Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen are still beefing

[Ballerhogger]

It seems like this point it’s best stays that way . KG is the biggest fake tough guy in that that room

[Chanel Bomber]

LOL, give me a break. Celtics were basically treating him like trash and wanted to trade him at the end of his time there. Allen owes them nothing. KG can be petty all he wants. Allen doesn't need to forgive anybody.

Players get traded all the time. It's not even like Allen had spent his entire career there.

Player movement is one thing, but great players don't join rival teams that beat them deep in the playoffs. It's an unwritten rule in basketball. It's not something you do to your teammates. The players who broke the code stand out in history because it seldom happens (Durant, Varejao, Allen). I think Drexler was viewed differently because he went home to Houston.

Allen left his teammates to join their rivals. He could have joined 28 other teams, but he had to pick their biggest rival. He's the one who has to get over himself in this situation.

So if I understand you correctly,

1. Boston can trade Ray Allen anywhere it wants and no big deal.
2. Ray Allen can only sign for certain teams.

Seems fair

Bro you're conflating two different things. A team has a right to try and trade players. Theres no need for anyone to stand up for a guy when he's being shopped. Players aren't teams though, they're people and as human beings are bound to a degree of decency, integrity and loyalty. Ray broke that bond. He didn't give a damn about decency and if this wasn't the NBA but the streets hed be looking at prison time for what he did

Ray Allen owes a duty of loyalty to Boston but Boston doesn't owe him anything.

Ray Allen's teammates being okay with him being traded is fine but Ray Allen ddeciding to go elsewhere warrants prison time.

Seems like a great and well thought out moral system

Twenty-eight other teams.

Trades happen all the time.

Players joining their team's biggest rival seldom happens, because it breaks the code and goes against the very notion of decency, as SecondTake alluded to.

You can exude class and still eff up and do people dirty. That's what Allen did to KG, Pierce and Rondo. So they have the right to accept him or not as they wish.

[sp6r=underrated]

Players get traded all the time. It's not even like Allen had spent his entire career there.

Player movement is one thing, but great players don't join rival teams that beat them deep in the playoffs. It's an unwritten rule in basketball. It's not something you do to your teammates. The players who broke the code stand out in history because it seldom happens (Durant, Varejao, Allen). I think Drexler was viewed differently because he went home to Houston.

Allen left his teammates to join their rivals. He could have joined 28 other teams, but he had to pick their biggest rival. He's the one who has to get over himself in this situation.

So if I understand you correctly,

1. Boston can trade Ray Allen anywhere it wants and no big deal.
2. Ray Allen can only sign for certain teams.

Seems fair

Bro you're conflating two different things. A team has a right to try and trade players. Theres no need for anyone to stand up for a guy when he's being shopped. Players aren't teams though, they're people and as human beings are bound to a degree of decency, integrity and loyalty. Ray broke that bond. He didn't give a damn about decency and if this wasn't the NBA but the streets hed be looking at prison time for what he did

Ray Allen owes a duty of loyalty to Boston but Boston doesn't owe him anything.

Ray Allen's teammates being okay with him being traded is fine but Ray Allen ddeciding to go elsewhere warrants prison time.

Seems like a great and well thought out moral system

Twenty-eight other teams.

Trades happen all the time.

Players joining their team's biggest rival seldom happens, because it breaks the code and goes against the very notion of decency, as SecondTake alluded to.

You can exude class and still eff up and do people dirty. That's what Allen did to KG, Pierce and Rondo. So they have the right to accept him or not as they wish.

Trades are bad for players all the time. If you want someone to be loyal to you you have to speak out against trades that are bad for that person's career.

Getting shipped to Memphis from Boston is bad for Allen's career. Neither Ray, Paul or KG stood up against it. That shows they didn't give a damn about Ray.

Their failure to speak out against it makes their pettiness unteneable.

You can only expect people to be loyal to you if you are loyal to them

[Knightfall]

So if I understand you correctly,

1. Boston can trade Ray Allen anywhere it wants and no big deal.
2. Ray Allen can only sign for certain teams.

Seems fair




Ray Allen owes a duty of loyalty to Boston but Boston doesn't owe him anything.

Ray Allen's teammates being okay with him being traded is fine but Ray Allen ddeciding to go elsewhere warrants prison time.

Seems like a great and well thought out moral system

Twenty-eight other teams.

Trades happen all the time.

Players joining their team's biggest rival seldom happens, because it breaks the code and goes against the very notion of decency, as SecondTake alluded to.

You can exude class and still eff up and do people dirty. That's what Allen did to KG, Pierce and Rondo. So they have the right to accept him or not as they wish.

Trades are bad for players all the time. If you want someone to be loyal to you you have to speak out against trades that are bad for that person's career.

Getting shipped to Memphis from Boston is bad for Allen's career. Neither Ray, Paul or KG stood up against it. That shows they didn't give a damn about Ray.

Their failure to speak out against it makes their pettiness unteneable.

You can only expect people to be loyal to you if you are loyal to them

Exactly. And as we know, these hoes ain't loyal.

[BBallFreak]

Players get traded all the time. It's not even like Allen had spent his entire career there.

Player movement is one thing, but great players don't join rival teams that beat them deep in the playoffs. It's an unwritten rule in basketball. It's not something you do to your teammates. The players who broke the code stand out in history because it seldom happens (Durant, Varejao, Allen). I think Drexler was viewed differently because he went home to Houston.

Allen left his teammates to join their rivals. He could have joined 28 other teams, but he had to pick their biggest rival. He's the one who has to get over himself in this situation.

So if I understand you correctly,

1. Boston can trade Ray Allen anywhere it wants and no big deal.
2. Ray Allen can only sign for certain teams.

Seems fair

Bro you're conflating two different things. A team has a right to try and trade players. Theres no need for anyone to stand up for a guy when he's being shopped. Players aren't teams though, they're people and as human beings are bound to a degree of decency, integrity and loyalty. Ray broke that bond. He didn't give a damn about decency and if this wasn't the NBA but the streets hed be looking at prison time for what he did

Ray Allen owes a duty of loyalty to Boston but Boston doesn't owe him anything.

Ray Allen's teammates being okay with him being traded is fine but Ray Allen ddeciding to go elsewhere warrants prison time.

Seems like a great and well thought out moral system

Twenty-eight other teams.

Trades happen all the time.

Players joining their team's biggest rival seldom happens, because it breaks the code and goes against the very notion of decency, as SecondTake alluded to.

You can exude class and still eff up and do people dirty. That's what Allen did to KG, Pierce and Rondo. So they have the right to accept him or not as they wish.

So, let me get this straight;

The team can mess with his role, mess with his minutes, trade him to the NBA backwaters (which Memphis was at the time), while his teammates do and say nothing on his behalf, but then when he's a free agent, he should limit his choices to teams that his former teammates don't hate?

I wonder if they called him after he got dealt to Memphis to say how much it sucked and how much they were going to miss him?

Did KG and Pierce go to management and use their influence to try and stop the trade? Did they talk to Coach Rivers about his role on the team? Did they do anything to help his situation?

What did he owe them considering they were going to let the Memphis trade happen? He did what was best for him just like they did what was best for them.

He was understandably upset after it happened. Went should he be loyal after what they did to him? Read his feelings on his own words:

https://nesn.com/2013/12/ray-allen-opens-up-about-near-trade-to-grizzlies-for-o-j-mayo-in-final-year-with-celtics/

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[NY2k1]

Players get traded all the time. It's not even like Allen had spent his entire career there.

Player movement is one thing, but great players don't join rival teams that beat them deep in the playoffs. It's an unwritten rule in basketball. It's not something you do to your teammates. The players who broke the code stand out in history because it seldom happens (Durant, Varejao, Allen). I think Drexler was viewed differently because he went home to Houston.

Allen left his teammates to join their rivals. He could have joined 28 other teams, but he had to pick their biggest rival. He's the one who has to get over himself in this situation.

So if I understand you correctly,

1. Boston can trade Ray Allen anywhere it wants and no big deal.
2. Ray Allen can only sign for certain teams.

Seems fair

Bro you're conflating two different things. A team has a right to try and trade players. Theres no need for anyone to stand up for a guy when he's being shopped. Players aren't teams though, they're people and as human beings are bound to a degree of decency, integrity and loyalty. Ray broke that bond. He didn't give a damn about decency and if this wasn't the NBA but the streets hed be looking at prison time for what he did

Ray Allen owes a duty of loyalty to Boston but Boston doesn't owe him anything.

Ray Allen's teammates being okay with him being traded is fine but Ray Allen ddeciding to go elsewhere warrants prison time.

Seems like a great and well thought out moral system

Twenty-eight other teams.

Trades happen all the time.

Players joining their team's biggest rival seldom happens, because it breaks the code and goes against the very notion of decency, as SecondTake alluded to.

You can exude class and still eff up and do people dirty. That's what Allen did to KG, Pierce and Rondo. So they have the right to accept him or not as they wish.

Again with this "28 teams" thing, lol.

That doesn't mean anything if most of those teams are bad, or treadmill teams at best. Allen wanted to go to a championship contender. Sure, maybe he could have signed with OKC, or ideally, the Spurs. But like I said, who is to say those teams were even interested in him the way the Heat were? At the end of the day, he didn't owe the C's anything, especially with the way he was treated at the end.

[DoItALL9]

Has it been said that KG and PP didn't fight against the Ray Allen - OJ Mayo trade?

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