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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1981 » by Rowland Garrett » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:15 am

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Zion has played 85 games in 3 seasons…he is in Oden territory.

Embiid didn't play at all his first 2 seasons with a foot injury and is the frontrunner for MVP. This Zion/Oden talk is premature.


Use common sense.

Look at Zion’s body.

Look at his game.

This isn’t going to end well, unfortunately.

It could. But what a risk. Then consider Zion's skills are not what we need. The 3 and D Big. Pat's low end profile. Hopeful we can get another player of that profile for next year at minimal cost as a hedge against Pat not being the answer, at least yet.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1982 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:18 am

Rowland Garrett wrote:
Wingy wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote: Embiid didn't play at all his first 2 seasons with a foot injury and is the frontrunner for MVP. This Zion/Oden talk is premature.


Use common sense.

Look at Zion’s body.

Look at his game.

This isn’t going to end well, unfortunately.

It could. But what a risk. Then consider Zion's skills are not what we need. The 3 and D Big. Pat's low end profile. Hopeful we can get another player of that profile for next year at minimal cost as a hedge against Pat not being the answer, at least yet.


We are at a point that we can’t gamble everything on questionable players no matter how high the talent level. We are probably one move away and we can’t screw it up. If/when we do a consolidation trade it has to be someone that wants isn’t extremely injury prone or unproven. Guys like Anthony Davis and Zion are a huge no.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1983 » by d boy gentleman » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:11 am

Wingy wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
Zion has played 85 games in 3 seasons…he is in Oden territory.

Embiid didn't play at all his first 2 seasons with a foot injury and is the frontrunner for MVP. This Zion/Oden talk is premature.


Use common sense.

Look at Zion’s body.

Look at his game.

This isn’t going to end well, unfortunately.



If he's over 300 pounds, then I'm right there with you to worry, but we haven't seen Zion lately. But, we do know when we last saw Zion, he averaged 27 and 7 and was an All Star. Foot injuries scare me but, if there's a chance to get a talent like Zion on this team, I take the chance
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1984 » by WindyCityBorn » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:31 am

d boy gentleman wrote:
Wingy wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote: Embiid didn't play at all his first 2 seasons with a foot injury and is the frontrunner for MVP. This Zion/Oden talk is premature.


Use common sense.

Look at Zion’s body.

Look at his game.

This isn’t going to end well, unfortunately.



If he's over 300 pounds, then I'm right there with you to worry, but we haven't seen Zion lately. But, we do know when we last saw Zion, he averaged 27 and 7 and was an All Star. Foot injuries scare me but, if there's a chance to get a talent like Zion on this team, I take the chance


You can’t really say would you take the chance without knowing what they would demand or his health status. We aren’t a desperate team looking for hope anymore.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1985 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:22 am

TheSuzerain wrote:I would absolutely trade for Zion.

Worth the risk


In this moment in what world is he worth the risk?

We have very good team, actually very special and maybe East winner team and you would gut it whole for Zion "Always injured" Williamson???

Its way way to risky...
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1986 » by Onibuh » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:06 am

I gladly take the depth/assets over a gamble with the injury risk. If you trade all this young pieces away, it's for a more sure thing.
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Post#1987 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:56 pm

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I would absolutely trade for Zion.

Worth the risk


In this moment in what world is he worth the risk?

We have very good team, actually very special and maybe East winner team and you would gut it whole for Zion "Always injured" Williamson???

Its way way to risky...

At the moment we have a team with a SRS of 1.4 which is 13th in the league.

Now, that's definitely deflated due to injuries. But I think the people who say we're already contenders or are very close to it are sorely mistaken.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1988 » by PJSteven22 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:44 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I would absolutely trade for Zion.

Worth the risk


In this moment in what world is he worth the risk?

We have very good team, actually very special and maybe East winner team and you would gut it whole for Zion "Always injured" Williamson???

Its way way to risky...

At the moment we have a team with a SRS of 1.4 which is 13th in the league.

Now, that's definitely deflated due to injuries. But I think the people who say we're already contenders or are very close to it are sorely mistaken.

There SRS was around 6th when they were relatively healthy. That’s close to contenders imo.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1989 » by Wingy » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:47 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
In this moment in what world is he worth the risk?

We have very good team, actually very special and maybe East winner team and you would gut it whole for Zion "Always injured" Williamson???

Its way way to risky...

At the moment we have a team with a SRS of 1.4 which is 13th in the league.

Now, that's definitely deflated due to injuries. But I think the people who say we're already contenders or are very close to it are sorely mistaken.

There SRS was around 6th when they were relatively healthy. That’s close to contenders imo.


We never even saw the full PW-less team given Coby was such a wreck early, and then Vuc got covid early and was pretty wrecky himself. Now both are in rhythm.

I doubt Caruso/Lonzo by the nature of their games are going to struggle like Coby assuming health is back. They play a complimentary style. Then anything TT/PW bring is a bonus.

We’re on the fringe of contenders, but I wouldn’t dismiss us.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1990 » by Rowland Garrett » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:38 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:I would absolutely trade for Zion.

Worth the risk


In this moment in what world is he worth the risk?

We have very good team, actually very special and maybe East winner team and you would gut it whole for Zion "Always injured" Williamson???

Its way way to risky...

At the moment we have a team with a SRS of 1.4 which is 13th in the league.

Now, that's definitely deflated due to injuries. But I think the people who say we're already contenders or are very close to it are sorely mistaken.


We shall see.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1991 » by d boy gentleman » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:47 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
d boy gentleman wrote:
Wingy wrote:
Use common sense.

Look at Zion’s body.

Look at his game.

This isn’t going to end well, unfortunately.



If he's over 300 pounds, then I'm right there with you to worry, but we haven't seen Zion lately. But, we do know when we last saw Zion, he averaged 27 and 7 and was an All Star. Foot injuries scare me but, if there's a chance to get a talent like Zion on this team, I take the chance


You can’t really say would you take the chance without knowing what they would demand or his health status. We aren’t a desperate team looking for hope anymore.


That's a given and if their asking price is too high, then keep it moving. I at the very least would think AK would look into it.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1992 » by smokkk » Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:47 am

Wingy wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At the moment we have a team with a SRS of 1.4 which is 13th in the league.

Now, that's definitely deflated due to injuries. But I think the people who say we're already contenders or are very close to it are sorely mistaken.

There SRS was around 6th when they were relatively healthy. That’s close to contenders imo co w duszy gra cda.


We never even saw the full PW-less team given Coby was such a wreck early, and then Vuc got covid early and was pretty wrecky himself. Now both are in rhythm.

I doubt Caruso/Lonzo by the nature of their games are going to struggle like Coby assuming health is back. They play a complimentary style. Then anything TT/PW bring is a bonus.

We’re on the fringe of contenders, but I wouldn’t dismiss us.

Remember that we never even saw the full PW-less team given Coby was such a wreck early, and then Vuc got covid early and was pretty wrecky himself.

Now both are in rhythm.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1993 » by PJSteven22 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:43 pm

smokkk wrote:
Wingy wrote:
PJSteven22 wrote:There SRS was around 6th when they were relatively healthy. That’s close to contenders imo co w duszy gra cda.


We never even saw the full PW-less team given Coby was such a wreck early, and then Vuc got covid early and was pretty wrecky himself. Now both are in rhythm.

I doubt Caruso/Lonzo by the nature of their games are going to struggle like Coby assuming health is back. They play a complimentary style. Then anything TT/PW bring is a bonus.

We’re on the fringe of contenders, but I wouldn’t dismiss us.

Remember that we never even saw the full PW-less team given Coby was such a wreck early, and then Vuc got covid early and was pretty wrecky himself.

Now both are in rhythm.

Yeah. That’s why I said RELATIVELY.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1994 » by kodo » Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:29 pm

It will be interesting to see where Kemba ends up, now that even the Knicks don't want him on a relatively tiny buyout. It's amazing how fast he fell off from being a max signing by Boston. Might be faster than the Iverson drop. I didn't think the contract would age well, but in 2020 Boston w/ Kemba where called contenders for the season after.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1995 » by TheSuzerain » Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:42 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:
In this moment in what world is he worth the risk?

We have very good team, actually very special and maybe East winner team and you would gut it whole for Zion "Always injured" Williamson???

Its way way to risky...

At the moment we have a team with a SRS of 1.4 which is 13th in the league.

Now, that's definitely deflated due to injuries. But I think the people who say we're already contenders or are very close to it are sorely mistaken.

There SRS was around 6th when they were relatively healthy. That’s close to contenders imo.

6-10 seems appropriate to me when healthy.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread # 5 

Post#1996 » by Am2626 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:20 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
pipfan wrote:Here is how it could work
PWill comes back, and looks promising, and White keeps playing well
We trade those 2, plus the rights to our pick and the Port pick for Zion
Zion might "force" a trade to a big market, and he had that commercial with Lavine already

Putting an in shape Zion in our lineup could win us 70 games next year, if we stayed healthy. The lineup would be unstoppable


Zion has played 85 games in 3 seasons…he is in Oden territory.


Zion has gotten to levels Oden has never reached. In the 85 games he has played he’s already made an All Star Team and averaged almost 26 ppg. Oden never came anywhere close to that production.

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