Trade Talk (Part Ten): 2022 Offseason Edition

[winforlose]

This is probably borderline insulting, but here goes

Edwards for #5 + Brogdon?

Why suggest this? Between the organization saying Ant and KAT are off the table, and the obvious inequity in the deal, why bother? You are suggesting trading a 20 year old for a 29 year old. Brogdan makes a little more than 22.5 million a year, which is considerably more than Ant. Brogdon has a history of injuries and has only played in more than 60 games in 2 seasons, one of which was his rookie season. He has never played 80 games. The #5 pick in a weak draft and an above average PG being traded to a team that already has Pat Bev and Dlo in exchange for a star wing (when we lack wing depth,) is just not a serious suggestion. Even if you threw in Halliburton and Duarte I probably wouldn’t do this.

[Topofthekey]

This is probably borderline insulting, but here goes

Edwards for #5 + Brogdon?

Why suggest this?

You're right, I shouldn't have suggested it

[life_saver]

I have no clue why people think that Wiggins-DLo trade was bad for Wolves....that Wolves team was literally going nowhere, didn't have cap space or any big draft assets and Wiggins wasn't a good enough ball handler to do well in the role he had at Wolves. People might have short memories but Wiggins was considered worst contract in NBA at that point of time. Wolves needed a good ball handler badly. Wolves also aren't getting Ant if that trade wasn't made..with DLo being injured, he rarely played that season after the trade..if Wiggins was still here,Wolves would have been few more matches and that'd have meant no No1 pick.

Wolves had ton of injuries in the following 2020-21 season..if the roster was atleast close to healthy, that pick would have been in maybe 10-15 range. Maybe the pick could've been slightly better protected but it was still a decent trade from Wolves perspective. The team was struggling and going no where, fanbase was also pretty down with all the Butler drama and the future looking bleak. It was a good trade for both the teams

[shrink]

u guys think we got fleeced by warriors? Wiggins became an allstar..they got talented big in Kuminga with our #7 pick. And Warriors will contend for championship. While we hover around .500 with Dlo.

Many people think if one team wins a trade, the other must have lost it. In a good trade, both teams get better vs the other 28 teams in the league - I think that happened here.

There is no doubt GSW is better after the trade. Wiggins, in a smaller offensive role, has been better than he ever was. Now, I think your points oversell how good he is. The Warriors get lots of publicity, and their marketing department pressed hard to get him an All Star starting spot - and he likely wouldn’t have even made the team if he wasn’t voted a starter. And the Warriors contending for a championship have a lot more to do with Steph and Draymond than it has to do with Wiggins.

But the trade hasn’t been bad for MIN. I think Wiggins would have been the same old bad Wiggins if we hadn’t made the trade and he stayed here. Remember, we had tried everything to motivate the guy - making him lead scorer, making him back up scorer, even “point-Wiggins.” There is no reason to think we’d have gotten “GSW-Wiggins” if he stayed in Minnesota. Moreover, his max contract was stifling. I am not a DLo fan, but he is also playing the best ball of his life after the trade, and the team has a whole new culture.

Giving up a 1st to change our old Wiggins into the new DLo isn’t such a bad deal for Minnesota.

[Mamba4Goat]

When Wiggins signs his new max contract I think we may be able to comfortably pivot back to Minnesota not being “fleeced” in the deal.

[old school 34]

u guys think we got fleeced by warriors? Wiggins became an allstar..they got talented big in Kuminga with our #7 pick. And Warriors will contend for championship. While we hover around .500 with Dlo.

Many people think if one team wins a trade, the other must have lost it. In a good trade, both teams get better vs the other 28 teams in the league - I think that happened here.

There is no doubt GSW is better after the trade. Wiggins, in a smaller offensive role, has been better than he ever was. Now, I think your points oversell how good he is. The Warriors get lots of publicity, and their marketing department pressed hard to get him an All Star starting spot - and he likely wouldn’t have even made the team if he wasn’t voted a starter. And the Warriors contending for a championship have a lot more to do with Steph and Draymond than it has to do with Wiggins.

But the trade hasn’t been bad for MIN. I think Wiggins would have been the same old bad Wiggins if we hadn’t made the trade and he stayed here. Remember, we had tried everything to motivate the guy - making him lead scorer, making him back up scorer, even “point-Wiggins.” There is no reason to think we’d have gotten “GSW-Wiggins” if he stayed in Minnesota. Moreover, his max contract was stifling. I am not a DLo fan, but he is also playing the best ball of his life after the trade, and the team has a whole new culture.

Giving up a 1st to change our old Wiggins into the new DLo isn’t such a bad deal for Minnesota.

100% agree...I think both teams are comfortable with this deal & no regrets. The only thing that can be picked on is the draft protection perhaps & that's only because now we know how that played out...Kuminga would look awesome on the Wolves....but at the time of the trade, what were the percentages that it would play out exactly like that? And most likely, we never get the deal 100% done if we would've eliminated all risk on our end...& regardless it's recoverable. If we would've kept Wigs when would've the next opportunity arose?

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[winforlose]

u guys think we got fleeced by warriors? Wiggins became an allstar..they got talented big in Kuminga with our #7 pick. And Warriors will contend for championship. While we hover around .500 with Dlo.

Many people think if one team wins a trade, the other must have lost it. In a good trade, both teams get better vs the other 28 teams in the league - I think that happened here.

There is no doubt GSW is better after the trade. Wiggins, in a smaller offensive role, has been better than he ever was. Now, I think your points oversell how good he is. The Warriors get lots of publicity, and their marketing department pressed hard to get him an All Star starting spot - and he likely wouldn’t have even made the team if he wasn’t voted a starter. And the Warriors contending for a championship have a lot more to do with Steph and Draymond than it has to do with Wiggins.

But the trade hasn’t been bad for MIN. I think Wiggins would have been the same old bad Wiggins if we hadn’t made the trade and he stayed here. Remember, we had tried everything to motivate the guy - making him lead scorer, making him back up scorer, even “point-Wiggins.” There is no reason to think we’d have gotten “GSW-Wiggins” if he stayed in Minnesota. Moreover, his max contract was stifling. I am not a DLo fan, but he is also playing the best ball of his life after the trade, and the team has a whole new culture.

Giving up a 1st to change our old Wiggins into the new DLo isn’t such a bad deal for Minnesota.

100% agree...I think both teams are comfortable with this deal & no regrets. The only thing that can be picked on is the draft protection perhaps & that's only because now we know how that played out...Kuminga would look awesome on the Wolves....but at the time of the trade, what were the percentages that it would play out exactly like that? And most likely, we never get the deal 100% done if we would've eliminated all risk on our end...& regardless it's recoverable. If we would've kept Wigs when would've the next opportunity arose?

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The thing no one mentions is that after Roco was traded away KAT was LIVID. Bringing in Dlo kept our superstar happy and here. There is a better than average chance KAT would have demanded out if we didn’t bring in one of his best friends. Now we hear about how happy the locker room is and how close the team is. Dlo may not be great but he is better than anything we have had in a long time. If he was making 25 instead of a max people would love him. Losing out on the #7 pick was worth it if it kept KAT and upgraded our max slot. Say what you want about Dlo but he is an upgrade over Wiggins. Moreover, without Steph drawing all the attention on offense Wiggins would be guarded more closely and look a lot more like he did with us. Finally, and I cannot stress this enough, Wiggins cannot win when Steph is out. He isn’t that much better than he was with us, he just gets more national attention. We won the trade because we kept KAT, Dlo is just a nice bonus.

[old school 34]

Many people think if one team wins a trade, the other must have lost it. In a good trade, both teams get better vs the other 28 teams in the league - I think that happened here.

There is no doubt GSW is better after the trade. Wiggins, in a smaller offensive role, has been better than he ever was. Now, I think your points oversell how good he is. The Warriors get lots of publicity, and their marketing department pressed hard to get him an All Star starting spot - and he likely wouldn’t have even made the team if he wasn’t voted a starter. And the Warriors contending for a championship have a lot more to do with Steph and Draymond than it has to do with Wiggins.

But the trade hasn’t been bad for MIN. I think Wiggins would have been the same old bad Wiggins if we hadn’t made the trade and he stayed here. Remember, we had tried everything to motivate the guy - making him lead scorer, making him back up scorer, even “point-Wiggins.” There is no reason to think we’d have gotten “GSW-Wiggins” if he stayed in Minnesota. Moreover, his max contract was stifling. I am not a DLo fan, but he is also playing the best ball of his life after the trade, and the team has a whole new culture.

Giving up a 1st to change our old Wiggins into the new DLo isn’t such a bad deal for Minnesota.

100% agree...I think both teams are comfortable with this deal & no regrets. The only thing that can be picked on is the draft protection perhaps & that's only because now we know how that played out...Kuminga would look awesome on the Wolves....but at the time of the trade, what were the percentages that it would play out exactly like that? And most likely, we never get the deal 100% done if we would've eliminated all risk on our end...& regardless it's recoverable. If we would've kept Wigs when would've the next opportunity arose?

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The thing no one mentions is that after Roco was traded away KAT was LIVID. Bringing in Dlo kept our superstar happy and here. There is a better than average chance KAT would have demanded out if we didn’t bring in one of his best friends. Now we hear about how happy the locker room is and how close the team is. Dlo may not be great but he is better than anything we have had in a long time. If he was making 25 instead of a max people would love him. Losing out on the #7 pick was worth it if it kept KAT and upgraded our max slot. Say what you want about Dlo but he is an upgrade over Wiggins. Moreover, without Steph drawing all the attention on offense Wiggins would be guarded more closely and look a lot more like he did with us. Finally, and I cannot stress this enough, Wiggins cannot win when Steph is out. He isn’t that much better than he was with us, he just gets more national attention. We won the trade because we kept KAT, Dlo is just a nice bonus.

I agree with a lot of what you say here...the friendship definitely gave KAT a security blanket. Not sure how 'livid' KAT was on the Roco trade...seems to be some mixed reporting there...but regardless, we needed to buy the team time to develop & DLo ensured some patience from KAT that we desperately needed.

And I do if we go on to finish the season on a solid note....we will be to the point that if we feel the roster needs to upgrade DLo vs say add a significant 4th piece...we're probably at the point that we can massage that with KAT without fearing he leaves...he wants to win & we have a relatively good outlook there & he's just mature enough to get it?

Last point...fair shot that Wiggs can't win without Curry...but very same is true about DLo...he couldn't win without KAT?


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[winforlose]

100% agree...I think both teams are comfortable with this deal & no regrets. The only thing that can be picked on is the draft protection perhaps & that's only because now we know how that played out...Kuminga would look awesome on the Wolves....but at the time of the trade, what were the percentages that it would play out exactly like that? And most likely, we never get the deal 100% done if we would've eliminated all risk on our end...& regardless it's recoverable. If we would've kept Wigs when would've the next opportunity arose?

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The thing no one mentions is that after Roco was traded away KAT was LIVID. Bringing in Dlo kept our superstar happy and here. There is a better than average chance KAT would have demanded out if we didn’t bring in one of his best friends. Now we hear about how happy the locker room is and how close the team is. Dlo may not be great but he is better than anything we have had in a long time. If he was making 25 instead of a max people would love him. Losing out on the #7 pick was worth it if it kept KAT and upgraded our max slot. Say what you want about Dlo but he is an upgrade over Wiggins. Moreover, without Steph drawing all the attention on offense Wiggins would be guarded more closely and look a lot more like he did with us. Finally, and I cannot stress this enough, Wiggins cannot win when Steph is out. He isn’t that much better than he was with us, he just gets more national attention. We won the trade because we kept KAT, Dlo is just a nice bonus.

I agree with a lot of what you say here...the friendship definitely gave KAT a security blanket. Not sure how 'livid' KAT was on the Roco trade...seems to be some mixed reporting there...but regardless, we needed to buy the team time to develop & DLo ensured some patience from KAT that we desperately needed.

And I do if we go on to finish the season on a solid note....we will be to the point that if we feel the roster needs to upgrade DLo vs say add a significant 4th piece...we're probably at the point that we can massage that with KAT without fearing he leaves...he wants to win & we have a relatively good outlook there & he's just mature enough to get it?

Last point...fair shot that Wiggs can't win without Curry...but very same is true about DLo...he couldn't win without KAT?


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Wiggins had a team that won multiple titles and had even more finals appearances. Dlo had the youngest team in the league and a coach who would have trouble getting hired at most colleges. Not really apples to apples.

[TaylorTag]

When I think about ways to improve this roster next season, it seems like a PF/C hybrid is this team's number one priority. Ideally, it is someone who can not only play with KAT but make the rest of our starting unit better.

I say this not because I am down on Vando, but if you look at our starting lineup, PF is the one spot we can get better. And that's the goal right? This team isn't going to surpass the GSWs and PHXs of the world by adding talent on the fringes. We have to significantly upgrade a position to get a real boost. PF seems like the obvious position.

So then we look at who can we target that can not only play Vando's position PF but also Center minutes if needed? I don't see the Wolves target another small-ball 4 to replace Vando, as we already have McDaniels on the roster to do that, and with Reid on the final year of his deal, we should be evaluating the future of the backup Center spot anyways.

If you look at all of the PF/C hybrids, the one guy I keep coming back to is John Collins. With Beverley and Beasely's contracts, the Wolves can absorb Collins' $25M a year. It's a big contract, no doubt, but there was a scenario where we pursued him in FA and payed max-level money so in that sense his contract is below market value.

I guess the problem with Collins' contract is not about the average salary but more the length of the contract, as he has a player option in 2025-26. It would be kind of weird bringing in a guy who is signed 2 years passed KAT. With Collins's contract. When you are paying someone $25M a year, the franchise kind of has to market him to the fans as the Big 4 next to D'Lo, Ant and KAT. Would KAT see him as a threat?

On paper, it makes sense. Collins would be great insurance if KAT got hurt for like 4-6 weeks next season or the one after (injuries we are seeing more and more to star players like Anthony Davis most recent example). I also think that Collins and KAT would thrive together on the court.

As far as what that type of move would do to the rest of the roster, it would move Vando to the bench where maybe he belongs. Come in and give 20 minutes of pure hustle everynight, as opposed to starter minutes which just doesn't seem sustainable throughout the season... With Beverley gone in this hypothetical trade, the Wolves need an on-ball defender in the starting unit, which you could just slot McDaniels in there next to D'Lo, Ant, Collins and KAT and would think that would be a capable defensive unit given the type of talent those guys bring...

It's a daring move that would undoubtedly shake up the culture of the team.. But a big move might be needed if we truly want to establish ourselves as a Top 4 team in the West.

The Wolves would likely have to give up a draft pick too in the trade I am proposing, so the Wolves will have less capital to find wing replacements with Beverley and Beasely outgoing... Though you would hope that Jalen Nowell could maybe inherit most of Beasely's minutes next season.

Last thing, and I don't feel terribly strongly about this so maybe it should be left unsaid but I think Collins seems like a player that would do well with Ant and McDaniels.. And so if we were to move on from the D'Lo and KAT timeline, we would still have a core of players that would ensure it was not a hard rebuild.

[minimus]

When I think about ways to improve this roster next season, it seems like a PF/C hybrid is this team's number one priority. Ideally, it is someone who can not only play with KAT but make the rest of our starting unit better.

I say this not because I am down on Vando, but if you look at our starting lineup, PF is the one spot we can get better. And that's the goal right? This team isn't going to surpass the GSWs and PHXs of the world by adding talent on the fringes. We have to significantly upgrade a position to get a real boost. PF seems like the obvious position.

So then we look at who can we target that can not only play Vando's position PF but also Center minutes if needed? I don't see the Wolves target another small-ball 4 to replace Vando, as we already have McDaniels on the roster to do that, and with Reid on the final year of his deal, we should be evaluating the future of the backup Center spot anyways.

If you look at all of the PF/C hybrids, the one guy I keep coming back to is John Collins. With Beverley and Beasely's contracts, the Wolves can absorb Collins' $25M a year. It's a big contract, no doubt, but there was a scenario where we pursued him in FA and payed max-level money so in that sense his contract is below market value.

I guess the problem with Collins' contract is not about the average salary but more the length of the contract, as he has a player option in 2025-26. It would be kind of weird bringing in a guy who is signed 2 years passed KAT. With Collins's contract. When you are paying someone $25M a year, the franchise kind of has to market him to the fans as the Big 4 next to D'Lo, Ant and KAT. Would KAT see him as a threat?

On paper, it makes sense. Collins would be great insurance if KAT got hurt for like 4-6 weeks next season or the one after (injuries we are seeing more and more to star players like Anthony Davis most recent example). I also think that Collins and KAT would thrive together on the court.

As far as what that type of move would do to the rest of the roster, it would move Vando to the bench where maybe he belongs. Come in and give 20 minutes of pure hustle everynight, as opposed to starter minutes which just doesn't seem sustainable throughout the season... With Beverley gone in this hypothetical trade, the Wolves need an on-ball defender in the starting unit, which you could just slot McDaniels in there next to D'Lo, Ant, Collins and KAT and would think that would be a capable defensive unit given the type of talent those guys bring...

It's a daring move that would undoubtedly shake up the culture of the team.. But a big move might be needed if we truly want to establish ourselves as a Top 4 team in the West.

The Wolves would likely have to give up a draft pick too in the trade I am proposing, so the Wolves will have less capital to find wing replacements with Beverley and Beasely outgoing... Though you would hope that Jalen Nowell could maybe inherit most of Beasely's minutes next season.

Last thing, and I don't feel terribly strongly about this so maybe it should be left unsaid but I think Collins seems like a player that would do well with Ant and McDaniels.. And so if we were to move on from the D'Lo and KAT timeline, we would still have a core of players that would ensure it was not a hard rebuild.

I might be mistaken but Collins does not play like a big player, especially in defense. Yes, we should upgrade Vando, but I am kind of hesitant to invest such huge money in role player, before we clarify situation with Russell, KAT extension and/or new contracts of Edwards/MCD

[old school 34]

The thing no one mentions is that after Roco was traded away KAT was LIVID. Bringing in Dlo kept our superstar happy and here. There is a better than average chance KAT would have demanded out if we didn’t bring in one of his best friends. Now we hear about how happy the locker room is and how close the team is. Dlo may not be great but he is better than anything we have had in a long time. If he was making 25 instead of a max people would love him. Losing out on the #7 pick was worth it if it kept KAT and upgraded our max slot. Say what you want about Dlo but he is an upgrade over Wiggins. Moreover, without Steph drawing all the attention on offense Wiggins would be guarded more closely and look a lot more like he did with us. Finally, and I cannot stress this enough, Wiggins cannot win when Steph is out. He isn’t that much better than he was with us, he just gets more national attention. We won the trade because we kept KAT, Dlo is just a nice bonus.

I agree with a lot of what you say here...the friendship definitely gave KAT a security blanket. Not sure how 'livid' KAT was on the Roco trade...seems to be some mixed reporting there...but regardless, we needed to buy the team time to develop & DLo ensured some patience from KAT that we desperately needed.

And I do if we go on to finish the season on a solid note....we will be to the point that if we feel the roster needs to upgrade DLo vs say add a significant 4th piece...we're probably at the point that we can massage that with KAT without fearing he leaves...he wants to win & we have a relatively good outlook there & he's just mature enough to get it?

Last point...fair shot that Wiggs can't win without Curry...but very same is true about DLo...he couldn't win without KAT?


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Wiggins had a team that won multiple titles and had even more finals appearances. Dlo had the youngest team in the league and a coach who would have trouble getting hired at most colleges. Not really apples to apples.

When Wigs wasn't playing with Curry (it was mostly without Green or Thompson as well)...so how much championship pedigree is there in those specific games...Looney?

Fair about coach & some of that to some degree but I don't know that it's too crazy?

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[minimus]

This summer GSW will need to take decisions about Poole, Payton II, Looney, JTA, Lee.

1) sign Payton as future Beverley replacement 15mil/3yrs (MLE)
2) trade Beasley, Reid, #17 pick for Holmes, #6
3) draft Jovic
4) re-sign Nowell 24mil/4yrs, Okogie min contract, convert Knight to Hinkie deal

Towns/Holmes/???
Vando/Jovic/Knight
Edwards/MCD/???
Beverley/Nowell/Okogie
DLo/Payton/JMac

[IceManBK1]

Holmes and Barnes for Beasley, Prince(Sign and trade)Reid, Layman+1st rder

Dlo
Edwards
Barnes
Towns
Holmes

[IceManBK1]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265942/Kemba-Walker-Knicks-Agree-Hell-Miss-Rest-Of-Season-Work-On-Trade-In-Offseason

Hope dlo plays more consistent and shoots more efficiently in 2nd half of season. If he's trash in the playoffs then we should trade him to knicks for Kemba Walker and Mitchell(Sign and trade) Then get one of Barnes or Holmes from Kings. Then we're back in business.

[IceManBK1]

If the marcus smart rumors were true, then beasley and beverly for Smart is a no brainer. Maybe we can get both smart and josh richardson? If we get Richaun Holmes for Prince(sign and trade)+filler then we would surround dlo, edwards and towns with 3 really good defenders. If Kings ask for Prince+Mcdaniels. I'd pull the trigger. We can just start Edwards at the 3.

Dlo
Smart
Edwards
Towns
Holmes

[old school 34]

This summer GSW will need to take decisions about Poole, Payton II, Looney, JTA, Lee.

1) sign Payton as future Beverley replacement 15mil/3yrs (MLE)
2) trade Beasley, Reid, #17 pick for Holmes, #6
3) draft Jovic
4) re-sign Nowell 24mil/4yrs, Okogie min contract, convert Knight to Hinkie deal

Towns/Holmes/???
Vando/Jovic/Knight
Edwards/MCD/???
Beverley/Nowell/Okogie
DLo/Payton/JMac

I love the idea of trading up in this draft to grab a specific target guy....I understand that it's deemed a weak draft after the top 5 or so....but inevitably every weak year still produces talent...we just need to identify it correctly. For me, if we got to 6 that would be awesome, but Jovic wouldn't be my guy....he scares me. Minimus, I assume you've probably watched him more than most? Convince me, why he's not Poku 2.0? And/or I'm not just as well off drafting Ousmane Dieng (similar type to Jovic) with my first 2nd?

At 6, you already have gone (Ivey, the 3-4s, & either Griffin or Sharpe, right?)....I think, I'm going the leftover guy there or TyTy Washington (really high on TyTy & a sneaky spot that we really need to upgrade).

The other variation of a potential Beasley/Holmes swap....is a 3-teamer with Char....& if we can get a draft swap still all the better?

Cha in Holmes, out Washington/Plumlee

Sac in Beasley, out Holmes

Min in Washington/Plumlee, out Beasley

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[minimus]

This summer GSW will need to take decisions about Poole, Payton II, Looney, JTA, Lee.

1) sign Payton as future Beverley replacement 15mil/3yrs (MLE)
2) trade Beasley, Reid, #17 pick for Holmes, #6
3) draft Jovic
4) re-sign Nowell 24mil/4yrs, Okogie min contract, convert Knight to Hinkie deal

Towns/Holmes/???
Vando/Jovic/Knight
Edwards/MCD/???
Beverley/Nowell/Okogie
DLo/Payton/JMac

I love the idea of trading up in this draft to grab a specific target guy....I understand that it's deemed a weak draft after the top 5 or so....but inevitably every weak year still produces talent...we just need to identify it correctly. For me, if we got to 6 that would be awesome, but Jovic wouldn't be my guy....he scares me. Minimus, I assume you've probably watched him more than most? Convince me, why he's not Poku 2.0?

Unfortunately, I am not an draft expert, because I am very biased But my thinking behind Nikola Jovic selection is following:

1) we have very limited in offese Vando and very raw in offense MCD, but both have high potential as defenders
2) I recently read an article about big shooters such as MPJ, and I found it interesting, drafting a big guard such Jovic would fit this trend
3) Vando, MCD and Jovic would form very unique trio of big wings

You can replace Jovic with any other big guard, I took Jovic because his european basketball education might help him to be an effective player

[Slim Tubby]

This summer GSW will need to take decisions about Poole, Payton II, Looney, JTA, Lee.

1) sign Payton as future Beverley replacement 15mil/3yrs (MLE)
2) trade Beasley, Reid, #17 pick for Holmes, #6
3) draft Jovic
4) re-sign Nowell 24mil/4yrs, Okogie min contract, convert Knight to Hinkie deal

Towns/Holmes/???
Vando/Jovic/Knight
Edwards/MCD/???
Beverley/Nowell/Okogie
DLo/Payton/JMac

I love the idea of trading up in this draft to grab a specific target guy....I understand that it's deemed a weak draft after the top 5 or so....but inevitably every weak year still produces talent...we just need to identify it correctly. For me, if we got to 6 that would be awesome, but Jovic wouldn't be my guy....he scares me. Minimus, I assume you've probably watched him more than most? Convince me, why he's not Poku 2.0?

Unfortunately, I am not an draft expert, because I am very biased But my thinking behind Nikola Jovic selection is following:

1) we have very limited in offese Vando and very raw in offense MCD, but both have high potential as defenders
2) I recently read an article about big shooters such as MPJ, and I found it interesting, drafting a big guard such Jovic would fit this trend
3) Vando, MCD and Jovic would form very unique trio of big wings

You can replace Jovic with any other big guard, I took Jovic because his European basketball education might help him to be an effective player

I've only seen a few videos of Jovic but he's a damn impressive prospect and I'd be happy to add him to our roster.

[Mattya]

If you are going to trade up, the obvious target is AJ Griffin. I get Jovic makes some good passes and has lots of room to grow, but his shooting has cratered, not sure I’d count him as an offensive threat.