When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[basketballRob]

I'm just incapable of putting a positive spin on the Isaac situation at this point.

We're not going to see him this season. I thought we'd see Fultz after the All-star break, && it's looking like that will happen, but this is a completely different situation. I've been preaching this for a while now, but we have to get out of the mindset that sitting Isaac for this long is a tanking precaution or some extreme trepidation on Weltman's part.

Isaac is a player who clearly suffered a setback from a catastrophic knee injury. He will be 2 years removed from basketball when he plays again, and for someone who's great appeal was defensive versatility/mobility, it's hard to come to grips with the fact that we will probably never see that same guy again. But I think we have to.

Weltman isn't keeping him in some bacta tank waiting to unleash him onto the league when he deems a season worthy enough for him to play in. Isaac continues to rehab from a catastrophic injury that has already and will more than likely continue to alter his ceiling as a player in this league.

So Weltman is lying? He says their was no setback and that people heal on different schedules.

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[Def Swami]

I'm just incapable of putting a positive spin on the Isaac situation at this point.

We're not going to see him this season. I thought we'd see Fultz after the All-star break, && it's looking like that will happen, but this is a completely different situation. I've been preaching this for a while now, but we have to get out of the mindset that sitting Isaac for this long is a tanking precaution or some extreme trepidation on Weltman's part.

Isaac is a player who clearly suffered a setback from a catastrophic knee injury. He will be 2 years removed from basketball when he plays again, and for someone who's great appeal was defensive versatility/mobility, it's hard to come to grips with the fact that we will probably never see that same guy again. But I think we have to.

Weltman isn't keeping him in some bacta tank waiting to unleash him onto the league when he deems a season worthy enough for him to play in. Isaac continues to rehab from a catastrophic injury that has already and will more than likely continue to alter his ceiling as a player in this league.

So Weltman is lying? He says their was no setback and that people heal on different schedules.

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This is pretty unprecedented in terms of a recovery time.

Either there was a setback or they're holding him out to tank. The fact that Fultz is back to contact practice and Isaac is not makes me believe there was a setback.

[pepe1991]

This is actually good.

Making sure he is healthy when he gets back. There is no need to have him on the court anyway.

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

Joel Embiid did not have repetative knee injury. It was foot injury.
Also during whole Embiid rehab process we knew what's wrong.

"The 76ers recently announced that Joel Embiid, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, will miss the entire 2015-16 season due to another injury to his right foot. It turns out Embiid broke the same right navicular bone that caused him to sit out his rookie year, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer's Bob Cooney."

See the difference? Clear medical report, no bul***ts, we knew what happened and why he is out yet another year.

With Isaac, we have sporadic 12 seconds videos of him throwing medical ball at a wall as only update in last year and some " not doing contact training yet" after he is missing second season year in a row.
In actual real time, Jonathan Isaac played 31 min of basketball in last 25 months/ 750 days.
By the time, if he is even ready for training camp next year, he will be officially out of serious basketball for close to three years. It's such a large period of time that women can give birth to 3 different babies in that period.

He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

Sports don't work like that. You are not going to become great player by sitting in empty arena against coach that guards you with broomsticks and shooting endless jumpers over him. If that is a case than Greg Oden, Kenyon Martin, Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose would return better after injuries than they were before. It simply did not happen. In reality after every massive time out their athletcsm chipped away a little bit, their movment was noticablly slower, their body did not become stronger by "overrehabbing".

I don't even understand why Embiid is "positive" example. At average, Joel missed 30 games a year.
You use him because he is elite player to feel better about Isaac. Truth is, Embiid would have been easly top 5 player in nba if he never was hurt. isaac without injuries would still be role player and nothing more. Injuries didn't help Embiid to become good, Embiid is elite player despite massive health issues he has. We talk about guy who after 2 years of not playing basketball, as a rookie averaged 20 points, 8 rebounds, 2,5 blocks, 2 assists in 25 min a game. And ofc got hurt in process.. He was hands down best prospect in the world in that draft, and despite having massive injuries, he still didn't fall below 3rd pick. (not to mention he didn't play basketball until he was 15)

Jonathan Isaac blew up knee twice in one year and has been out for 2 years, minus those bubble minutes where he menaged to blew his ACL.
Just because Magic sit him for whatever reason ( injuries, tanking, doesn't matter ) won't make him better player in future nor will oversitting him prevent future injuries. Players who did sustain massive injuries in past ( ones above mentiond and guys like Gordon Hayward, Paul George and many, many others) tend to be injury prone to not only injuries they had, but to other injuries as well such is tendinitis. Because during massive injury body starts to overcompensate by overworking other side of a body. In almost all cases, after broken leg, blown achillie, knee or whatever, player tends to hurt his healthy side next. That's reality. Literally execlly what happend to Klay Thompson. After torning ACL in his left knee, he blew up achille in his right leg. Coincidence? Not really.
Joel Embiid right foot surgeries were followed by left leg mensicus tear.
Rose torn ACL in left knee and next injury was menicus in right leg.
I don't know how old are you but if you were nba fan in mid 00s than you remember energy bomb Kenyon Martin was and how bad he looked after blowing both knees in year and half.

So yea, i really struggle where guys like you draw your "optimsm" from. Isaac is out for almost 20 months in a row, he is yet to be part of contact practice and he has history of being injuried and all injuries are on same leg. We won't see him on the floor until he turns 25,with basically 3 years without basketball. He won't just magically stay healthy for rest of his basketball days and even notion that he will "get better at basketball by not playing" is ridicilous.
People here in general don't like reality, they like to purple hills and sunshine and rainbows , and that's fine, you call it "being positive" , i call it being delusional about situation by just ignoring facts.

[basketballRob]

I'm just incapable of putting a positive spin on the Isaac situation at this point.

We're not going to see him this season. I thought we'd see Fultz after the All-star break, && it's looking like that will happen, but this is a completely different situation. I've been preaching this for a while now, but we have to get out of the mindset that sitting Isaac for this long is a tanking precaution or some extreme trepidation on Weltman's part.

Isaac is a player who clearly suffered a setback from a catastrophic knee injury. He will be 2 years removed from basketball when he plays again, and for someone who's great appeal was defensive versatility/mobility, it's hard to come to grips with the fact that we will probably never see that same guy again. But I think we have to.

Weltman isn't keeping him in some bacta tank waiting to unleash him onto the league when he deems a season worthy enough for him to play in. Isaac continues to rehab from a catastrophic injury that has already and will more than likely continue to alter his ceiling as a player in this league.

So Weltman is lying? He says their was no setback and that people heal on different schedules.

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This is pretty unprecedented in terms of a recovery time.

Either there was a setback or they're holding him out to tank. The fact that Fultz is back to contact practice and Isaac is not makes me believe there was a setback.

So Weltman is a liar.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

So Weltman is lying? He says their was no setback and that people heal on different schedules.

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This is pretty unprecedented in terms of a recovery time.

Either there was a setback or they're holding him out to tank. The fact that Fultz is back to contact practice and Isaac is not makes me believe there was a setback.

So Weltman is a liar.

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Is there an interview you can point us to where Weltman explicitly said there was no setback? In the one extended interview he did on Isaac in November I don’t recall him saying that. He dropped a lot of buzzwords, said Isaac was working on balance and strength, said JI was progressing, etc. But did he actually say there was no setback?

[yoyojw17]

Not being able to fully participate in practice 18 months after an injury is a good thing?

Riiiiiight…

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

Joel Embiid did not have repetative knee injury. It was foot injury.
Also during whole Embiid rehab process we knew what's wrong.

"The 76ers recently announced that Joel Embiid, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, will miss the entire 2015-16 season due to another injury to his right foot. It turns out Embiid broke the same right navicular bone that caused him to sit out his rookie year, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer's Bob Cooney."

See the difference? Clear medical report, no bul***ts, we knew what happened and why he is out yet another year.

With Isaac, we have sporadic 12 seconds videos of him throwing medical ball at a wall as only update in last year and some " not doing contact training yet" after he is missing second season year in a row.
In actual real time, Jonathan Isaac played 31 min of basketball in last 25 months/ 750 days.
By the time, if he is even ready for training camp next year, he will be officially out of serious basketball for close to three years. It's such a large period of time that women can give birth to 3 different babies in that period.

He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

Sports don't work like that. You are not going to become great player by sitting in empty arena against coach that guards you with broomsticks and shooting endless jumpers over him. If that is a case than Greg Oden, Kenyon Martin, Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose would return better after injuries than they were before. It simply did not happen. In reality after every massive time out their athletcsm chipped away a little bit, their movment was noticablly slower, their body did not become stronger by "overrehabbing".

I don't even understand why Embiid is "positive" example. At average, Joel missed 30 games a year.
You use him because he is elite player to feel better about Isaac. Truth is, Embiid would have been easly top 5 player in nba if he never was hurt. isaac without injuries would still be role player and nothing more. Injuries didn't help Embiid to become good, Embiid is elite player despite massive health issues he has. We talk about guy who after 2 years of not playing basketball, as a rookie averaged 20 points, 8 rebounds, 2,5 blocks, 2 assists in 25 min a game. And ofc got hurt in process.. He was hands down best prospect in the world in that draft, and despite having massive injuries, he still didn't fall below 3rd pick. (not to mention he didn't play basketball until he was 15)

Jonathan Isaac blew up knee twice in one year and has been out for 2 years, minus those bubble minutes where he menaged to blew his ACL.
Just because Magic sit him for whatever reason ( injuries, tanking, doesn't matter ) won't make him better player in future nor will oversitting him prevent future injuries. Players who did sustain massive injuries in past ( ones above mentiond and guys like Gordon Hayward, Paul George and many, many others) tend to be injury prone to not only injuries they had, but to other injuries as well such is tendinitis. Because during massive injury body starts to overcompensate by overworking other side of a body. In almost all cases, after broken leg, blown achillie, knee or whatever, player tends to hurt his healthy side next. That's reality. Literally execlly what happend to Klay Thompson. After torning ACL in his left knee, he blew up achille in his right leg. Coincidence? Not really.
Joel Embiid right foot surgeries were followed by left leg mensicus tear.
Rose torn ACL in left knee and next injury was menicus in right leg.
I don't know how old are you but if you were nba fan in mid 00s than you remember energy bomb Kenyon Martin was and how bad he looked after blowing both knees in year and half.

So yea, i really struggle where guys like you draw your "optimsm" from. Isaac is out for almost 20 months in a row, he is yet to be part of contact practice and he has history of being injuried and all injuries are on same leg. We won't see him on the floor until he turns 25,with basically 3 years without basketball. He won't just magically stay healthy for rest of his basketball days and even notion that he will "get better at basketball by not playing" is ridicilous.
People here in general don't like reality, they like to purple hills and sunshine and rainbows , and that's fine, you call it "being positive" , i call it being delusional about situation by just ignoring facts.

No one.... Not even I said that Isaac was going to be a all star because of this. Unlike you.... I never speak in absolutes or extremes because the future hasn't happened. Optimism is gained from realizing that ... Hey.... Things can go well because there is a plan I place.... I might not know the plan and don't know what's going on behind the scenes.... But I hope they are doing it for a reason. Now.... When it comes to whether that plan will succeed ... I don't know ... Till it DOESN'T. I don't have future sight.... And neither does any of us.

Point was... There are cases where players have been out extended periods of time WITHOUT Derailing their career. And I don't need to micro manage the conversation and say... 22 months vs 30 months.

Not sure why YOU put so much energy into the negative thoughts of the future of the Magic.

Life is not black and white.... Things will not go out way.... Things will not go as we plan it.... Everything is not linear ... An input does not guarantee and output.... And you just accept it as it comes.... Cuz you can't do anything about it. That's what makes it easy to be optimistic and not get crushed if that optimism doesn't pan out.

[basketballRob]

This is pretty unprecedented in terms of a recovery time.

Either there was a setback or they're holding him out to tank. The fact that Fultz is back to contact practice and Isaac is not makes me believe there was a setback.

So Weltman is a liar.

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Is there an interview you can point us to where Weltman explicitly said there was no setback? In the one extended interview he did on Isaac in November I don’t recall him saying that. He dropped a lot of buzzwords, said Isaac was working on balance and strength, said JI was progressing, etc. But did he actually say there was no setback?

They said before that interview there were no setbacks.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

So Weltman is a liar.

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Is there an interview you can point us to where Weltman explicitly said there was no setback? In the one extended interview he did on Isaac in November I don’t recall him saying that. He dropped a lot of buzzwords, said Isaac was working on balance and strength, said JI was progressing, etc. But did he actually say there was no setback?

They said before that interview there were no setbacks.

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Ok, who is "they"? And if it was "before that interview", I'm assuming Weltman himself did not say it? I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm genuinely curious whether that statement has ever come out of the mouth of Weltman, and if so when?

Also, "setback" is a broad term. It doesn't necessarily mean he re-injured the knee. It could mean he experienced swelling when they tried to ramp up his work. Or he feels a clicking in the knee. Or he experienced pain after months of being pain-free.

[TheChaser]

I could add this “input” in multiple threads, but damn this is a very polarized and negative board in a lot of ways. I’m not attacking and I think you all have great ideas at times and love reading what you have to say; but now more than ever (as far as post Dwight) we have more reason for optimism in just about every area of the franchise.

[basketballRob]

Is there an interview you can point us to where Weltman explicitly said there was no setback? In the one extended interview he did on Isaac in November I don’t recall him saying that. He dropped a lot of buzzwords, said Isaac was working on balance and strength, said JI was progressing, etc. But did he actually say there was no setback?

They said before that interview there were no setbacks.

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Ok, who is "they"? And if it was "before that interview", I'm assuming Weltman himself did not say it? I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm genuinely curious whether that statement has ever come out of the mouth of Weltman, and if so when?

Also, "setback" is a broad term. It doesn't necessarily mean he re-injured the knee. It could mean he experienced swelling when they tried to ramp up his work. Or he feels a clicking in the knee. Or he experienced pain after months of being pain-free.

Haven't heard any swelling or anything like that, do you have a link? All we know is they're taking their time because they can.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

I could add this “input” in multiple threads, but damn this is a very polarized and negative board in a lot of ways. I’m not attacking and I think you all have great ideas at times and love reading what you have to say; but now more than ever (as far as post Dwight) we have more reason for optimism in just about every area of the franchise.

I feel you, but when the team finished 21-51 last season, is 13-47 this season, and has a .363 winning percentage in the last 5 years since Weltman and Hammond took over, I'm not sure how much positivity you can expect! (Also, the two highest-paid players have been in street clothes for the past two seasons and are mostly visible in grainy 5-second shootaround videos).

[Magic_Kingdom]

They said before that interview there were no setbacks.

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Ok, who is "they"? And if it was "before that interview", I'm assuming Weltman himself did not say it? I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm genuinely curious whether that statement has ever come out of the mouth of Weltman, and if so when?

Also, "setback" is a broad term. It doesn't necessarily mean he re-injured the knee. It could mean he experienced swelling when they tried to ramp up his work. Or he feels a clicking in the knee. Or he experienced pain after months of being pain-free.

Haven't heard any swelling or anything like that, do you have a link? All we know is they're taking their time because they can.

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No, you're missing the point. You are the one who said that if there has been a setback as many speculate, then we are calling Weltman a liar. You said it in two different posts! All I'm asking is when did Weltman say there has not been a setback?

[pepe1991]

totally didn't derail Embiid's career. lol

buuuuuut.... it all depends on what is being done during the time. I'm sure he's not just sitting on the couch eating twinkies... like some other players. He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

But we will see where this all goes! Would have personally loved to see him on the court... but if that's not the case... I pray it was all worth it and we'll see when he finally hit the court.

everything is all suspicion until it becomes reality.

Joel Embiid did not have repetative knee injury. It was foot injury.
Also during whole Embiid rehab process we knew what's wrong.

"The 76ers recently announced that Joel Embiid, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, will miss the entire 2015-16 season due to another injury to his right foot. It turns out Embiid broke the same right navicular bone that caused him to sit out his rookie year, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer's Bob Cooney."

See the difference? Clear medical report, no bul***ts, we knew what happened and why he is out yet another year.

With Isaac, we have sporadic 12 seconds videos of him throwing medical ball at a wall as only update in last year and some " not doing contact training yet" after he is missing second season year in a row.
In actual real time, Jonathan Isaac played 31 min of basketball in last 25 months/ 750 days.
By the time, if he is even ready for training camp next year, he will be officially out of serious basketball for close to three years. It's such a large period of time that women can give birth to 3 different babies in that period.

He might come back with a new lease on life, more developed skills, developed jumper, ... and set of strong ass knees. If that's the case.... it was worth it. lol

Sports don't work like that. You are not going to become great player by sitting in empty arena against coach that guards you with broomsticks and shooting endless jumpers over him. If that is a case than Greg Oden, Kenyon Martin, Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose would return better after injuries than they were before. It simply did not happen. In reality after every massive time out their athletcsm chipped away a little bit, their movment was noticablly slower, their body did not become stronger by "overrehabbing".

I don't even understand why Embiid is "positive" example. At average, Joel missed 30 games a year.
You use him because he is elite player to feel better about Isaac. Truth is, Embiid would have been easly top 5 player in nba if he never was hurt. isaac without injuries would still be role player and nothing more. Injuries didn't help Embiid to become good, Embiid is elite player despite massive health issues he has. We talk about guy who after 2 years of not playing basketball, as a rookie averaged 20 points, 8 rebounds, 2,5 blocks, 2 assists in 25 min a game. And ofc got hurt in process.. He was hands down best prospect in the world in that draft, and despite having massive injuries, he still didn't fall below 3rd pick. (not to mention he didn't play basketball until he was 15)

Jonathan Isaac blew up knee twice in one year and has been out for 2 years, minus those bubble minutes where he menaged to blew his ACL.
Just because Magic sit him for whatever reason ( injuries, tanking, doesn't matter ) won't make him better player in future nor will oversitting him prevent future injuries. Players who did sustain massive injuries in past ( ones above mentiond and guys like Gordon Hayward, Paul George and many, many others) tend to be injury prone to not only injuries they had, but to other injuries as well such is tendinitis. Because during massive injury body starts to overcompensate by overworking other side of a body. In almost all cases, after broken leg, blown achillie, knee or whatever, player tends to hurt his healthy side next. That's reality. Literally execlly what happend to Klay Thompson. After torning ACL in his left knee, he blew up achille in his right leg. Coincidence? Not really.
Joel Embiid right foot surgeries were followed by left leg mensicus tear.
Rose torn ACL in left knee and next injury was menicus in right leg.
I don't know how old are you but if you were nba fan in mid 00s than you remember energy bomb Kenyon Martin was and how bad he looked after blowing both knees in year and half.

So yea, i really struggle where guys like you draw your "optimsm" from. Isaac is out for almost 20 months in a row, he is yet to be part of contact practice and he has history of being injuried and all injuries are on same leg. We won't see him on the floor until he turns 25,with basically 3 years without basketball. He won't just magically stay healthy for rest of his basketball days and even notion that he will "get better at basketball by not playing" is ridicilous.
People here in general don't like reality, they like to purple hills and sunshine and rainbows , and that's fine, you call it "being positive" , i call it being delusional about situation by just ignoring facts.

No one.... Not even I said that Isaac was going to be a all star because of this. Unlike you.... I never speak in absolutes or extremes because the future hasn't happened. Optimism is gained from realizing that ... Hey.... Things can go well because there is a plan I place.... I might not know the plan and don't know what's going on behind the scenes.... But I hope they are doing it for a reason. Now.... When it comes to whether that plan will succeed ... I don't know ... Till it DOESN'T. I don't have future sight.... And neither does any of us.

Point was... There are cases where players have been out extended periods of time WITHOUT Derailing their career. And I don't need to micro manage the conversation and say... 22 months vs 30 months.

Not sure why YOU put so much energy into the negative thoughts of the future of the Magic.

Life is not black and white.... Things will not go out way.... Things will not go as we plan it.... Everything is not linear ... An input does not guarantee and output.... And you just accept it as it comes.... Cuz you can't do anything about it. That's what makes it easy to be optimistic and not get crushed if that optimism doesn't pan out.

Not sure why YOU put so much energy into the negative thoughts of the future of the Magic.

This is nothing but perception.
I put zero effort into negativity. Zero. I put lot of effort into being grounded in reality and objectivite, because world isn't sunshine and rainbows.
OKC is not on "right path" nor i will pretend they are. Nor their army of picks guarantees great players.
Pistons are not 1# pick away from contending.
Magic are not Chet Holmogren/ Smith / Banchero away from elite team.
Maybe right steps toward something, but miles away from being great.

Or we can dive outside of basketball to world issues like Putin won't stop because Biend sends him angry tweets or because Western world is putting "sanctions " on Russia. If you elect to put pink glasses and belive your 1 like on instagram is saving 1 hungry kid from hunger in Africa, more power to you. I won't. I know it won't do jack *** to anybody but whoever is boosting his social media.

Poppey said it on Jalen Suggs thread, imo it's just cultural thing. People in my country, and whoever is from middle or eastern Europe, especially ones from middle East are not praised for having 6/10 at exams, some of us were born during war ( i was, literally was born in shelter under granates), we are hardly ever happy- go-lucky types of people. We don't "go with a flow" , we saw ugly side of the life probably too early to be that positive.
Some of my friends were laughing like s*** when Biden won elections and americans were pretending they were freed of thirany. Our thoughs were all literally " you MFers don't know what thirany is if you can't handle angry tweets of president that you elected". Our part of the world had actual thirans, ones that were sending political opponents on forced labor for 10 yeras for things like: allegedly saying anynthing against communist party. No trail, direct transport to naked island to work.
As whole world is falling apart we once again see hypocricy of "positive thinking" and assuming best scenario is most objective one. Nobody didn't expect Russian attack. Why? Because you hoped for best? Why ? Because you didn't think he will. Again, why? Because you didn't think. Period. Hoping for best ,but assuming the worst saved way more lifes in this world than opposite.

When i see 24 years old player that has broken knee for two years and hasn't played basketball in ages, yes, i will asumme the worst, because that "worst" is probably way closer to "best" case scenario. Especially because i have seen guys like Porzingis, with similar age and built having very hard times staying healthy after same injuries. Jonathan Isaac was injury prone before ACL tear . Him blowing whole damn knee won't make him healthier in future. That's just dumb talk and my tolerance for dumb talk was always very low.

[PrimeThyme]

So Weltman is a liar.

Sure. The NBA is a business at the end of the day, don’t forget that.

Go watch some Steve Nash/Sean Marks interviews over the last couple months for evidence of that. Whether it’s them continually covering up for Joe Harris’s injury and then having to finally come out and say once he was weeks past the expected return date they’d given him that he suffered a setback or whether it’s both of them saying in interviews they weren’t discussing James harden trades and had zero intentions of trading him before trading him 24 hours later, this stuff is all fairly common.

Teams have their various motives for playing these PR games/chess matches. In bigger markets with constant media pressure and attention it’s just harder to get away with it. Here, there is absolutely zero pressure on Weltman to say anything. We’re one of the smallest markets and he will never get anything outside of the softest of softball questions from what few media members we even have covering the team.

Weltman is a liar because he can be. What repercussions in this market has he ever faced, and why would that change now?

He’s made it a priority starting with the Fultz injury to keep everything surrounding serious injuries of this nature in house. I think in many ways, he’s also trying to save face as well. Signing an injury prone player who has only had one healthy season in 5 years to this contract has a real shot at becoming another stain on his record.

[Knightro]

For Weltman's sake, I hope he is lying.

Because if he signed Isaac to a contract extension knowing that Isaac would miss the next two seasons, then he's just incompetent.

The Magic were not tanking when Isaac's extension was agreed upon, so the idea that "oh well they can afford to wait because the money and on-court results don't matter" doesn't hold water because the direction of the organization changed *after* the deal was signed.

[Ducklett]

For Weltman's sake, I hope he is lying.

Because if he signed Isaac to a contract extension knowing that Isaac would miss the next two seasons, then he's just incompetent.

The Magic were not tanking when Isaac's extension was agreed upon, so the idea that "oh well they can afford to wait because the money and on-court results don't matter" doesn't hold water because the direction of the organization changed *after* the deal was signed.

I have a feeling if we were still Vuc/AG/Evan buddy ball 8 seed system, Isaac would have already been back on the court.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Guarantee Weltman is lying and he has no reason not to. Like Pryme Thyme said we have the softest media when it comes to prodding for questions. The only 2 that were somewhat critical are now gone. Josh Robbins left to cover the Wizards and The Bulldog Bianchi who has been pushed further away from covering Magic stuff due to him having the same questions and frustrations that we as fans have.

This FO really has 1.5 years left to show something other than tanking and reshuffling of bodies on the titanic or else they're going to end up like Henny did Fired. I fully expect them to make some small moves with the cap space we have to get this roster looking more like and NBA roster and not a G League roster.

Really looking forward to the day I can actually watch a full game and actually care about the future.

[Knightro]

I have a feeling if we were still Vuc/AG/Evan buddy ball 8 seed system, Isaac would have already been back on the court.

Yeah that's seems reasonable.

The plan originally was for Isaac to play this season on a team that was expected to be competitive and the plan changed once the Magic pivoted to a rebuild halfway through last season.

[orlando_joe]

For Weltman's sake, I hope he is lying.

Because if he signed Isaac to a contract extension knowing that Isaac would miss the next two seasons, then he's just incompetent.

The Magic were not tanking when Isaac's extension was agreed upon, so the idea that "oh well they can afford to wait because the money and on-court results don't matter" doesn't hold water because the direction of the organization changed *after* the deal was signed.

did it ? ji had 1 yr on rookie deal and was hurt 2 months before that season .locked up ji before he hit fa do you think really ji would not have got that deal on open market last summer 8 months after injury? really? .only gave fultz 2 yrs..maybe he knew he was going to trade all at deadline then? we dont know...

[fendilim]

For Weltman's sake, I hope he is lying.

Because if he signed Isaac to a contract extension knowing that Isaac would miss the next two seasons, then he's just incompetent.

The Magic were not tanking when Isaac's extension was agreed upon, so the idea that "oh well they can afford to wait because the money and on-court results don't matter" doesn't hold water because the direction of the organization changed *after* the deal was signed.

I’m sure they signed Isaac expecting him to help this year’s team, had the kept Vuc and Evan.

But since they signed him prior to starting the reset button, I do believe their goals have changed also.

I think their main goal now is to make sure Isaac’s comes back stronger than ever.

Bringing Isaac back will only hurt the tank, IMO. A less athletic Isaac still has a higher chance to be better than all of our frontcourt players except for Franz.