Draymond Green tells the truth on how Warriors recruited Kevin Durant

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Re: Draymond Green tells the truth on how Warriors recruited Kevin Durant 

Post#61 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:49 pm

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LAL1947 wrote:Fixed that for you. :thumbsup: :D


A healthy Warriors team (with Draymond playing all seven games) beats the Lebron Cavs every year, anyway. Props to Lebron for a ridiculous performance to get that ring, but I think the narrative changes if its solely hinged on him beating GS in the 2016 finals.



I watched Lebron almost beat the Warriors in 2015 with a G league team. Draymond was only suspended ONE game and if they were truly better they would’ve closed the Cavs out in game 6 when Draymond came back. They had two chances to close them out with Draymond, what happened. If you replay that series a 100 times the Cavs win 99 of them.


amen.

crazy that anybody every used the draymond excuse or that they still do. draymond was out one game - game 5. are we pretending games 6 and 7 simply didn't happen?
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Post#62 » by rtiff68 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:56 pm

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LAL1947 wrote:Fixed that for you. :thumbsup: :D


A healthy Warriors team (with Draymond playing all seven games) beats the Lebron Cavs every year, anyway. Props to Lebron for a ridiculous performance to get that ring, but I think the narrative changes if its solely hinged on him beating GS in the 2016 finals.



I watched Lebron almost beat the Warriors in 2015 with a G league team.
Draymond was only suspended ONE game and if they were truly better they would’ve closed the Cavs out in game 6 when Draymond came back. They had two chances to close them out with Draymond, what happened. If you replay that series a 100 times the Cavs win 99 of them.


Really? When did this series take place?

I remember that the Warriors beat the Cavaliers in the 2015 NBA Finals in 6 games, with the last 3 games not being especially close.
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Re: Draymond Green tells the truth on how Warriors recruited Kevin Durant 

Post#63 » by boomershadow » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:03 pm

I ended up finding the whole podcast and listened to the whole thing.
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Re: Draymond Green tells the truth on how Warriors recruited Kevin Durant 

Post#64 » by Blaze4G » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:07 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
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LAL1947 wrote:Softest move in all of NBA history. Softest champions in all of NBA history too (the 2nd and 3rd titles, not the 1st one).

I like how he's trying to spin it, saying, "shame on you if you don't want Durant on your team. I'm a winner, I like to win, so I want Durant on my team". Does he expect anyone except GSW fans to respect that? :lol:

Spin it any way you want to, Draymond, but you're leaving out that you had Curry, Klay, Iguodala... and still needed to go recruiting Durant to be a "winner". It's not like Durant came to you saying he wanted to join GSW.

Sure, the Lakers and/or LeBron would never do anything like that.

Can you name another instance where a team who won a finals, just reached the finals again where they were up 3-1, had 4x All-Star caliber players... went and recruited the 2nd best player in the game at that time? There just isn't an equivalent.

So I won't comment on who would've done or not done what... and will just focus on the fact that GSW did exactly that. It was and is the #1 softest move in all of NBA history... own it. :D

Why so salty?

4x All-Star Caliber players? So Barnes averaging 11 points per game that season they lost up 3-1 is an All Star caliber player?

If that's is the case then imagine Lakers having arguably the GOAT Lebron, AD a first team all NBA player, all star caliber D.Howard winning a chip and flaming out the following year because of injuries, decided to go get all star caliber westbrook and Carmelo.
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Post#65 » by LAL1947 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:13 pm

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michaelm wrote:Sure, the Lakers and/or LeBron would never do anything like that.

Can you name another instance where a team who won a finals, just reached the finals again where they were up 3-1, had 4x All-Star caliber players... went and recruited the 2nd best player in the game at that time? There just isn't an equivalent.

So I won't comment on who would've done or not done what... and will just focus on the fact that GSW did exactly that. It was and is the #1 softest move in all of NBA history... own it. :D

Why so salty?

4x All-Star Caliber players? So Barnes averaging 11 points per game that season they lost up 3-1 is an All Star caliber player?

If that's is the case then imagine Lakers having arguably the GOAT Lebron, AD a first team all NBA player, all star caliber D.Howard winning a chip and flaming out the following year because of injuries, decided to go get all star caliber westbrook and Carmelo.

I didn't mean Harrison Barnes... Curry, Klay, Dray and Iggy is 4.
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Post#66 » by Blaze4G » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:17 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
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LAL1947 wrote:Can you name another instance where a team who won a finals, just reached the finals again where they were up 3-1, had 4x All-Star caliber players... went and recruited the 2nd best player in the game at that time? There just isn't an equivalent.

So I won't comment on who would've done or not done what... and will just focus on the fact that GSW did exactly that. It was and is the #1 softest move in all of NBA history... own it. :D

Why so salty?

4x All-Star Caliber players? So Barnes averaging 11 points per game that season they lost up 3-1 is an All Star caliber player?

If that's is the case then imagine Lakers having arguably the GOAT Lebron, AD a first team all NBA player, all star caliber D.Howard winning a chip and flaming out the following year because of injuries, decided to go get all star caliber westbrook and Carmelo.

I didn't mean Harrison Barnes... Curry, Klay, Dray and Iggy is 4.

so Dray averaging 7 points is an All Star Caliber player...interesting. Guess he was getting snubbed.

EDIT: Meant to say Iggy
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Post#67 » by LAL1947 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:20 pm

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Blaze4G wrote:Why so salty?

4x All-Star Caliber players? So Barnes averaging 11 points per game that season they lost up 3-1 is an All Star caliber player?

If that's is the case then imagine Lakers having arguably the GOAT Lebron, AD a first team all NBA player, all star caliber D.Howard winning a chip and flaming out the following year because of injuries, decided to go get all star caliber westbrook and Carmelo.

I didn't mean Harrison Barnes... Curry, Klay, Dray and Iggy is 4.

so Dray averaging 7 points is an All Star Caliber player...interesting. Guess he was getting snubbed.

Oh, are you one of those who judges Dray by his points and not by everything else he does? Bazinga.
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Post#68 » by KrAzY3 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:22 pm

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michaelm wrote:Sure, the Lakers and/or LeBron would never do anything like that.

The truth story is LeBron fans and Lakers (who have assembled super teams multiple times)fans just hate that the Warriors did it better.

Speaking for myself, I give Lebron and Wade similar flak for creating the super-team in Miami.

A point to note though, the Lakers had stacked teams in the 1980s. I think you mean the Spurs, who had the most stacked rosters in the 2000s and won a lot of trophies by doing so... until Boston, Heat and GSW did it better with their super-teams.

There is a massive difference between drafting, building organically a great team and just talking the best free agents into congregating together.

I'm not arguing it's wrong to do it, but it's way different because one requires years of development, evaluation and savvy moves while the other requires a few players going "hey let's go win a championship together". It should be pointed out that the Warriors team was mainly built via the draft, they drafted three of the top four players on the Durant Warriors. The Spurs also evaluated and developed their talent.

So anyway... the Heat? They went out and got LeBron and Bosh, both All-Stars, and added them to Wade the one guy they actually drafted. Then, they added Ray Allen a couple years removed from being an All-Star. While the Cavs did in fact draft LeBron, the Cavs championship involved signing LeBron as a free agent, trading for Love, and only one of the three key players (Kyrie) was someone they kept in the organization.

Now, let's talk about the Lakers. How about the failed attempt to team Malone and Payton up with Shaq and Kobe? It didn't work but mainly because Shaq and Kobe were not getting along. Remember Payton was an All-Star the year before and Malone was a 20 point scorer. That's darn sure an attempt at a super team. Or, how about the failed attempt when they got Howard (Howard forced the trade) and Nash? Now they didn't sign those as free agents, they traded assets but it's still putting four all-stars together, it just didn't work out in part due to injuries. Then we get to the current Laker's core, multiple MVPs, multiple All-Stars, not one of them drafted by the Lakers.

How does any of that compare to the Spurs? The complaint all along with Durant wasn't that he ended up there. If the Warriors drafted him no one would have anything to complain about. They complained because he chose to go there as a destination. That's what people are complaining about, the player's agency (some in some cases, like AD the player is forcing a trade to a particular destination) in creating a super team. It's nothing at all like what the Spurs did but it is very much like what LeBron had done multiple times.

Part of what I find to be hypocritical is that the biggest issue people seem to have with what Durant did is that he did it so well. Even in your response, it's like we're only going to count successful attempts, just trying to stack the deck is fine as long as you suck at it.
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Post#69 » by Blaze4G » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:23 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
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LAL1947 wrote:I didn't mean Harrison Barnes... Curry, Klay, Dray and Iggy is 4.

so Dray averaging 7 points is an All Star Caliber player...interesting. Guess he was getting snubbed.

Oh, are you one of those who judges Dray by his points and not by everything else he does? Bazinga.

woops I meant to say Iggy lol. Dray obviously is the play maker on that team and deserves all star....but Iggy, really?
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Post#70 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:29 pm

Warriors were recruiting KD for about the entire 2016 season.

The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski said the following on a recent podcast:

June 29th, 2016
"Here's the thing that's interesting about Golden State -- their players have been recruiting Kevin Durant all year. And it goes back to early in the season when the Thunder were struggling. And I don't know if Golden State saw them as a peer; I don't know that they saw them as a threat ... Kevin Durant, just like he was hearing from guys in Boston, Washington, different places -- he was hearing from guys on the Warriors about, 'Hey, you can come help take the pressure off of Steph Curry. We need you.' This is when they were running off win after win after win.

"They had him on their mind. He's been on their mind. And it appealed to him. And some of it was text messages, it's a lot of that. But the communication with some of the players in Golden State and Kevin, that's just not just starting now."

"I talked to Draymond Green earlier in the year. We were talking hypothetically about a big free agent. Hey listen -- what player there (in Golden State) would have more to lose if you were looking at it from a selfish point of view, than Draymond Green? He's the third guy, he's still an All-Star. Well, he'll become the fourth guy with Kevin Durant.

"Are you gonna take four All-Stars from Golden State? If Kevin Durant comes, does Draymond Green remain an All-Star? Maybe he does, but maybe not. Would there be less offense for Draymond? Yeah, there's gonna be less offense for everybody.


Yet Draymond has been as adamant as anybody, 'If we can get Kevin Durant, let's get Kevin Durant, because you know why? We will win.'"

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/report-warriors-players-recruited-kevin-durant-all-season
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Post#71 » by LAL1947 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:38 pm

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Blaze4G wrote:so Dray averaging 7 points is an All Star Caliber player...interesting. Guess he was getting snubbed.

Oh, are you one of those who judges Dray by his points and not by everything else he does? Bazinga.

woops I meant to say Iggy lol. Dray obviously is the play maker on that team and deserves all star....but Iggy, really?

Yes, Iggy. Others may feel otherwise but I think Andre Iguodala was still All-Star caliber, even if he didn't get selected. He could bail his team out when scoring was needed (having been the #1 option in Philly after Iverson left) and defended the opposing team's best forward or shooting guard. I don't need to tell GSW fans about that though, they already know.

An extremely valuable player to me because I don't just look at names. Unlike some of y'all who are trying to bring up 40-year old Karl Malone, 38-year old Nash and 36-year old Gary Payton as examples of "super-team" building. :P
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Post#72 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:44 pm

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LAL1947 wrote:Softest move in all of NBA history. Softest champions in all of NBA history too (the 2nd and 3rd titles, not the 1st one).

I like how he's trying to spin it, saying, "shame on you if you don't want Durant on your team. I'm a winner, I like to win, so I want Durant on my team". Does he expect anyone except GSW fans to respect that? :lol:

Spin it any way you want to, Draymond, but you're leaving out that you had Curry, Klay, Iguodala... and still needed to go recruiting Durant to be a "winner". It's not like Durant came to you saying he wanted to join GSW.


Agree, soft move. There's been other soft moves by superstars in the past though...aside from the obvious LeBron to Heat, one that's often overlooked is Kobe demanding a trade unless he got another star / roster improvement.

What's the difference between saying "I want to be traded unless you bring me another star" (Kobe) vs. leaving the team as a free agent and pairing up with a star yourself (LeBron) vs. Signing a star free agent in the offseason (Warriors)? In all 3 cases a superstar(s) wants to improve his team.

There's different levels to everything.

On a scale of 1-100 (with 1 being least amount of softness and 100 being the highest):

1-10: Kobe threatening the Lakers FO after they surrounded him with utter crap and wasted 3 years of his prime (5 years, if you include the 2 seasons where Shaq was being petty and lazy), in an attempt to get them to do something right? Btw, Pau was no star when they brought him from Memphis, a good player but not a star. Let's also not forget that the Lakers gave Marc Gasol to get Pau Gasol.

80-90: Lebron teaming up with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami to beat Boston's big-three.

50-75: Lebron joining Kyrie and Kevin Love in Cleveland after depleting the Heat's assets.

100: GSW recruiting Kevin Durant despite having Curry, Klay, Draymond, Iguodala, and Harrison Barnes as an RFA... and for Durant to sign there too. Even softer than Charmin. :P

25-50: Lebron joining a lottery Lakers team... then trading Ingram, Lonzo, Hart, 3x 1st round pics, 2x 1st round swaps for Anthony Davis and building a roster from the FA scrap heap. Anyone really want Rondo, McGee, Dwight, Avery Bradley at that time?

110 Kobe refusing to play for the Nets while telling Calapari he won't sign if they did draft him. Said he would only sign with the LAL.
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Post#73 » by righterwriter » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:56 pm

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A healthy Warriors team (with Draymond playing all seven games) beats the Lebron Cavs every year, anyway. Props to Lebron for a ridiculous performance to get that ring, but I think the narrative changes if its solely hinged on him beating GS in the 2016 finals.



I watched Lebron almost beat the Warriors in 2015 with a G league team. Draymond was only suspended ONE game and if they were truly better they would’ve closed the Cavs out in game 6 when Draymond came back. They had two chances to close them out with Draymond, what happened. If you replay that series a 100 times the Cavs win 99 of them.


amen.

crazy that anybody every used the draymond excuse or that they still do. draymond was out one game - game 5. are we pretending games 6 and 7 simply didn't happen?


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Post#74 » by LAL1947 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:00 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:110 Kobe refusing to play for the Nets while telling Calapari he won't sign if they did draft him. Said he would only sign with the LAL.

Oh c'mon now, that was a BOSS move! At 17-years old, not even old enough to sign a contract and dictating things to teams already, lol. Didn't do an hour long TV show to announce the decision either. Mamba mentality. 8-)

KD should've joined the Lakers in 2016, he would've been the perfect player for Kobe to pass the torch on to, with both being top-shelf scorers. :P
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Post#75 » by Cubbies2120 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:03 pm

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An extremely valuable player to me because I don't just look at names. Unlike some of y'all who are trying to bring up 40-year old Karl Malone, 38-year old Nash and 36-year old Gary Payton as examples of "super-team" building. :P


None of those players were near their prime, but still significantly valuable contributors.

Malone just the year prior to taking reduced role with Lkaers was putting up 20/8/4. With the Lakers, he was putting up 13/9/4.
Gary Payton was putting up 15/4/6.

Ignoring the names of the players and what their previous primes were, those were amazing numbers in 2004 for a 3rd and 4th option.. If they were Kobe's 2nd and 3rd option, you'd have a leg to stand on though..
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Post#76 » by Cubbies2120 » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:06 pm

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The4thHorseman wrote:110 Kobe refusing to play for the Nets while telling Calapari he won't sign if they did draft him. Said he would only sign with the LAL.

Oh c'mon now, that was a BOSS move! At 17-years old, not even old enough to sign a contract and dictating things to teams already, lol. Didn't do an hour long TV show to announce the decision either. Mamba mentality. 8-)


My head is spinning trying to follow the goalposts you're moving :lol: You're trolling at this point.

Kobe, ON the court, was anything but soft.

Kobe, OFF the court, was soft as charmin. Snitching on teammates personal lives (didn't we all criticize D'lo for snitching on Young?), pouting if he didn't get the team he wanted (Nets), pouting and demanding a trade. Cmon bruh :lol:
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Post#77 » by Rodwilliams » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:37 pm

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A healthy Warriors team (with Draymond playing all seven games) beats the Lebron Cavs every year, anyway. Props to Lebron for a ridiculous performance to get that ring, but I think the narrative changes if its solely hinged on him beating GS in the 2016 finals.



I watched Lebron almost beat the Warriors in 2015 with a G league team.
Draymond was only suspended ONE game and if they were truly better they would’ve closed the Cavs out in game 6 when Draymond came back. They had two chances to close them out with Draymond, what happened. If you replay that series a 100 times the Cavs win 99 of them.


Really? When did this series take place?

I remember that the Warriors beat the Cavaliers in the 2015 NBA Finals in 6 games, with the last 3 games not being especially close.



The Warriors started playing better when they made an adjustment by putting Iguodala hence Iggy winning the Finals MVP. He played a huge role for them on both offense and defense and all around play. It says a lot though if you have to make an adjustment against Lebron and a bunch of G leaguers to bear them. If they don’t make adjustment series could’ve went 7 games or Lebron pulling off a possibly upset.
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Post#78 » by Pharmcat » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:41 pm

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LAL1947 wrote:Softest move in all of NBA history. Softest champions in all of NBA history too (the 2nd and 3rd titles, not the 1st one).

I like how he's trying to spin it, saying, "shame on you if you don't want Durant on your team. I'm a winner, I like to win, so I want Durant on my team". Does he expect anyone except GSW fans to respect that? :lol:

Spin it any way you want to, Draymond, but you're leaving out that you had Curry, Klay, Iguodala... and still needed to go recruiting Durant to be a "winner". It's not like Durant came to you saying he wanted to join GSW.


So you guys are telling me if you were fans of a team with the exact same situation, and had a front office that had set the team up for the opportunity to be able to sign KD through planning over the last couple of years, with players that were friends with him, that you would have rooted against your team signing KD?

Whats the point of ever recruiting players that might make the team better in the off season then? Or are teams only supposed to recruit up to the point of making the team marginally better but not strongest team possible?

You guys are all hypocrites if you wanted KD on your team but are criticizing the Warriors for actually being able to have landed him.

And that narrative that the Warriors went crawling on their knees crying and begging is ridiculous, these guys were already friends and both had just experienced disappointing losses to their seasons, of course there was interest on both sides on making this happen and making their lives easier in the upcoming seasons.

I understand the salt, but dont act like you guys wouldnt welcome him with open arms on your team. I actually liked how the team played before he came, but it was always intriguing to see how good we would be if he joined, and it was nice to get a couple of extra titles.



We all know draymond went crying to the parking lot telling Durant to join them after game 7 loss. It’s been widely reported before. The funniest part to me is how the warriors pumped and dumped Durant, called him the five letter B word, and ran him out of town
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Post#79 » by Pharmcat » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:43 pm

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Gorilla Monsoon wrote:Blame LeBron.


Yup, if he didn't come back from 3-1 and beat the Warriors they may not have felt the need to go after Durant.


A 73 win team went crying to Durant to beat Lebron. Goes to show why Lebron is a goat. I don’t recall Malone telling kemp or Payton to join him to beat Jordan
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Post#80 » by Haldi » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:47 pm

Gorilla Monsoon wrote:Blame LeBron. He changed the culture of the entire league, and gave guys like Durant every excuse to want to control where they play and who they play with in order to create and preserve their own legacy.

I also don't blame KD for wanting to get far away from Westbrook to play a more team-oriented style of basketball. That in itself is respectable.

So... you leave OKC and become a free agent that year. Where the hell else are you going to sign? The dysfunctional Phil Jackson-led Knicks? Dude went and got himself two titles with GS. And he did it as humbly as possible, without hogging the spotlight from anyone, and without an entire TV show dedicated to his "decision". Don't tell me it's the softest move ever. 2010 will always be a much bigger black eye for the league IMO.


This is the part people can’t seem to understand with all their hate blinding logic on this subject. If you actually watched that OKC vs GS series, you can see Durant and Westbrook arguing several times during game 6 and game 7. There’s moments during timeouts where their arguing and the very next play is just a frustration pass or shot. If you actually know anything about basketball, hell even just team sports, you can tell these two would not and should not ever play on the same team again, and they didn’t.

Now, here in this very special population of people who claim they know all there is to know about basketball… there’s two groups of haters of this move by Durant. There’s the group that thinks Durant should’ve stayed in OKC, which I mentioned above why that made no sense at all… and then there’s the group that wishes Durant went to Boston for whatever reason, or some even crappier team. A lot of people seem to forget it wasn’t every team that could sign Durant that year. Also, and equally important, is Durant wanted to compete for a title “NOW” at that point in his career, so going to Boston with Isiah ( out of the league a year or so after ), young Jaylen and Tatum ( i think he had just been drafted ) who werent at all ready to compete right away like Durant wanted, Jae Crowder and Al Horford is far from world beaters and not even gonna be a shoe in contender. This is Durants best other option for a title… what a joke.

Now, to all the Lakers fans hating on this, with all of your “organically” built superteams, whatever the f that means lol. Every ten years or so, you know you have titles coming your way, and if it looks like it might not happen, don’t you worry, someone will make damn sure and it does. And the Lebron super fans hating on this… well your guy is the reason he did this lol, which, just be clear, I have nothing against either.

Staying in OKC or going to Boston or an even lesser team were always dumber choices than GS, but lets just all keep calling KD dumb nicknames like “snake” lol

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