College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[newyorker4ever]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

Even if they rebuild they can still rebuild with Murray who's still young.

[HarthorneWingo]

Once again Gard had no right to grab Juwan’s arm and try to make Juwan try to talk to him. I got to reiterate this question again, what job or even personal interaction, can you grab the arm of someone you are barely an acquaintance with to make them talk to you and it’s seen as acceptable behavior?

Gard deserves at least a 1 game suspension for not keeping his hands to himself and initiating the conflict. Juwan deserves a multiple game suspension and even him being fired is acceptable.

Juwan being salty prior shouldn’t be a significant factor in the whole thing. Their actions all went beyond the norm.

I’d have to see how Gard touched him. Also, he didn’t slap at Gard. He hit the assistant coach who ran into the scrum, as understand it.

As for Juwan, there was no reason to be full court pressing with your starters against the opposing team’s scrubs at the end of a blow out loss.

He grabs his arm and positions himself to stop Juwan from just going past him. Also I agree which is why Juwan should be suspended longer and potentially fired.

Also I don’t think the motive behind the incident matters. Both Juwan and Gard made a basketball issue into a problematic situation that escalated quickly and embarrassed both of them.

My guess is that Gard walks away unscathed and that Howard gets hit with a heavy suspension and fine. I also expect the university to ask Howard to apologize to Gard and Wisconsin and I don’t know whether Juwan will do that. If he doesn’t apologize, then I think that will get him fired.

[WargamesX]

If we don’t move up and draft in the 8-11 range I think the likely choices are between Mathurin, Daniels, or Washington.

None of them from their stats to video are bad choices either.

[TheGreenArrow]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

Nope our lotto pick is going to the pelicans along with Julius for Zion or another star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dukeknicksirish]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

Nope our lotto pick is going to the pelicans along with Julius for Zion or another star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish our #8, Randle, Burks, Dallas 23, NY 24, IQ get Zion

[TheGreenArrow]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

Nope our lotto pick is going to the pelicans along with Julius for Zion or another star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish our #8, Randle, Burks, Dallas 23, NY 24, IQ get Zion

Maybe add 1 more pick and I think that gets it done!!!!!!!!

Zion has all the leverage imo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RHODEY]

Nope our lotto pick is going to the pelicans along with Julius for Zion or another star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish our #8, Randle, Burks, Dallas 23, NY 24, IQ get Zion

Maybe add 1 more pick and I think that gets it done!!!!!!!!

Zion has all the leverage imo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that for the next Antonio Mcdysee situation wating to happen? I mean I would hope that doesn't happen but his prognosis seems pretty bad. Or are his handlers exaggerating that to get him out of New Orleans?

[TheGreenArrow]

I wish our #8, Randle, Burks, Dallas 23, NY 24, IQ get Zion

Maybe add 1 more pick and I think that gets it done!!!!!!!!

Zion has all the leverage imo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that for the next Antonio Mcdysee situation wating to happen? I mean I would hope that doesn't happen but his prognosis seems pretty bad. Or are his handlers exaggerating that to get him out of New Orleans?

I think it’s the latter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[8516knicks]

I wish our #8, Randle, Burks, Dallas 23, NY 24, IQ get Zion

Maybe add 1 more pick and I think that gets it done!!!!!!!!

Zion has all the leverage imo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that for the next Antonio Mcdysee situation wating to happen? I mean I would hope that doesn't happen but his prognosis seems pretty bad. Or are his handlers exaggerating that to get him out of New Orleans?

great, we get to do carmelo 2.0 with a another crappy team built (all our assets squandered) around him. And a FAT, less talented Carmelo to boot!

[knickstape4ever]

if we got a top 4 pick, would you trade it for Zion?

my answer is no. the weight issue is too much of a red flag. injury aside, just kinda shows he doesn't care that much

btw, Pelicans fans are kinda fed up with him

[dakomish23]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

No thanks, the Spurs are going to be in the lottery with Murray, they had DeRozan last year who looks like a new man not playing with Murray. Why give up 2 picks for someone who posts nice stats but doesn't impact winning in any way?

I’m not saying trade for him or not, but we have to picture him on our team with our guys. What you said is the same excuse the anti Haliburton folks were using.

[SkyMason21]

If we don’t move up and draft in the 8-11 range I think the likely choices are between Mathurin, Daniels, or Washington.

None of them from their stats to video are bad choices either.

Haven't loved Mathurin for the Knicks because if we go for a 2/3 I'd like someone good at/focused on attack the rim, but this last game he had against Oregon is probably my favorite game of his all season. Showed a nice first step, couple floaters and some solid lobs.

Watch on YouTube

[PeteW]

Chet is still my #1 guy, but would love a top 4 pick.

I love Chet but I Can’t get pass his body frame lol Or id probably have him as lock for Number 1 because the talent is there. Check out 0:08, a kid from Pepperdine can body him in the paint like that? he doesn’t have upper or lower body strength

Watch on YouTube

Being skinny is one of the easiest flaws for prospects to fix. If a prospect has a broken shot or can't create their own shot then that's a problem, but needing to gain some weight on? Thats easily fixable. Whens the last time a player became a bust because they couldn't gain enough weight?

He's giving me Porzingis vibes. At absolute worst case you have a Myles Turner? Either way he's perfect for the modern NBA.

[Chanel Bomber]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

No thanks, the Spurs are going to be in the lottery with Murray, they had DeRozan last year who looks like a new man not playing with Murray. Why give up 2 picks for someone who posts nice stats but doesn't impact winning in any way?

This is the worst Spurs team since a quarter-century ago (1997).

It's not a coincidence it happens to be the one where Dejounte Murray is "the man". You're just not going to win many games with Murray having such a high usage.

And it's not like he can be effective in an off-ball role. We saw the negative impact he had on DeRozan's game just last year. Murray arguably held back DeRozan with his lack of shooting.

Murray is the guard version of Randle, except he never had a season where he shot 40% from 3. Yes, he's a very good defender, but it doesn't make up for the fact he's a high-usage, low-efficiency offensive player who doesn't impact winning on the whole. Could he morph into a winning player? We'll see.

Trading for Murray would be a typical Knicks move. Moving two picks for him could be disaster.

Glad you see it too.

[thebuzzardman]

Chet is still my #1 guy, but would love a top 4 pick.

I love Chet but I Can’t get pass his body frame lol Or id probably have him as lock for Number 1 because the talent is there. Check out 0:08, a kid from Pepperdine can body him in the paint like that? he doesn’t have upper or lower body strength

Watch on YouTube

Being skinny is one of the easiest flaws for prospects to fix. If a prospect has a broken shot or can't create their own shot then that's a problem, but needing to gain some weight on? Thats easily fixable. Whens the last time a player became a bust because they couldn't gain enough weight?

He's giving me Porzingis vibes. At absolute worst case you have a Myles Turner? Either way he's perfect for the modern NBA.

How much weight did Shawn Bradley put on?

This guy has super narrow shoulders and is painfully thin. I don't think he's putting on all that much weight. I mean, sure, they'll get him on a program, he'll mature, but it's probably like 20 lbs

Then again, it's not the 90's so players can get away with it a bit more

[Deeeez Knicks]

I love Chet but I Can’t get pass his body frame lol Or id probably have him as lock for Number 1 because the talent is there. Check out 0:08, a kid from Pepperdine can body him in the paint like that? he doesn’t have upper or lower body strength

Watch on YouTube

Being skinny is one of the easiest flaws for prospects to fix. If a prospect has a broken shot or can't create their own shot then that's a problem, but needing to gain some weight on? Thats easily fixable. Whens the last time a player became a bust because they couldn't gain enough weight?

He's giving me Porzingis vibes. At absolute worst case you have a Myles Turner? Either way he's perfect for the modern NBA.

How much weight did Shawn Bradley put on?

This guy has super narrow shoulders and is painfully thin. I don't think he's putting on all that much weight. I mean, sure, they'll get him on a program, he'll mature, but it's probably like 20 lbs

Then again, it's not the 90's so players can get away with it a bit more

The weight is a concern/flaw, but think he will still be good/great. Too much talent and skills. Either way he will fill out some more. Even 20lbs would help him a lot.

Plus like you said its not the 90s. You can put him on the perimeter in most defensive matchups, and he will probably end up being a really good help defender.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

If we end up with pick 7-8, any chance we package IQ, #8 , Burks and 2023 NY 1st (protected top 14) to get Murray ?

Spurs look to want to rebuild, I’m just not sure what he’s worth to them .

No thanks, the Spurs are going to be in the lottery with Murray, they had DeRozan last year who looks like a new man not playing with Murray. Why give up 2 picks for someone who posts nice stats but doesn't impact winning in any way?

I’m not saying trade for him or not, but we have to picture him on our team with our guys. What you said is the same excuse the anti Haliburton folks were using.

Haliburton is in his 2nd year, can shoot and is still on his rookie deal. I wouldn't expect Haliburton to impact winning right now, Murray however is in his 5th season, has been with Chip Engelland and the Spurs developmental staff for 6 yrs and still can't shoot.

It's not the same situation, I'd go after Brunson long before I'd go after Murray, a PG who can't shoot in 2022 is a hard pass.

[mpharris36]

Being skinny is one of the easiest flaws for prospects to fix. If a prospect has a broken shot or can't create their own shot then that's a problem, but needing to gain some weight on? Thats easily fixable. Whens the last time a player became a bust because they couldn't gain enough weight?

He's giving me Porzingis vibes. At absolute worst case you have a Myles Turner? Either way he's perfect for the modern NBA.

How much weight did Shawn Bradley put on?

This guy has super narrow shoulders and is painfully thin. I don't think he's putting on all that much weight. I mean, sure, they'll get him on a program, he'll mature, but it's probably like 20 lbs

Then again, it's not the 90's so players can get away with it a bit more

The weight is a concern/flaw, but think he will still be good/great. Too much talent and skills. Either way he will fill out some more. Even 20lbs would help him a lot.

Plus like you said its not the 90s. You can put him on the perimeter in most defensive matchups, and he will probably end up being a really good help defender.

He just has natural timing instincts so he will fall into 2-3 blocks a night as long as he can stay out of foul trouble. The two things I don't think he can change is his frame much and my concerns about tall lanky guys and injury history. Maybe its just recency bias but after KP guys that big that skinny that can move like that do they ever stay healthy?

Evan Mobley who I think is painfully thin...Chet makes him look like Shaq on the Lakers in terms of size.

But no denying his skill set.

How do you compare Chet to Victor Wembanyama?

[DOT]

How much weight did Shawn Bradley put on?

This guy has super narrow shoulders and is painfully thin. I don't think he's putting on all that much weight. I mean, sure, they'll get him on a program, he'll mature, but it's probably like 20 lbs

Then again, it's not the 90's so players can get away with it a bit more

The weight is a concern/flaw, but think he will still be good/great. Too much talent and skills. Either way he will fill out some more. Even 20lbs would help him a lot.

Plus like you said its not the 90s. You can put him on the perimeter in most defensive matchups, and he will probably end up being a really good help defender.

He just has natural timing instincts so he will fall into 2-3 blocks a night as long as he can stay out of foul trouble. The two things I don't think he can change is his frame much and my concerns about tall lanky guys and injury history. Maybe its just recency bias but after KP guys that big that skinny that can move like that do they ever stay healthy?

Evan Mobley who I think is painfully thin...Chet makes him look like Shaq on the Lakers in terms of size.

But no denying his skill set.

How do you compare Chet to Victor Wembanyama?

Yeah, Mobley's listed as 20 pounds heavier than Chet

But also, he looks like he can put on more weight, get up to 235, 240 maybe, where I think Chet will struggle even getting to 210

He's got that Pokusevski body.

[dukeknicksirish]

How much weight did Shawn Bradley put on?

This guy has super narrow shoulders and is painfully thin. I don't think he's putting on all that much weight. I mean, sure, they'll get him on a program, he'll mature, but it's probably like 20 lbs

Then again, it's not the 90's so players can get away with it a bit more

The weight is a concern/flaw, but think he will still be good/great. Too much talent and skills. Either way he will fill out some more. Even 20lbs would help him a lot.

Plus like you said its not the 90s. You can put him on the perimeter in most defensive matchups, and he will probably end up being a really good help defender.

He just has natural timing instincts so he will fall into 2-3 blocks a night as long as he can stay out of foul trouble. The two things I don't think he can change is his frame much and my concerns about tall lanky guys and injury history. Maybe its just recency bias but after KP guys that big that skinny that can move like that do they ever stay healthy?

Evan Mobley who I think is painfully thin...Chet makes him look like Shaq on the Lakers in terms of size.

But no denying his skill set.

How do you compare Chet to Victor Wembanyama?

I watched Chet/Team USA play vs him in the U19 championship.

Chet finished with 9 points, 2 rebounds and 5 assists on 3/8 shooting

Victor finished with 30 points, 8 rebounds, 8 blocks on 6/14 shooting and 9/9 FT's.

I would offer whoever gets #1 pick that year Randle, Mitch, Dallas 1st, NY 23 first, IQ, 25 NY 1st, 27 NY 1st and it still wouldn't be worth it . Kid is the real Unicorn