howard then snatches his arm backwards and grabs Gard briefly by the shirt, pushing him back, before pointing into his face. If you slow the video down and watch the interaction, you can see Gard kind of going "whoa" in his head at that, and from that point he appears to get progressively more agitated but doesn't touch Howard again except to try to get Howard's finger out of his face. Howard's also agitated and you can hear him telling Gard "don't touch me". Then the assistants rush in and both coaches are briefly separated, and it appears that the crisis has been averted.

at that point - after backing away and allowing cooler heads to begin to prevail and defuse the situation - is when Howard runs back in like a dumbass and launches his semi-punch (a boxer this man is not) at a completely different Wisconsin coach who had not touched him at all, and this action causes the ensuing brawl and put his players at risk in a hostile environment.

let's say Gard was in the wrong for trying to stop Howard to explain himself. Even if we agree on that, his action was a drop in a bucket compared to the flood from Juwan Howard.

most coaches in the country would be fired or at the very least suspended for a long time for what Howard did. It's a pathetic way for a leader in his position to conduct themselves and shows terrible judgment, especially considering he wasn't even aware enough to show some remorse at the press conference.

How do you watch that and not even address the assistant coming in hot? That assistant barrels in pushing other coaches out of the way and gets to a Michigan player and starts towards him and then Howard comes back in. That dude is massively at fault too.

he did the same thing assistant coaches throughout history have done in these situations, which is try to get between your guys and the other team, and he didn't do anything physical except have his hands at his chest keeping guys away from each other. You're really reaching here, dude.

Nah. The other coaches, the ones he is pushing out of the way as he barrels in, are acting like assistants normally do. This dude is throwing fire on the pile not water. Big difference.

Look at the Michigan player’s face (headband with flopping hair) as that assistant shoves coaches out of the way and makes it to him. Howard sees that and that’s when he swipes at him. Howard didn’t just come back into the middle because he randomly charged, he is reacting to that guy (for the 20th time, not an excuse for the swipe).

Lastly, Gard’s initial grab stops Howard’s forward progress and spins him 90 degrees by pushing his arm behind his torso. I mean come on. The takes that this is normal coaching contact or just how you stop someone to talk with them is way off. You’d get fired from an office job for a grab like that.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Did Juwan ever get in a fight or close his whole time in the NBA?

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So Bimbo beasted Juwan.

This is a true story. My story.

As of two years ago myself and the other guy 6'4.5" to my 5'8" were not only both alive; we LAUGHED ABOUT IT.

All I will say is he threatened to f me up for playing him too closely (1988 Monterey, CA). "Oh, yeah. You better watch your knees"

Words flew out of my mouth to what was equivalent of a major to my butter bar.

HILARIOUS macho shyt, then. He was Juwan IMO. never ran up on the right one...yet.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There was no fight.

Better, I didn't have to end up getting my ass either kicked and/or courts martial OR WORSE imprisoned for winning that fight pretty easily. just keepin it real

The big guy should have known better and HE STARTED the violence but it was posturing ... Thank goodness

I still remember the look in his face when he saw the look in my face AFTER HE CAME DOWN to my at the time world...geez I did TKD

[mccluskey]

How do you watch that and not even address the assistant coming in hot? That assistant barrels in pushing other coaches out of the way and gets to a Michigan player and starts towards him and then Howard comes back in. That dude is massively at fault too.

he did the same thing assistant coaches throughout history have done in these situations, which is try to get between your guys and the other team, and he didn't do anything physical except have his hands at his chest keeping guys away from each other. You're really reaching here, dude.

Nah. The other coaches, the ones he is pushing out of the way as he barrels in, are acting like assistants normally do. This dude is throwing fire on the pile not water. Big difference.

Look at the Michigan player’s face (headband with flopping hair) as that assistant shoves coaches out of the way and makes it to him. Howard sees that and that’s when he swipes at him. Howard didn’t just come back into the middle because he randomly charged, he is reacting to that guy (for the 20th time, not an excuse for the swipe).

Lastly, Gard’s initial grab stops Howard’s forward progress and spins him 90 degrees by pushing his arm behind his torso. I mean come on. The takes that this is normal coaching contact or just how you stop someone to talk with them is way off. You’d get fired from an office job for a grab like that.

10/10 for creativity, brother

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How do you watch that and not even address the assistant coming in hot? That assistant barrels in pushing other coaches out of the way and gets to a Michigan player and starts towards him and then Howard comes back in. That dude is massively at fault too.

he did the same thing assistant coaches throughout history have done in these situations, which is try to get between your guys and the other team, and he didn't do anything physical except have his hands at his chest keeping guys away from each other. You're really reaching here, dude.

Nah. The other coaches, the ones he is pushing out of the way as he barrels in, are acting like assistants normally do. This dude is throwing fire on the pile not water. Big difference.

Look at the Michigan player’s face (headband with flopping hair) as that assistant shoves coaches out of the way and makes it to him. Howard sees that and that’s when he swipes at him. Howard didn’t just come back into the middle because he randomly charged, he is reacting to that guy (for the 20th time, not an excuse for the swipe).

Lastly, Gard’s initial grab stops Howard’s forward progress and spins him 90 degrees by pushing his arm behind his torso. I mean come on. The takes that this is normal coaching contact or just how you stop someone to talk with them is way off. You’d get fired from an office job for a grab like that.

They are Ath Oh Leets

Let the MEN be Boys unless eXCEpt you can't

A really talented kid at Kansas, DeSouza got in all kinds of trouble for fighting...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

SNPA is you'ns a lawyer?

I'm joking. J/K

Now I am out

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Gotdang Howard just ruining his NBA Coaching prospects, potentially

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

i tell you what

he's got me by i foot plus in height and i'm over 60 with high blood pressure. My last fun older relative, my big sister died Christmas Eve. She changed my diapers when I was a kid. Sharon Gray, 1949-2021.

I will make a gentleman's agreement, FIGHt Club type offer. only this wil be monetized faux fight ala Paul Bros Vegas

I will fight Juwan. I have a daughter who's disowned me. She played club rugby at Nebraska. will be 29 years old SO, for her I'll get in shape, That has to be 13 weeks or so from now, right?

The only reason I offer is I am short. And fat. And out of shape. and old. and I've lived in Hawaii for the last 20 or so years...

the offer would be handled dm's and I am a loving Christian who sees this could be fun, help ME, and be decent to hype.

Ken from MD or KC from DC

hell I'll pay to watch it, Ken

I could use the cash and I promise if I win I will go easy

There's a video gone viral of this fat guy in white that defecates himself (while handily winning a fight in which four of 5 young punks think the shitn's embarrassing. They never heard of autonomic processes. I've been in a street fight. Good thing dude hit me in the head...with the stylized weapon. Good for him I knew I pooped myself ...NO WAY did I want that embarrassment in 1979 so I got up and while his brother held me he got at least one or two punches to my face--you don't really feel blows to the face unless they''re to your nose or break bones....NO, the poop...I had to run to the car drive home clean my arse change and go back to FHS ...and dude was gone by the time i got back

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

At the risk of sound as if I am making excuses for Howard, which I’m not…trust me, I am going to try to rationalize this Howard/Thug thing.

I’ve never met the man. But I know many people that have. Howard isn’t a thug. Again, trust me on that. Dude just wasn’t raised that way. However, in some twisted way, I think that he feels that this is how to show his players that he has their back. At some point (hopefully before he loses his job) he will learn that acting aggressively towards your peers isn’t the way to have your players back nor is it going to garner you more respect as a recruiter. This is going to hurt him. And he will see how soon enough.

I want to apologize if it seems like I’m supporting Howard’s actions in any way. I don’t. I just take issue with the idea of creating a narrative that he was somehow unprovoked and is this crazed maniac that sought out this confrontation. There is literally video evidence that shows otherwise and some people either refuse to acknowledge it OR paint what Gard did in this angelic, warm light. Like….let’s not do that. This was an unfortunate situation where all spades need to be called spades.

i tell you what

he's got me by i foot plus in height and i'm over 60 with high blood pressure. My last fun older relative, my big sister died Christmas Eve. She changed my diapers when I was a kid. Sharon Gray, 1949-2021.

I will make a gentleman's agreement, FIGHt Club type offer. only this wil be monetized faux fight ala Paul Bros Vegas

I will fight Juwan. I have a daughter who's disowned me. She played club rugby at Nebraska. will be 29 years old SO, for her I'll get in shape, That has to be 13 weeks or so from now, right?

The only reason I offer is I am short. And fat. And out of shape. and old. and I've lived in Hawaii for the last 20 or so years...

the offer would be handled dm's and I am a loving Christian who sees this could be fun, help ME, and be decent to hype.

Ken from MD or KC from DC

hell I'll pay to watch it, Ken

i think i know y you want to see it

I could use the cash and I promise if I win I will go easy.

There's a video gone viral of this fat guy in white that defecates himself (while handily winning a fight in which four of 5 young punks think the shitn's embarrassing. They never heard of autonomic processes. I've been in a street fight. Good thing dude hit me in the head...with the stylized weapon. Good for him I knew I pooped myself ...NO WAY did I want that embarrassment in 1979 so I got up and while his brother held me he got at least one or two punches to my face--you don't really feel blows to the face unless they''re to your nose or break bones....NO, the poop...I had to run to the car drive home clean my arse change and go back to FHS ...and dude was gone by the time i got back

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wow

you got a PGCo dude calling YOU thug and another wanting a PPV

[CobraCommander]

Gotdang Howard just ruining his NBA Coaching prospects, potentially

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gotdang Howard just ruining his NBA Coaching prospects, potentially

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Coach Al Attles

Yes he was, because Attles would jack anybody up, and GSW were lucky to because with out Al at court side the confidence the warriors had was HIM. He added soooo much to that team it was a perfect fit. Al doesn't get enough credit for keeping that team believing in them selves. That is truly coaching ,along with the way he rotated his squad. The first coach to truly use 8-9 guys as a plan.

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tmi

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Howard IMO needs a stringent fine. Something like half this season's prorated salary or 750K whichever is LESS.

He needs to go to Barney Simple Anger mgmt 101 and be forced to APOLOGIZE especially if he doesn't feel he should

That will teach. (Child's play compared to the dumb **** I DID at his age. He don't want to be like ME)