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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#141 » by semjazy » Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:55 pm

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why would you nuke something that’s about to be your own territory by the end of the week?

They don't have to use nukes. They took control of Chernobyl. They may threaten that if they do not give up, there will be an "accident" and nuclear waste will flow to Kyiv


Or Moscow. If the wind shifts. That would be a wildly insane move.

TBH, I don't think it could spread by air nowadays. I meant the contamination of the Pripyat River that flows into Kyiv
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#142 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:14 pm

There are numerous reports that the Russian ground forces have low morale. The leader may have Hitler'esque tendencies, but Putin isnt throwing the same type of men into battle. Hitler had men that were fully convinced they were going against sub humans and cowards. These Russian troops are going against fellow Slavs with shared culture.

End of the day it will come down to who is willing to die for their country, even above weapon supremacy this is what wins and loses wars. Russians wont be, Ukrainians will.

Likely becomes unconventional but when guerilla fighting starts the Russians are absolutely screwed. The fog of war in this type of quick strike is high, but when it slows down and the guerilla fighting starts, with likely indiscriminate Russian response and civilian death, the world will turn even harsher against Russia. Its alot easier to send pictures of carnage against Ukranians when the situation bogs down vs right now. Its going to get very ugly, but I think in the end Putin has finally overplayed his hand.

Also, the more Javelins the Ukranians can get the quicker this ends.

Also also, as this goes worse for Russia, and it will, expect Navalny to end up dead in jail.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#143 » by Galvationknicks » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:21 pm

Saw on CNN that Russian forces took an airbase 20 miles from the capital. I live in nassau county and coney island is 20 miles away. It's getting real there.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#144 » by semjazy » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:28 pm

Galvationknicks wrote:Saw on CNN that Russian forces took an airbase 20 miles from the capital. I live in nassau county and coney island is 20 miles away. It's getting real there.

When? An hour ago there was information that the Gostomel airport had been recaptured
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#145 » by semjazy » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:32 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:There are numerous reports that the Russian ground forces have low morale. The leader may have Hitler'esque tendencies, but Putin isnt throwing the same type of men into battle. Hitler had men that were fully convinced they were going against sub humans and cowards. These Russian troops are going against fellow Slavs with shared culture.

End of the day it will come down to who is willing to die for their country, even above weapon supremacy this is what wins and loses wars. Russians wont be, Ukrainians will.

Likely becomes unconventional but when guerilla fighting starts the Russians are absolutely screwed. The fog of war in this type of quick strike is high, but when it slows down and the guerilla fighting starts, with likely indiscriminate Russian response and civilian death, the world will turn even harsher against Russia. Its alot easier to send pictures of carnage against Ukranians when the situation bogs down vs right now. Its going to get very ugly, but I think in the end Putin has finally overplayed his hand.

Also, the more Javelins the Ukranians can get the quicker this ends.

Also also, as this goes worse for Russia, and it will, expect Navalny to end up dead in jail.


Exactly. Putin must win within 5 days. Otherwise, there will be "night funerals"* again, and this will not appeal to the Russian population

* soldiers' funerals held at night at which the family is informed at the last minute to limit the number of participants in the ceremony in order to cover up losses
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#146 » by Galvationknicks » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:43 pm

semjazy wrote:
Galvationknicks wrote:Saw on CNN that Russian forces took an airbase 20 miles from the capital. I live in nassau county and coney island is 20 miles away. It's getting real there.

When? An hour ago there was information that the Gostomel airport had been recaptured

It was around 1pm on YouTube. Wow to Ukrainian forces to recapture it already.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#147 » by mpharris36 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:00 pm

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Galvationknicks wrote:Saw on CNN that Russian forces took an airbase 20 miles from the capital. I live in nassau county and coney island is 20 miles away. It's getting real there.

When? An hour ago there was information that the Gostomel airport had been recaptured

It was around 1pm on YouTube. Wow to Ukrainian forces to recapture it already.


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#148 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:06 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:There are numerous reports that the Russian ground forces have low morale. The leader may have Hitler'esque tendencies, but Putin isnt throwing the same type of men into battle. Hitler had men that were fully convinced they were going against sub humans and cowards. These Russian troops are going against fellow Slavs with shared culture.

End of the day it will come down to who is willing to die for their country, even above weapon supremacy this is what wins and loses wars. Russians wont be, Ukrainians will.

Likely becomes unconventional but when guerilla fighting starts the Russians are absolutely screwed. The fog of war in this type of quick strike is high, but when it slows down and the guerilla fighting starts, with likely indiscriminate Russian response and civilian death, the world will turn even harsher against Russia. Its alot easier to send pictures of carnage against Ukranians when the situation bogs down vs right now. Its going to get very ugly, but I think in the end Putin has finally overplayed his hand.

Also, the more Javelins the Ukranians can get the quicker this ends.

Also also, as this goes worse for Russia, and it will, expect Navalny to end up dead in jail.


Exactly. Putin must win within 5 days. Otherwise, there will be "night funerals"* again, and this will not appeal to the Russian population

* soldiers' funerals held at night at which the family is informed at the last minute to limit the number of participants in the ceremony in order to cover up losses


They will never break the will of Ukraine in 5 days. There isnt an end game where Russia wins outright and installs a stable puppet within the next decade. It would take a quarter million plus Russian boots in Ukraine to even maintain a false sense of stability, and not only can the Russians not afford that monetarily but constant media portrayals of Russians clearly occoupying the country will cause even worse blowback.

There will be Russian columns ambushed with IED's, soldiers in the cities killed by faceless partisans in the alleyways, etc, etc. And all this with the underbelly of the 1st world powers (IE CIA, MI6) providing tremendously lethal military hardware. Iraq and Afghanistan barely if at all had a unifying national identity and they pushed us out while getting Soviet era arms. Ukrainians have a well entrenched national identity and will be getting 2022 tech from the democratic powers. Its not winnable for Putin, I simply dont see any way it is in the long run.

Putin overplayed and he simply cant win. The real question is how many die needlessly before this end goal is realized.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#149 » by evevale » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:29 pm

just wanted to say that i shamelessly stole select bits from this thread in conversations with my friends/co-workers in regards to this topic i largely know very little about. they were very, very impressed by how much i pretended to know

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#150 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:58 pm

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I work for an investment bank that relocated much of its back-office operations to Poland over a decade ago. There is no way that Putin will be able to restore the former Soviet Union. But he may indeed attempt to do so - before recognizing that he has taken on more than he can chew.

And if Putin wants to know why so many of the former Soviet satellites joined NATO, this invasion is why.

The United States and NATO had zero designs on Russia - I mean, Russia is a nuclear power - but Putin clearly retains designs on those states that once were part of the Soviet sphere of influence.


Any business meetings planned for Krakow in the near future?


Our offices are in Warsaw and Wroclaw; personally, I'm refusing to even go on the subway if I have a choice, so there's no way I'm heading to Eastern Europe any time soon!


Yeah, stay off those subway platforms. Yikes.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#151 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:00 am

evevale wrote:just wanted to say that i shamelessly stole select bits from this thread in conversations with my friends/co-workers in regards to this topic i largely know very little about. they were very, very impressed by how much i pretended to know

thanks realgm


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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#152 » by dakomish23 » Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:08 am

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#153 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:33 am

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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#154 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:57 am

Anti-war protests in Russia.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russia-arrests-anti-war-protesters_n_6217dc4be4b0f800ce1e2516

A rare sight graced the streets of Russia Thursday after the country unleashed a wave of unprovoked violence on neighboring Ukraine: protesters.

Anti-war demonstrations broke out in major cities across the country, including Moscow, where videos show a significant security force deployed to quell dissent, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

The Kremlin took aggressive action to stifle the protests. Videos shared on social media show police officers almost immediately arresting anyone participating.

Some 1,745 people in 54 Russian cities were detained Thursday, at least 957 of them in Moscow, according to The Associated Press.
“I know that right now many of you feel desperation, helplessness, shame over Vladimir Putin’s attack on the friendly nation of Ukraine. But I urge you not to despair,” human rights activist Marina Litvinovich said in a video statement on Facebook, calling for mass protests Thursday evening.

“We, the Russian people, are against the war Putin has unleashed. We don’t support this war, it is being waged not on our behalf.”

Russian police detained Litvinovich soon after as she left her Moscow apartment.
“I am embarrassed for my country. To be honest with you, I am speechless. War is always scary. We don’t want this,” Nikita Golubev, a 30-year-old teacher, told The Guardian in Moscow. “Why are we doing this?”

Russians who participate in “unsanctioned protests” such as these do so at significant personal risk, including jail time and substantial fines.

The Telegraph’s Russia correspondent Nataliya Vasilyeva said protesters have been taken away “indiscriminately” and that she was briefly detained despite repeatedly saying she was a journalist.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#155 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:32 am

This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.
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Post#156 » by F N 11 » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:42 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

All major dictators who try to flex their muscle always fall. We all hate rules but there are rules for a reason.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#157 » by 8516knicks » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:42 am

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Stannis wrote:How big will this get? Will we be looking at a world war here?


To have a world war we should look back to the past, 1930s, when USA was a "neutral state".

While Biden is giving Putin a pass to invade Ukraine, will he blink an eye if PRC attacks Taiwan?

That's what I'm wondering as well.

Afghanistan.
Ukraine.

Xi has to be eyeing Tawain here and probably Japan as well.


Read some analysis recently (or saw it on youtube :noway: ) which indicated the PRC going after Taiwan is not the slam dunk you'd initially think. Unless they elect Thibs!
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#158 » by 8516knicks » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:44 am

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Stannis wrote:That's what I'm wondering as well.

Afghanistan.
Ukraine.

Xi has to be eyeing Tawain here and probably Japan as well.


For Taiwan, Wall Street may have a say on protecting them due to Taiwan SemiConductor is shaping today's IT infrastructure, but maybe that's it. If Wall street says nothing then Taiwan is over.

Then North Korea may think it is time to have a unified Korea as well.

And if still no resistance, the next would probably be Poland or Baltic countries.


Yeah, I've been having this chat with family and they think Russia won't try to take Poland or Romania after Ukraine becuase they are in NATO. Wars start because treaties are broken. And I honestly see the west turning a blind eye if that were to happen.


This. Again youtube (Cambridge level scholars) still debate if WW1 was avoidable.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#159 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:44 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:This will be Putin’s downfall. I believe he horribly miscalculated here. He’s surrounded only by “Yes” men who are afraid to offer their honest opinions of this war for fear of “repercussions”.

All major dictators who try to flex their muscle always fall. We all hate rules but there are rules for a reason.

Putin is drunk with power. Mini-Hitler syndrome. I would pay to watch his beheading.
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Re: OT: Russia-Ukraine War 

Post#160 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:47 am

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Stannis wrote:
matchman wrote:
To have a world war we should look back to the past, 1930s, when USA was a "neutral state".

While Biden is giving Putin a pass to invade Ukraine, will he blink an eye if PRC attacks Taiwan?

That's what I'm wondering as well.

Afghanistan.
Ukraine.

Xi has to be eyeing Tawain here and probably Japan as well.


Read some analysis recently (or saw it on youtube :noway: ) which indicated the PRC going after Taiwan is not the slam dunk you'd initially think. Unless they elect Thibs!


My sauces tell me that Xi wants to avoid problems with the US. China is more concerned with its own economic well-being

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