Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin

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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#21 » by Lost92Bricks » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:49 am

No-more-rings wrote:I mean why are you bringing up winning when no one else is? When i said prove more, I'm talking about his performance.

I don't buy the Clippers being better with Love instead of Griffin. Say what you want about Griffin's defense, but with Love in his place the Clippers would be putrid on defense. They were already the top offense in some years, so i don't see Love changing much there.

Could you imagine Love playing the 2nd most important position on defense going against teams like OKC, the Spurs or GSW in the playoffs? Lol.

If it's just about performance then when did Blake perform better than Love in 2014? Love averaged 26/13/4 on 59 TS%.

Love is a much better shooter than Griffin. He even has 3 point range and can shoot free throws. That would significantly improve the Clippers' offense.

MartinToVaught wrote:You're making Rubio sound like a scrub when he's actually a very solid point guard. A Blake/Rubio duo would have been must-see TV, more fun to watch than the actual Lob City turned out to be.

Love also had Rick Adelman as his coach in Minnesota, a far better coach than Vinny or Doc, and still couldn't win
anything.

This is where it really sucks that injuries destroyed Blake's career. We never really got to see how a healthy peak Blake would have done without CP3 marginalizing him. I tend to think he would have taken his game up a notch, kind of like how Nash leaving Dallas ended up fully unlocking Dirk.

They would've been fun to watch for sure but they wouldn't have been competitive. It would be the same Clippers team that missed the playoffs all those years. Love and Rubio already had that in Minnesota.
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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#22 » by No-more-rings » Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:12 pm

Lost92Bricks wrote:If it's just about performance then when did Blake perform better than Love in 2014? Love averaged 26/13/4 on 59 TS%.


I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about postseason.

What good excuse do you have for Love being relatively pathetic in the playoffs? Griffin’s playoff performances in 2014 and especially 2015 were better than Love ever did. Don’t see how that’s really debatable either. If you want to take Love because he put up good numbers on a bad team in 2014, go ahead.
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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#23 » by Lost92Bricks » Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:23 pm

No-more-rings wrote:I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about postseason.

What good excuse do you have for Love being relatively pathetic in the playoffs? Griffin’s playoff performances in 2014 and especially 2015 were better than Love ever did. Don’t see how that’s really debatable either. If you want to take Love because he put up good numbers on a bad team in 2014, go ahead.

That's not fair. He didn't go to the playoffs at his peak. He went to the playoffs being the 3rd option behind Lebron and Kyrie.

That's what I was talking about, switch Rubio and Paul and Blake would be the one putting up good numbers on a bad team. Love would be on a top west team.
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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#24 » by No-more-rings » Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:34 pm

Lost92Bricks wrote:That's not fair. He didn't go to the playoffs at his peak. He went to the playoffs being the 3rd option behind Lebron and Kyrie.

Oh please. He was age 26-29 during his playoff years. If Love can’t have great impact as a 2nd or 3rd option, I don’t know how you don’t see that as a problem.
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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#25 » by Lost92Bricks » Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:48 pm

No-more-rings wrote:Oh please. He was age 26-29 during his playoff years. If Love can’t have great impact as a 2nd or 3rd option, I don’t know how you don’t see that as a problem.

He was behind two 25 PPG scorers. Of course his numbers in the regular season and playoffs dipped.

His numbers would increase easily if it was him playing on the Clippers.
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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#26 » by TheLand13 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 6:38 pm

No-more-rings wrote:
Lost92Bricks wrote:If it's just about performance then when did Blake perform better than Love in 2014? Love averaged 26/13/4 on 59 TS%.


I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about postseason.

What good excuse do you have for Love being relatively pathetic in the playoffs? Griffin’s playoff performances in 2014 and especially 2015 were better than Love ever did. Don’t see how that’s really debatable either. If you want to take Love because he put up good numbers on a bad team in 2014, go ahead.


In his first ever playoff series, Kevin was actually very good for Cleveland. His outside shooting and rebounding was a serious problem for Boston. He had an early exit due to an unfortunate injury, and his shooting numbers were inconsistent, but that's going to happen when you're the third option on offense. Keep in mind also, this was when Blatt was still the coach, and Love has gone on record stating that he wasn't comfortable operating under the system Blatt put him in. And most players, including LeBron, have stated that Love was poorly utilized under Blatt and it was tough for him as a result to produce to the levels that were expected of him.

In his second playoff stint, he was consistently great until he reached the NBA finals, where he suffered a concussion in game 2 and that lingered throughout the series. Before that? He had a very good and often not talked about game 1 performance against a team that he had a tough time matching up with. And in the three series before that, he averaged a double double in the first two and had two great 20 point close out performances in the final games Cleveland won to advance to the NBA Finals.

In his third playoff stint, he actually had a couple poor games in the first two series, one of which was due to foul trouble. And then in the third, he was dominant, averaging 22/12 on 48% from the field and 53% from 3. Those are outrageous numbers for your third option. And then in the finals, he once again struggled with his shooting, which had a lot to do with being guarded by Draymond. Despite this, he was still able to find ways to contribute, and even broke the NBA record for most rebounds in a finals game when he had 21 in game 1. He averaged a double double in that series, nothing mediocre about that.

His fourth stint in the playoffs is without question his worst, and even then, it's not like he didn't have some notable performances. He was actually dominant in that Toronto series and was very helpful in the series against the Warriors, where he was now the second option. But for the most part, the team at this point was the LeBron show, even though Kevin did lead a Cavaliers comeback in a crucial game seven to avoid an early round upset.

All in all, I'm not really sure where you're getting this idea that Kevin was a pathetic playoff performer. He was actually better as the third option than he was the second, but even then he actually did very well in that role. His style of play made it difficult for him to remain consistent from the field, but he always managed to find ways to contribute. It's hard to judge Love's game by just going entirely off of stats because his style of play goes beyond that. When looking at his stats overall, it's easy to think that Love was a mediocre playoff performer. But when looking at each series side by side and applying context, he suddenly comes out looking a lot better. The final year is very weird since you'd think he'd be better as the second option than as the third, but nonetheless, I see nothing here that suggests he wasn't, at the very least, a good playoff performer. An almost walking double double who is an actual match up problem for a lot of teams? Yeah, I'll gladly take that as my third option on offense.
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Re: Kevin Love vs Blake Griffin 

Post#27 » by TheBomb81 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:11 am

Kevin Love for me.

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