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Post#521 » by Negrodamus » Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:17 pm

bargara wrote:There’s no secret about Harden’s weight

He doesn’t train in the off season & plays his way to fitness

He faked an injury in Brooklyn before demanding a trade & has been training ever since

Hardly a mystery

He will be good to go tomorrow


I was going to say poop cycle, but that makes sense too.
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Post#522 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:27 pm

Sixersftw wrote:Now the hammy's are balanced, as all things should be.

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Post#524 » by Ksny13 » Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:27 pm

With the NYC mandate about to get lifted soon it appears JH has bet on himself. Beating Brooklyn in the playoffs would completely change the medias narrative of his career.
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Post#525 » by SixthStreet » Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:39 pm

I suppose there's been this myth perpetuated that Harden doesn't shoot well in CnS 3s, but I found this thread on a Rockets forum that seems to blow the myth to pieces.

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/james-harden-catch-and-shoot-threes-2015-2020.308256/

That said, he's only 12-40 in CnS 3s this season. He will absolutely have to increase his willingness to let them fly and he can't only want to shoot them off the dribble.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals
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Post#526 » by Arsenal » Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:10 pm

SixthStreet wrote:I suppose there's been this myth perpetuated that Harden doesn't shoot well in CnS 3s, but I found this thread on a Rockets forum that seems to blow the myth to pieces.

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/james-harden-catch-and-shoot-threes-2015-2020.308256/

That said, he's only 12-40 in CnS 3s this season. He will absolutely have to increase his willingness to let them fly and he can't only want to shoot them off the dribble.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals


I don't see an issue. He was carrying a bunch of scrubs most of the year so it's not a surprise he didn't get a lot of good C&S looks.

Playing w/Embiid's gravity should create opportunities.

More important for everyone else (esp. Maxey and Tobias) to let it fly...
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Post#527 » by LloydFree » Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:38 pm

SixthStreet wrote:I suppose there's been this myth perpetuated that Harden doesn't shoot well in CnS 3s, but I found this thread on a Rockets forum that seems to blow the myth to pieces.

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/james-harden-catch-and-shoot-threes-2015-2020.308256/

That said, he's only 12-40 in CnS 3s this season. He will absolutely have to increase his willingness to let them fly and he can't only want to shoot them off the dribble.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201935/shots-dash/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals

Harden is the PG. His catch-&-shoot attempts and success aren't of any critical significance to this team's success. It's Maxey and Tobias Harris, who have to make their catch-&-shoot opportunities count, because they won't have the ball in their hands anymore.
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Post#528 » by SixthStreet » Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:40 pm

Harden has to carry some of the CnS load to optimize Embiid, especially as he's one of the best pure shooters on this roster. It's overly simplistic thinking a PG doesn't need to be proficient at it on an Embiid-centric roster.
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Post#529 » by LloydFree » Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:09 pm

SixthStreet wrote:Harden has to carry some of the CnS load to optimize Embiid, especially as he's one of the best pure shooters on this roster. It's overly simplistic thinking a PG doesn't need to be proficient at it on an Embiid-centric roster.

Harden being proficient at C&S is different than it being important to this team. A PG needing to be great at C&S, is only important/necessary if he can't create shots for himself or others (like Pat Beverly). Harden doesn't have to be great at C&S, because very rarely is he going to be the man left wide open from an Embiid double team. If the ball gets back to Harden, from Embiid, chances are he's going to have to beat a Defender off the dribble anyway.
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Post#530 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:41 pm

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Was it all the same hamstring? I heard the most reason one was to the other leg.


I think it was his left hamstring, which was the same one as last year if i recall.


Nope last year was the right hamstring


Yep you're right.

He should be fine though. He never pulled up lame in any of the games he played in prior to shutting it down so I doubt he's at any serious risk.
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Post#531 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:51 pm

76ciology wrote:Watched some recent Nets-Wolves game
- he plays a lot of SF, i dont know if its because he is struggling or Nets need more shooting because of non shooting 4&5s
- Nets run a lot of small guys at PF like Edwards, Brown or James Johnson.
- Harden can score if he wants to but he plays more of a facilitator with the Nets. But I just find it that he seems out of rhythm when he has to shift to being a scorer.


He played primarily PG, but he struggled a lot because of the lack of spacing due to no Joe Harris and no Kyrie.
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Post#532 » by mjkvol » Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:59 pm

Prokorov wrote:I don't think Harden/Embiid should be a big concern. Harden said day 1 on the Nets he didnt like having such a huge scoring burden on him in Houston, and then kind of proved it embracing a PG role and taking a back seat to Kyrie as a scorer. In fact he only really seemed unhappy here once KD/Kyrie were out and he had that big load to carry again. It worked out great for both of them year 1... So Harden im sure is fine taking less shots then Joel. Their games may not mesh but neither did Harden/KD but they are both so great and efficient it didnt matter... it was ugly offense, but it was 125 points per 100 possesions ugly i.e. the best offense in league history.

So maybe its alot of alternating who attacks and not some seamless warriors/spurs ball, but it will still likely be great offense, even if the fit stinks, which it probably wont.

The only real short term concern I see with Harden is the hamstring. Most nets fans said it was BS and he just wanted out, but it seems clear now he tweaked something. earlier in the year people just said he lost a step but it clearly the hamstring was bothering him. he reaggravated it 3 times last year, again in the playoffs, and according to injury reports twice this year.

His biggest issue this year wasnt the refs... it was lack of explosiveness on his jumper and at the rim. if he is healthy, i expect him to look like last year.


This won't be a popular take here, but I would be just fine if Harden didn't suit up until the next home game, which is Wednesday against the Knicks. I want him back when he's as close to 100% as he can be, because coming back tomorrow and tweaking the hammy further would be the worst case scenario.
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Post#533 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:30 pm

bargara wrote:There’s no secret about Harden’s weight

He doesn’t train in the off season & plays his way to fitness

He faked an injury in Brooklyn before demanding a trade & has been training ever since

Hardly a mystery

He will be good to go tomorrow


I don't think he faked the injury... I think it is why he has played poorly this year. He mentioned it coming into the season and sat out with it a couple months ago well before trade demands. Hopefully its healed up
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Post#534 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:31 pm

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Prokorov wrote:I don't think Harden/Embiid should be a big concern. Harden said day 1 on the Nets he didnt like having such a huge scoring burden on him in Houston, and then kind of proved it embracing a PG role and taking a back seat to Kyrie as a scorer. In fact he only really seemed unhappy here once KD/Kyrie were out and he had that big load to carry again. It worked out great for both of them year 1... So Harden im sure is fine taking less shots then Joel. Their games may not mesh but neither did Harden/KD but they are both so great and efficient it didnt matter... it was ugly offense, but it was 125 points per 100 possesions ugly i.e. the best offense in league history.

So maybe its alot of alternating who attacks and not some seamless warriors/spurs ball, but it will still likely be great offense, even if the fit stinks, which it probably wont.

The only real short term concern I see with Harden is the hamstring. Most nets fans said it was BS and he just wanted out, but it seems clear now he tweaked something. earlier in the year people just said he lost a step but it clearly the hamstring was bothering him. he reaggravated it 3 times last year, again in the playoffs, and according to injury reports twice this year.

His biggest issue this year wasnt the refs... it was lack of explosiveness on his jumper and at the rim. if he is healthy, i expect him to look like last year.


Was it all the same hamstring? I heard the most reason one was to the other leg.


All the same leg.
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Post#535 » by Prokorov » Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:33 pm

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Prokorov wrote:I don't think Harden/Embiid should be a big concern. Harden said day 1 on the Nets he didnt like having such a huge scoring burden on him in Houston, and then kind of proved it embracing a PG role and taking a back seat to Kyrie as a scorer. In fact he only really seemed unhappy here once KD/Kyrie were out and he had that big load to carry again. It worked out great for both of them year 1... So Harden im sure is fine taking less shots then Joel. Their games may not mesh but neither did Harden/KD but they are both so great and efficient it didnt matter... it was ugly offense, but it was 125 points per 100 possesions ugly i.e. the best offense in league history.

So maybe its alot of alternating who attacks and not some seamless warriors/spurs ball, but it will still likely be great offense, even if the fit stinks, which it probably wont.

The only real short term concern I see with Harden is the hamstring. Most nets fans said it was BS and he just wanted out, but it seems clear now he tweaked something. earlier in the year people just said he lost a step but it clearly the hamstring was bothering him. he reaggravated it 3 times last year, again in the playoffs, and according to injury reports twice this year.

His biggest issue this year wasnt the refs... it was lack of explosiveness on his jumper and at the rim. if he is healthy, i expect him to look like last year.


This won't be a popular take here, but I would be just fine if Harden didn't suit up until the next home game, which is Wednesday against the Knicks. I want him back when he's as close to 100% as he can be, because coming back tomorrow and tweaking the hammy further would be the worst case scenario.



I think part of the furstration is not know if its healed or not... because he has come back, saying he felt fine, played fantastic (like around christmas) and then there is a flare up... playing through it isnt a good idea, but Nash really grinded him. Glad to see philly let him sit through the break
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Post#537 » by phillynative » Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:18 am

If the sixers plan on starting Maxey , Matisse and Tobias, though the most talented, its not the greatest shooting around Harden and Embiid. In order to optimize the spacing for everyone it will need Harden to bring his C&S to and efficient level. The same way Embiid will have to for Harden.
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Post#538 » by LloydFree » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:45 am

Thybulle needs to start. One of Georges Niang or Danny Green needs to start. One of Maxey or Tobias (I don't care which) needs to come off the bench.
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Post#539 » by Kobblehead » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:53 am

LloydFree wrote:Thybulle needs to start. One of Georges Niang or Danny Green needs to start. One of Maxey or Tobias (I don't care which) needs to come off the bench.

Let's not be bashful.

They both need to go to the bench because neither shoot the ball or make plays defensively.
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Post#540 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:54 am

I wonder if Doc will keep Niang in the starting lineup? Seems like an obvious choice.

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