College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[thebuzzardman]

He fits right into that mold of being very good, but not good enough to build around, and his game is too hard to build with as a complimentary piece

If he could even shoot for average from 3 off the catch, he'd be significantly more valuable.

This is dangerously close to a Chanel style opinion

I mean, the way I look at it is, as long as you can hit 3s, we can find a role for you

If you can't hit 3s and aren't a C, then you kind of need to be the primary ball handler, and if you're not efficient enough, you really can't do that

So a guy like Murray, while talented, can't shoot so he needs to be the primary guy, but because he's rather inefficient, it's hard to justify him being the primary guy

Difference with RJ is, RJ can shoot so he doesn't have to be the primary guy, he can function as a secondary/tertiary guy cause he can spot up when he isn't handling the ball.

Well, he beats up RJ with it, but on the plus side he kills Randle with it as well.

I think he's on to something that it's not the best idea to have the two of them together.
I know which one I'd rather see go and it's not RJ.

[2010]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

[mpharris36]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

yes

[whocares1]

Yea, he keeps getting better too. I wouldnt sleep on him eventually at least improving his 3 ball. Def was one of the more underrated players in the league and just starting to get his due with an all-star appearance. I think he is just going to get better and better. He has been beasting lately.

I am just not sure his cost or if he is even available at this point. May have missed a chance to buy low a bit ago.

Yeah at this point he's not worth trading a ton of assets for. You probably needed to invest him him a year or 2 ago.

We just have to get lucky and get in the top 4 of this lottery or we are in for another disappointing year because no one wants our crap.

Either way the Knicks need to find a PG...either in the draft, free agency, trade...They need to look everywhere. We can't have broken down Kemba or Burks/IQ masquerading as PGs anymore. It drags down the entire team. Cant really depend on Rose either. Its crazy how the Knicks pass up good option after good option.

TyTy actually does seem like a decent option depending on how the draft shapes up (independent of Murray). I am sure he will be on the Knicks radar. Other then him seems like a pretty weak PG draft and we should still go best available.

Yea as bad as we need a point guard, a transcendent talent at any position is far more important.

[Knicksfan1992]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

Kid has the juice for sure. I just wonder how translatable the shot really is and if he's a good enough passer to be a lead guard.

[mpharris36]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

Kid has the juice for sure. I just wonder how translatable the shot really is and if he's a good enough passer to be a lead guard.

I wouldn't consider Donovan Mitchell a great passer but his scoring gravity lets him fall into 5 assists a game.

I think Ivey has that similar type of scoring gravity to put enough pressure on the defense he will just fall into 5+ assists.

Might be ideal to have another guard next to him that can shoot and playmake as well...but I think he will be a guy you give the ball to late and let him work like Spida.

[2010]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

Kid has the juice for sure. I just wonder how translatable the shot really is and if he's a good enough passer to be a lead guard.

I don’t really fret over his shot being too mechanical. The biggest thing is he is likely the best on the ball athlete in the draft and that’s something we desperately need. The shot will come in time. But this team just needs someone who imposes his will, gets the ball out of Randle’s hands, and forces us to play faster. I also like that Ivey has a dominant personality and will challenge Randle’s apha personality.

As for passing, he is not a pure point or pass-first guy by any stretch of the imagination. But he is a scoring guard who will facilitate with high usage in the prime Westbrook / DRose mold. I think he is actually a bit better passer than Rose tho. He will put pressure on the rim and is great at driving and kicking out to shooters. He’s gonna be high turnovers but you will live with it.

[2010]

For his passing and playmaking ability, watch from the 2:05 mark onward of this scouring video.

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[jvsimonetti0514]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

I wouldn't sleep on Johnny Davis either. Ivey's great, don't get me wrong and the Knicks are desperately in need of his athleticism but Davis is a serious scorer in isolation and a great defender.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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I know mocks don't really mean anything at this point but kinda surprised to see Chandler falling down so many boards.

[Knicksfan1992]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

Kid has the juice for sure. I just wonder how translatable the shot really is and if he's a good enough passer to be a lead guard.

I wouldn't consider Donovan Mitchell a great passer but his scoring gravity lets him fall into 5 assists a game.

I think Ivey has that similar type of scoring gravity to put enough pressure on the defense he will just fall into 5+ assists.

Might be ideal to have another guard next to him that can shoot and playmake as well...but I think he will be a guy you give the ball to late and let him work like Spida.

I like Ivey don't get me wrong but I think there are real concerns there. Not everyone transforms their game like Spida did when he left college.

I love his explosion, ability to finish and ability to pass out of drives, but that part to me isn't elite and that's what worries me. That's the difference between him and Ja coming out for example. Ja had similar shot concerns coming out, but everyone knew he was an ELITE passer. Ivey is a couple steps below that IMO. I also wonder how much the off the dribble jumper comes along given his mechanics. For Ja, it didn't matter because he's so overwhelmingly athletic that he can get to the floater or attack the rim at will. Also Memphis has done a good job mitigating his pull up shooting concerns by surrounding him with pull up threats on the wing and a stretch big in JJJ...I worry if Ivey doesn't have the right infrastructure and he's not overly athletic enough he could struggle to score or playmake efficiently at the next level.

That said I think he's as good of a bet as anyone in this draft to be a stud and I agree with 2010 that he's a GREAT fit for where the Knicks are at in their team build. I just think his floor is a little lower than the other top guys to me.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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I know mocks don't really mean anything at this point but kinda surprised to see Chandler falling down so many boards.

He's only 6 feet tall and is shooting 33% from three and a horrific 64% from the line, a player that small shooting that poorly from the line is a troubling sign.


If you're going to be that size you have to be a dead eye shooter now.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yeah at this point he's not worth trading a ton of assets for. You probably needed to invest him him a year or 2 ago.

We just have to get lucky and get in the top 4 of this lottery or we are in for another disappointing year because no one wants our crap.

Either way the Knicks need to find a PG...either in the draft, free agency, trade...They need to look everywhere. We can't have broken down Kemba or Burks/IQ masquerading as PGs anymore. It drags down the entire team. Cant really depend on Rose either. Its crazy how the Knicks pass up good option after good option.

TyTy actually does seem like a decent option depending on how the draft shapes up (independent of Murray). I am sure he will be on the Knicks radar. Other then him seems like a pretty weak PG draft and we should still go best available.

Honestly we should do everything in our power to try and get Scoot Henderson if we are going to go the draft route.

Scoot does look real nice too. He's still not available until 2023 though, right?

[2010]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

I wouldn't sleep on Johnny Davis either. Ivey's great, don't get me wrong and the Knicks are desperately in need of his athleticism but Davis is a serious scorer in isolation and a great defender.

He cool but he is more of a wing. Which creates some overlap with Grimes, RJ, Reddish, etc. currently developing in that area. We need a playmaking guard. To me Ivey is the best talent and fit.

[2010]

I’m just gonna hope we finally jump up and can nab Ivey. He is the guy we need.

I wouldn't sleep on Johnny Davis either. Ivey's great, don't get me wrong and the Knicks are desperately in need of his athleticism but Davis is a serious scorer in isolation and a great defender.

One more thing, I watched a scout video that said his isolation scoring is actually not good according to their analytics. That and finishing were his two weak areas.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Ivey jumper is mechanical but IDGAF!!!!

I’d draft this kid and run… give him the keys and let him be a playmaking lead guard. He like a young Westbrook (not gonna let y’all brainwash me into thinking that’s a bad thing either).

If we can walk out of this draft with the lottery gods allowing us to jump up and land this kid, or Chet we’d fix all the things we fucced up on over the years.

If we stand pat, the pick is TyTy.

Ivey, Chet or TyTy is we dont move up seems like a good plan.

Its hard for me to get too excited about anyone outside the top 5 but TyTy may be the best option for us.

[mpharris36]

Either way the Knicks need to find a PG...either in the draft, free agency, trade...They need to look everywhere. We can't have broken down Kemba or Burks/IQ masquerading as PGs anymore. It drags down the entire team. Cant really depend on Rose either. Its crazy how the Knicks pass up good option after good option.

TyTy actually does seem like a decent option depending on how the draft shapes up (independent of Murray). I am sure he will be on the Knicks radar. Other then him seems like a pretty weak PG draft and we should still go best available.

Honestly we should do everything in our power to try and get Scoot Henderson if we are going to go the draft route.

Scoot does look real nice too. He's still not available until 2023 though, right?

correct he's in 2023 class.

[2010]

Ivey jumper is mechanical but IDGAF!!!!

I’d draft this kid and run… give him the keys and let him be a playmaking lead guard. He like a young Westbrook (not gonna let y’all brainwash me into thinking that’s a bad thing either).

If we can walk out of this draft with the lottery gods allowing us to jump up and land this kid, or Chet we’d fix all the things we fucced up on over the years.

If we stand pat, the pick is TyTy.

Ivey, Chet or TyTy is we dont move up seems like a good plan.

Its hard for me to get too excited about anyone outside the top 5 but TyTy may be the best option for us.

What I like about TyTy is he’s already a killer in the midrange. That’s the area the most refined and clutch go-to scorers develop, yet he has that in his bag already. He also has the floater in his bag already, which is another tough shot most young pups struggle to refine.

What he lacks is elite explosiveness and finishing over length. But he is crafty, plays at his own pace, is deceptively strong, and got some long arms. I believe he can develop into a SGA type but in a more compact physical package being a full-time point guard where as SGA now spends more time as a shooting guard.

[DOT]

Dread it

Run from it

Destiny arrives all the same

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select:

Spoiler:

Keegan Murray, PF, Iowa

[god shammgod]

Dread it

Run from it

Destiny arrives all the same

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select:

Spoiler:

Keegan Murray, PF, Iowa

yeah. i refuse to participate in this thread until i see where that pick is. i'll wait until then, and if we happen to move up then i'll cram for the test.