WOJ: Harden, Millsap for Simmons, Curry, Drummons, Two #1's

[gigantes]

...Cursing the Sixers over Moreys poor feel for the Simmons situation.

The whole thing reeks of Klutch shenanigans, honestly.

I don't know what Morey was supposed to do when the guy resisted almost every attempt to work things out. Because AFAIK the Sixers did build a lot of their system and players around Simmons, and to me, the first thing a responsible agent would say is 'let's give them a chance, at least.'

I don't think that's how Rich Paul operates though, especially the bigger the star.

[XtremeDunkz]

...Cursing the Sixers over Moreys poor feel for the Simmons situation.

The whole thing reeks of Klutch shenanigans, honestly.

I don't know what Morey was supposed to do when the guy resisted almost every attempt to work things out. Because AFAIK the Sixers did build a lot of their system and players around Simmons, and to me, the first thing a responsible agent would say is 'let's give them a chance, at least.'

I don't think that's how Rich Paul operates though, especially the bigger the star.

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

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[bargara]

...Cursing the Sixers over Moreys poor feel for the Simmons situation.

The whole thing reeks of Klutch shenanigans, honestly.

I don't know what Morey was supposed to do when the guy resisted almost every attempt to work things out. Because AFAIK the Sixers did build a lot of their system and players around Simmons, and to me, the first thing a responsible agent would say is 'let's give them a chance, at least.'

I don't think that's how Rich Paul operates though, especially the bigger the star.

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

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The only time the Sixers built around Simmons & Embiid was at the trade deadline in their first season together

It’s been a **** show ever since

For example, just about the worst player to stick next to Ben is Harris as he clogs the lanes, is a ball stopper, repeatedly stuffs up on transition and isn’t a willing shooter

Btw, Butler left because he felt disrespected by Brett Brown

[gigantes]

The only time the Sixers built around Simmons & Embiid was at the trade deadline in their first season together

It’s been a **** show ever since

For example, just about the worst player to stick next to Ben is Harris as he clogs the lanes, is a ball stopper, repeatedly stuffs up on transition and isn’t a willing shooter

Btw, Butler left because he felt disrespected by Brett Brown

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

Ah, but it does make sense to me as another one of Rich Paul's classic power / ego moves.

I think you mostly have to give Ben the benefit of the doubt here, in that he was a young guy dealing with some mental health issues, in a vulnerable place, and not quite sure what to do beyond just reacting or lashing out. I mean, even before the playoff meltdown.

Paul clearly likes to leverage a situation, and I suspect what he increasingly did was to conduct a narrative in Ben's ear of 'the Sixers don't appreciate you, they're trying to make you look bad,' and that kind of thing. Persuading Simmons to avoid cooperating as much as possible. Obviously it's much more of a 'power' move than very reasonably encouraging Ben to return to the office and make a good-faith attempt to work things out with Daryl, Joel and Doc.

Because frankly, stuff like that isn't easy. It takes openness, willingness and ability to sacrifice, which can be kind of ego-diminishing. Pretty much the opposite of Rich Paul philosophy, far as I can tell.

[Paradise]

...Cursing the Sixers over Moreys poor feel for the Simmons situation.

The whole thing reeks of Klutch shenanigans, honestly.

I don't know what Morey was supposed to do when the guy resisted almost every attempt to work things out. Because AFAIK the Sixers did build a lot of their system and players around Simmons, and to me, the first thing a responsible agent would say is 'let's give them a chance, at least.'

I don't think that's how Rich Paul operates though, especially the bigger the star.

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

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Jimmy Butler isn’t Durant or Kyrie. Has never ever been a remotely good 3 point shooter or overall elite scorer.

When did Philly build anything around him outside of their desire to protect Embiid? Don’t move the goalpost. You’ll get destroyed.

- Last time I checked, it was a well known fact Hinkie screwed up by dealing Covington, Saric for Butler who didn’t fit.

- last time I checked, it also was a well known fact that Butler didn’t like being the 3rd option. Hence his desire to join Miami over other super team combinations including ours.

- Last time I checked, Ben Simmons only had JJ Redick for 1 season and a half, Mike Scott as his best shooters in 2019 during that Raptors series. Before that, Bellineli, Ilyasova and whatever random dudes Philly plugged in there in the 1st round against Miami.

Ignoring that Philly has never surrounded him with elite talent outside of Embiid, Butler is hilariously ridiculous.

Our role players are FAR more elite than anything Philly has offered up since losing Covington or Butler, tbh.

Drummon, Claxton, Aldridge, Griffin, Sharpe are far superior bigs than O’Quinn, Noel, Mike Scott, Illysova, Novell Pelle and the other trash that Philly signed outside of Dwight Howard and obviously, Embiid who doesn’t count as a centerpiece.

His guards of Mills, Curry, Kyrie, Harris, Thomas are far superior than Markelle Fultz, James Ennis, Redick, Bellineli, Korkmaz, George Hill, old man Danny Green right now even in comparison to their averages those seasons he played with them in Philly. Philly hasn’t done anyone including Embiid any good service with roster construction. We gifted Philly their first actual HOF superstar scoring guard since Iverson.

What happened to all those picks and Fultz? Why didn’t they get Tatum? If Josh Jackson stayed the same as he is today in Philly going #1 would that be Ben’s fault too now?

The real reason Philly fans are upset is because he joined a situation that is and has had far more superior pieces to fit around him than they want to believe instead of being grateful you helped us out and we helped you since Philly can’t draft good scoring talent without help of trades (Butler trade, Harden trade).

Morey shows up and we’re supposed to pretend like Elton Brand and the previous management hasn’t been trash.

[XtremeDunkz]

The whole thing reeks of Klutch shenanigans, honestly.

I don't know what Morey was supposed to do when the guy resisted almost every attempt to work things out. Because AFAIK the Sixers did build a lot of their system and players around Simmons, and to me, the first thing a responsible agent would say is 'let's give them a chance, at least.'

I don't think that's how Rich Paul operates though, especially the bigger the star.

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

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Jimmy Butler isn’t Durant or Kyrie. Has never ever been a remotely good 3 point shooter or overall elite scorer.

When did Philly build anything around him outside of their desire to protect Embiid? Don’t move the goalpost. You’ll get destroyed.

- Last time I checked, it was a well known fact Hinkie screwed up by dealing Covington, Saric for Butler who didn’t fit.

- last time I checked, it also was a well known fact that Butler didn’t like being the 3rd option. Hence his desire to join Miami over other super team combinations including ours.

- Last time I checked, Ben Simmons only had JJ Redick for 1 season and a half, Mike Scott as his best shooters in 2019 during that Raptors series. Before that, Bellineli, Ilyasova and whatever random dudes Philly plugged in there in the 1st round against Miami.

Ignoring that Philly has never surrounded him with elite talent outside of Embiid, Butler is hilariously ridiculous.

Our role players are FAR more elite than anything Philly has offered up since losing Covington or Butler, tbh.

Drummon, Claxton, Aldridge, Griffin, Sharpe are far superior bigs than O’Quinn, Noel, Mike Scott, Illysova, Novell Pelle and the other trash that Philly signed outside of Dwight Howard and obviously, Embiid who doesn’t count as a centerpiece.

His guards of Mills, Curry, Kyrie, Harris, Thomas are far superior than Markelle Fultz, James Ennis, Redick, Bellineli, Korkmaz, George Hill, old man Danny Green right now even in comparison to their averages those seasons he played with them in Philly. Philly hasn’t done anyone including Embiid any good service with roster construction. We gifted Philly their first actual HOF superstar scoring guard since Iverson.

What happened to all those picks and Fultz? Why didn’t they get Tatum? If Josh Jackson stayed the same as he is today in Philly going #1 would that be Ben’s fault too now?

The real reason Philly fans are upset is because he joined a situation that is and has had far more superior pieces to fit around him than they want to believe instead of being grateful you helped us out and we helped you since Philly can’t draft good scoring talent without help of trades (Butler trade, Harden trade).

Morey shows up and we’re supposed to pretend like Elton Brand and the previous management hasn’t been trash.

Lol never said he was. That's not the point at all.

I love how you think you know more than someone who's followed the team daily since the 90s.

Hinkie didn't make those trades. He was long gone already.

Butler wanted to be the PG. Ben wanted to be the PG. The team picked Ben. Which validates my point even more.

You don't know anything about Simmons but you love to think that you do lol. Good luck. You will sour on him soon enough.

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[bargara]

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

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Jimmy Butler isn’t Durant or Kyrie. Has never ever been a remotely good 3 point shooter or overall elite scorer.

When did Philly build anything around him outside of their desire to protect Embiid? Don’t move the goalpost. You’ll get destroyed.

- Last time I checked, it was a well known fact Hinkie screwed up by dealing Covington, Saric for Butler who didn’t fit.

- last time I checked, it also was a well known fact that Butler didn’t like being the 3rd option. Hence his desire to join Miami over other super team combinations including ours.

- Last time I checked, Ben Simmons only had JJ Redick for 1 season and a half, Mike Scott as his best shooters in 2019 during that Raptors series. Before that, Bellineli, Ilyasova and whatever random dudes Philly plugged in there in the 1st round against Miami.

Ignoring that Philly has never surrounded him with elite talent outside of Embiid, Butler is hilariously ridiculous.

Our role players are FAR more elite than anything Philly has offered up since losing Covington or Butler, tbh.

Drummon, Claxton, Aldridge, Griffin, Sharpe are far superior bigs than O’Quinn, Noel, Mike Scott, Illysova, Novell Pelle and the other trash that Philly signed outside of Dwight Howard and obviously, Embiid who doesn’t count as a centerpiece.

His guards of Mills, Curry, Kyrie, Harris, Thomas are far superior than Markelle Fultz, James Ennis, Redick, Bellineli, Korkmaz, George Hill, old man Danny Green right now even in comparison to their averages those seasons he played with them in Philly. Philly hasn’t done anyone including Embiid any good service with roster construction. We gifted Philly their first actual HOF superstar scoring guard since Iverson.

What happened to all those picks and Fultz? Why didn’t they get Tatum? If Josh Jackson stayed the same as he is today in Philly going #1 would that be Ben’s fault too now?

The real reason Philly fans are upset is because he joined a situation that is and has had far more superior pieces to fit around him than they want to believe instead of being grateful you helped us out and we helped you since Philly can’t draft good scoring talent without help of trades (Butler trade, Harden trade).

Morey shows up and we’re supposed to pretend like Elton Brand and the previous management hasn’t been trash.

Lol never said he was. That's not the point at all.

I love how you think you know more than someone who's followed the team daily since the 90s.

Hinkie didn't make those trades. He was long gone already.

Butler wanted to be the PG. Ben wanted to be the PG. The team picked Ben. Which validates my point even more.

You don't know anything about Simmons but you love to think that you do lol. Good luck. You will sour on him soon enough.

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The Sixers wanted to extend Butler but he left because of Brown

He confirmed it in an interview

[Paradise]

Jimmy Butler isn’t Durant or Kyrie. Has never ever been a remotely good 3 point shooter or overall elite scorer.

When did Philly build anything around him outside of their desire to protect Embiid? Don’t move the goalpost. You’ll get destroyed.

- Last time I checked, it was a well known fact Hinkie screwed up by dealing Covington, Saric for Butler who didn’t fit.

- last time I checked, it also was a well known fact that Butler didn’t like being the 3rd option. Hence his desire to join Miami over other super team combinations including ours.

- Last time I checked, Ben Simmons only had JJ Redick for 1 season and a half, Mike Scott as his best shooters in 2019 during that Raptors series. Before that, Bellineli, Ilyasova and whatever random dudes Philly plugged in there in the 1st round against Miami.

Ignoring that Philly has never surrounded him with elite talent outside of Embiid, Butler is hilariously ridiculous.

Our role players are FAR more elite than anything Philly has offered up since losing Covington or Butler, tbh.

Drummon, Claxton, Aldridge, Griffin, Sharpe are far superior bigs than O’Quinn, Noel, Mike Scott, Illysova, Novell Pelle and the other trash that Philly signed outside of Dwight Howard and obviously, Embiid who doesn’t count as a centerpiece.

His guards of Mills, Curry, Kyrie, Harris, Thomas are far superior than Markelle Fultz, James Ennis, Redick, Bellineli, Korkmaz, George Hill, old man Danny Green right now even in comparison to their averages those seasons he played with them in Philly. Philly hasn’t done anyone including Embiid any good service with roster construction. We gifted Philly their first actual HOF superstar scoring guard since Iverson.

What happened to all those picks and Fultz? Why didn’t they get Tatum? If Josh Jackson stayed the same as he is today in Philly going #1 would that be Ben’s fault too now?

The real reason Philly fans are upset is because he joined a situation that is and has had far more superior pieces to fit around him than they want to believe instead of being grateful you helped us out and we helped you since Philly can’t draft good scoring talent without help of trades (Butler trade, Harden trade).

Morey shows up and we’re supposed to pretend like Elton Brand and the previous management hasn’t been trash.

Lol never said he was. That's not the point at all.

I love how you think you know more than someone who's followed the team daily since the 90s.

Hinkie didn't make those trades. He was long gone already.

Butler wanted to be the PG. Ben wanted to be the PG. The team picked Ben. Which validates my point even more.

You don't know anything about Simmons but you love to think that you do lol. Good luck. You will sour on him soon enough.

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The Sixers wanted to extend Butler but he left because of Brown

He confirmed it in an interview

How doesn’t he know this stuff? Lol!

[Paradise]

Philly built the team around Ben for years. Picked him over Jimmy Butlerv so he could play PG. Coaches and team bent over backwards to protect him from criticism and he still ran away. It's honestly unbelievable. Not sure how much was him and how much was Rich Paul but damn. Doesn't make much sense.

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Jimmy Butler isn’t Durant or Kyrie. Has never ever been a remotely good 3 point shooter or overall elite scorer.

When did Philly build anything around him outside of their desire to protect Embiid? Don’t move the goalpost. You’ll get destroyed.

- Last time I checked, it was a well known fact Hinkie screwed up by dealing Covington, Saric for Butler who didn’t fit.

- last time I checked, it also was a well known fact that Butler didn’t like being the 3rd option. Hence his desire to join Miami over other super team combinations including ours.

- Last time I checked, Ben Simmons only had JJ Redick for 1 season and a half, Mike Scott as his best shooters in 2019 during that Raptors series. Before that, Bellineli, Ilyasova and whatever random dudes Philly plugged in there in the 1st round against Miami.

Ignoring that Philly has never surrounded him with elite talent outside of Embiid, Butler is hilariously ridiculous.

Our role players are FAR more elite than anything Philly has offered up since losing Covington or Butler, tbh.

Drummon, Claxton, Aldridge, Griffin, Sharpe are far superior bigs than O’Quinn, Noel, Mike Scott, Illysova, Novell Pelle and the other trash that Philly signed outside of Dwight Howard and obviously, Embiid who doesn’t count as a centerpiece.

His guards of Mills, Curry, Kyrie, Harris, Thomas are far superior than Markelle Fultz, James Ennis, Redick, Bellineli, Korkmaz, George Hill, old man Danny Green right now even in comparison to their averages those seasons he played with them in Philly. Philly hasn’t done anyone including Embiid any good service with roster construction. We gifted Philly their first actual HOF superstar scoring guard since Iverson.

What happened to all those picks and Fultz? Why didn’t they get Tatum? If Josh Jackson stayed the same as he is today in Philly going #1 would that be Ben’s fault too now?

The real reason Philly fans are upset is because he joined a situation that is and has had far more superior pieces to fit around him than they want to believe instead of being grateful you helped us out and we helped you since Philly can’t draft good scoring talent without help of trades (Butler trade, Harden trade).

Morey shows up and we’re supposed to pretend like Elton Brand and the previous management hasn’t been trash.

Lol never said he was. That's not the point at all.

I love how you think you know more than someone who's followed the team daily since the 90s.

Hinkie didn't make those trades. He was long gone already.

Butler wanted to be the PG. Ben wanted to be the PG. The team picked Ben. Which validates my point even more.

You don't know anything about Simmons but you love to think that you do lol. Good luck. You will sour on him soon enough.

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So, you are confirming my point that the Sixers had **** management since Hinkie and didn’t properly construct a roster around Simmons? Thanks!

There isn’t any planet where Butler is better at being a PG. That should’ve never been a debate, discussion or anything. It should’ve been Embiid, Simmons, THEN Butler. Don’t be mad you traded for a guy who didn’t know his damn place and hated Brett Brown not massaging his ego.

Where is he doing that in Miami full time under Spo? It’s okay to admit the Sixers don’t know what their doing outside of relying on Embiid. No long term shooting talent, no real leadership gets, no real plan.

I’ve lived this life already with the prime Dwight era in Orlando, before that watching Knick fans get blue in the face (literally) defending Ewing, coaching despite it being obvious who the the real issue is. Never ends well.

[MrDollarBills]

I can't blame Harden for leaving.

If you had to choose between playing with a healthy MVP level Embiid, a young stud guard like Maxey, and being coached by Doc or playing with an often injured KD, a part time clown like Kyrie and being coached by the most unqualified coach the league has ever seen, you would be a liar if you say you'd choose us over what the 76ers have.

Harden looked better tonight than he ever has in a Nets uniform

Marks is running a circus right now. This is absolute clown sh*t and Ben isn't going to fix this

[Iverson Armband]

Thanks guys

[MrDollarBills]

Thanks guys

We look like clowns right now. Sixers are probably winning a championship while the Nets chose to coddle Kyrie instead of throwing him in the garbage where he belongs the moment he lied to Marks about getting vaccinated

Sixers fans have every right to be happy.

[Jay555]

I can't blame Harden for leaving.

If you had to choose between playing with a healthy MVP level Embiid, a young stud guard like Maxey, and being coached by Doc or playing with an often injured KD, a part time clown like Kyrie and being coached by the most unqualified coach the league has ever seen, you would be a liar if you say you'd choose us over what the 76ers have.

Harden looked better tonight than he ever has in a Nets uniform

Marks is running a circus right now. This is absolute clown sh*t and Ben isn't going to fix this

Harden was amazing last season too. You have a short memory.

But this season the non shooters, Nash, injuries, Kyrie and the heavy mins Nash put on Harden have got to him. I still believe he would not have left if we had the right personnel - Mike D'antoni and capable shooters.

Having said that, it's the best result for both teams.

[MrDollarBills]

I can't blame Harden for leaving.

If you had to choose between playing with a healthy MVP level Embiid, a young stud guard like Maxey, and being coached by Doc or playing with an often injured KD, a part time clown like Kyrie and being coached by the most unqualified coach the league has ever seen, you would be a liar if you say you'd choose us over what the 76ers have.

Harden looked better tonight than he ever has in a Nets uniform

Marks is running a circus right now. This is absolute clown sh*t and Ben isn't going to fix this

Harden was amazing last season too. You have a short memory.

But this season the non shooters, Nash, injuries, Kyrie and the heavy mins Nash put on Harden have got to him. I still believe he would not have left if we had the right personnel - Mike D'antoni and capable shooters.

Having said that, it's the best result for both teams.

Yeah it is. Nets probably lose in the play in round, at bare minimum the Sixers make the finals.

Good job Sean Marks.

[rocketsfan100]

You can thank Kyrie dumbass for destroying a potential dynasty

[76ciology]

Sixers choose Ben over Jimmy. Before that offseason, Sixers denied trading Ben for Kawhi.

If Ben can score, Sixers wouldnt need Tobias. But because Ben can’t be that scorer, Sixers has to get Tobias to make up for Ben’s inability to be a scorer.

Ben is a bad fit for the Sixers. He also is not good enough to be no.2 for Embiid. Sixers wouldnt need Harden if only Ben lives up to his expectation or atleast just show some improvement with his shooting since year 1, but just by looking at his FT% you can see that he clearly is having a hard time to improve his shooting. Sixers can’t wait forever for Ben

Ben fits the Warriors or the Nets right now when you have a lot of shooters and scorers where he can play that Draymond or Rajon Rondo role.

Question is.. will Kyrie and KD let Ben have that much ball time like Draymond and Rondo? Will Ben want to be just a better version of Bruce Brown, which means a lot of playing off ball on offense that will lead a huge decrease on his assists and pts numbers?

Overall, I think Ben can be a much better player with the Nets. But there are some issues that needs to get resolved, and most of it involves pride and ego.

[HardenGoat]

Iam convinced it came down to Kyrie. His answer to Harden confirmed he wasn’t all in. Probably said another chip would be nice but it wasn’t that high on his to do list. His behavior confirmed it. Took the wind right out of the sails. Harden just wants to win a championship and he will do whatever it takes including hate and criticism on the way. To win Harden knows everyone has to buy in and they have to believe in a coach as well. I think Durant can win again he is the best player in the league and competes at the highest level, he has to stay healthy though and he should cut Kyrie loose if he does anything again that distracts the team.

[Sixteen]

Lol @ Ben being a better option @ PG than Jimmy Butler. Lost all interest to argue any point after that comment.

[gigantes]

Lol @ Ben being a better option @ PG than Jimmy Butler. Lost all interest to argue any point after that comment.

Just to be clear, we all agree that both are pretty bad true PG options, right?

[Ksny13]

Iam convinced it came down to Kyrie. His answer to Harden confirmed he wasn’t all in. Probably said another chip would be nice but it wasn’t that high on his to do list. His behavior confirmed it. Took the wind right out of the sails. Harden just wants to win a championship and he will do whatever it takes including hate and criticism on the way. To win Harden knows everyone has to buy in and they have to believe in a coach as well. I think Durant can win again he is the best player in the league and competes at the highest level, he has to stay healthy though and he should cut Kyrie loose if he does anything again that distracts the team.

100% it came down to Kyrie. He completely **** Brooklyn. I hope for KDs sake he unhitches his wagon from Kyrie. Any team with KD regardless of who is coaching them will always be a contender. Brooklyn can rebound easy this off-season. Dame will want out. If I'm Brooklyn I'm throwing Kyrie and whatever else to get him with KD.