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Clyde_Style wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I must say I'm thoroughly impressed by Russia's propaganda arm on the internet, how it made it's way to a Knicks message board is incredible.
We have our share of suckers just like everywhere else
What’s so impressive is how they get both right and left leaning factions to do their bidding. Remember how many leftists were eager to call Biden Sleepy Joe? It’s all Kremlin scripting.
j4remi wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I must say I'm thoroughly impressed by Russia's propaganda arm on the internet, how it made it's way to a Knicks message board is incredible.
We have our share of suckers just like everywhere else
What’s so impressive is how they get both right and left leaning factions to do their bidding. Remember how many leftists were eager to call Biden Sleepy Joe? It’s all Kremlin scripting.
Who on the left and what were they saying?
dakomish23 wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:I can easily justify Kyrie's actions. His body, his choice. He's not going to take an experimental injection that doesn't prevent Covid, doesn't stop transmission, has caused adverse side effects for many, all for a virus with less than a 1 percent hospitalization rate, especially when they are likely to lift mandates soon.
You want him to change his beliefs and his principles so he can entertain basketball fans? Shame on you.
You're the guy in the first meme
E-Balla wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:KnicksGadfly wrote:
Yes and no. China does want less problems in general because they’re pretty confident that given time, they’ll overtake the US as world leader, not that it wants all the responsibility that entails. If you look at thinkers like Sun Tzu, there are ideas about how the best generals can win without fighting. I think Lithuania is an example (hope I didn’t get the country wrong). They recognized Taiwan so China just boycotted their goods. They’ve been trying to do that in Taiwan itself but it’s not working…the population in Taiwan has its own identity by now.
At the same time, they’re supporting Russia, and have been moving more towards wolf warrior diplomacy for a while. Oh and they also feel disrespected on the world stage and have grievances that date back to the opium war. Xi is very different than Deng…he’s more aggressive. The population in China has also become more anti-American over time - state media plays a role there.
Finally, they’re also fighting an ideological battle. Yes, China cares about economics but that’s because they’re trying to steer the country well and show the people the CCP should be in power. The West, with its ideas about democracy and human rights and whatnot, still represents a danger. Their end goal is economic, but it’s mostly, “everyone focus on making money together, and stfu about human rights and stuff.” Sometimes that’s fair, with the US being hypocritical, but sometimes I imagine a much scarier world than we have today.
You can't oppress people and succeed in the long run. At least I hope that's the way it is. I have faith in the Ukraine people and the rest of Europe to coalesce against a common enemy. If countries are going to start choosing sides over Putin's ego, then I pity them.
Remind me again of who the most successful countries in the world are? This is a nonsense opinion. Just world fallacy if I've ever seen it. When it comes to oppression you don't get worse than NATO.
We bombed Somalia Wednesday and Israel bombed Damascus yesterday. Let's not do this...
Zenzibar wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Stannis wrote:He's definitely not a lone wolf. Call it fear or whatever you want. But he has support and influence.
Side note, when I was in Albania, I was actually surprised at some native morons who liked Putin.
Did you see the video of Putin grilling one of his spies who was clearly uncomfortable telling Putin what he wasn’t happy with. The spy stammered and stumbled until he agreed with Putin. It was incredible to watch. I’m sure it’s online.
Albanians like “viral” men. Do Albanians still out a gun under the pillow of newborn males? It used to be ceremonial
The dude is shook
Clyde_Style wrote:I predict this invasion will eventually be bad news for the American Republican Party due to so much of their past funding having come from Russia money funnels routed through American SuperPACS.
Some of those issues were already under the microscope partly due to the NY State probe into the NRA which very clearly was taking on dirty money from the Kremlin to fund political campaigns.
There’s more to say about that, but I’ll limit it to the implications from the invasion of the Ukraine. Because Putin actively launders so much money internationally, the actions being enacted now to disenfranchise the use of SWIFT routing for him and his oligarchs will now provoke more conversations and potential investigations into how money flows out of Russia into foreign accounts.
The GOP has taken dirty Kremlin money for years now which is why you see so much pro-Russian BS coming out of their mouths. The probes into Trump are accelerating and this disruption of the Russian banking system may shine fresh light on these connections as it makes perfect sense now for the DOJ to go after dirty Russian funding after they cut them off at the knees in the banking system.
prophet_of_rage wrote:Question. When did perfection become the standard of being good or even in the right?
I see posts about Ukraine's Nazi history. You know who had a deep Nazi history? Germany. Pretty sure they're shoulder to shoukder with us.
Also Ukraine is an independent sovereign nation. It should not be justifiabke that it is invaded by its neighbour to remove it having control of its own destiny.
As we see Finland and Sweden are now under threat. Are we going to dog uo dirt on tjem too?
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Clyde_Style wrote:j4remi wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
We have our share of suckers just like everywhere else
What’s so impressive is how they get both right and left leaning factions to do their bidding. Remember how many leftists were eager to call Biden Sleepy Joe? It’s all Kremlin scripting.
Who on the left and what were they saying?
It was done here by some posters. I won’t drag anyone now since I hope they have learned something from their experiences.
thebuzzardman wrote:Every NATO country, to include the USA, has either some Nazi past, or current Nazi or Fascist parties or organizations in them.
Ironically, Russia is functioning as a fascist (not Nazi) country right now, as Fascism is more malleable and is different locally, than Marxism, which at least has central tenets to hold to - mostly.
Again, people just want casually repeat disinformation, out of context. It's not incorrect that Ukraine has some fascists. It's certainly not incorrect they collaborated with the Germans/Nazis in WW2.
I mean, the fact that Russians had just finished systematically starving between 6 and 20 million of them might have given the survivors some motivation to throw in with an invader, any invader, after that. Or, fascism had wide appeal in Europe beyond Germany and it's kind of complicated. Or both, likely.
I guess it's the age we live in. Interconnectedness and social media are force multipliers on disinformation the world has never seen before. Maybe eventually everyone learns to understand it and get a hold on it. Probably not.
Gorilla Monsoon wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:Gorilla Monsoon wrote:I can easily justify Kyrie's actions. His body, his choice. He's not going to take an experimental injection that doesn't prevent Covid, doesn't stop transmission, has caused adverse side effects for many, all for a virus with less than a 1 percent hospitalization rate, especially when they are likely to lift mandates soon.
You want him to change his beliefs and his principles so he can entertain basketball fans? Shame on you.
You're the guy in the first meme
Lol fair enough. We're all guilty. Just trying to inject a little humor. No pun intended
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
prophet_of_rage wrote:Question. When did perfection become the standard of being good or even in the right?
I see posts about Ukraine's Nazi history. You know who had a deep Nazi history? Germany. Pretty sure they're shoulder to shoukder with us.
Also Ukraine is an independent sovereign nation. It should not be justifiabke that it is invaded by its neighbour to remove it having control of its own destiny.
As we see Finland and Sweden are now under threat. Are we going to dog uo dirt on tjem too?
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j4remi wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Every NATO country, to include the USA, has either some Nazi past, or current Nazi or Fascist parties or organizations in them.
Ironically, Russia is functioning as a fascist (not Nazi) country right now, as Fascism is more malleable and is different locally, than Marxism, which at least has central tenets to hold to - mostly.
Again, people just want casually repeat disinformation, out of context. It's not incorrect that Ukraine has some fascists. It's certainly not incorrect they collaborated with the Germans/Nazis in WW2.
I mean, the fact that Russians had just finished systematically starving between 6 and 20 million of them might have given the survivors some motivation to throw in with an invader, any invader, after that. Or, fascism had wide appeal in Europe beyond Germany and it's kind of complicated. Or both, likely.
I guess it's the age we live in. Interconnectedness and social media are force multipliers on disinformation the world has never seen before. Maybe eventually everyone learns to understand it and get a hold on it. Probably not.
It's also notable that a new grift with recent conflicts, has been to set up pop-up charities that are scams. With this Ukraine situation in particularly, those fake charities have appeared to send money to nazi militia groups. It could be more Russian troll campaigning, but it's a good way to confuse the issue and also worth warning heads that want to help about double-checking where they send their aid to.
Social media genuinely has me cynical as hell lately.
j4remi wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Every NATO country, to include the USA, has either some Nazi past, or current Nazi or Fascist parties or organizations in them.
Ironically, Russia is functioning as a fascist (not Nazi) country right now, as Fascism is more malleable and is different locally, than Marxism, which at least has central tenets to hold to - mostly.
Again, people just want casually repeat disinformation, out of context. It's not incorrect that Ukraine has some fascists. It's certainly not incorrect they collaborated with the Germans/Nazis in WW2.
I mean, the fact that Russians had just finished systematically starving between 6 and 20 million of them might have given the survivors some motivation to throw in with an invader, any invader, after that. Or, fascism had wide appeal in Europe beyond Germany and it's kind of complicated. Or both, likely.
I guess it's the age we live in. Interconnectedness and social media are force multipliers on disinformation the world has never seen before. Maybe eventually everyone learns to understand it and get a hold on it. Probably not.
It's also notable that a new grift with recent conflicts, has been to set up pop-up charities that are scams. With this Ukraine situation in particularly, those fake charities have appeared to send money to nazi militia groups. It could be more Russian troll campaigning, but it's a good way to confuse the issue and also worth warning heads that want to help about double-checking where they send their aid to.
Social media genuinely has me cynical as hell lately.
thebuzzardman wrote:Ukraine is nazis. Welp, glad to see the American right has completely hoovered up Russian disinformation. Fascinating.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
E-Balla wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Ukraine is nazis. Welp, glad to see the American right has completely hoovered up Russian disinformation. Fascinating.
The right?
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
Even people that are now saying Russia is lying about Nazis have been exposed for talking about it before:
This isn't a right wing conspiracy theory, it's a fact.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
