WOJ: Harden, Millsap for Simmons, Curry, Drummons, Two #1's

[bargara]

I can't blame Harden for leaving.

If you had to choose between playing with a healthy MVP level Embiid, a young stud guard like Maxey, and being coached by Doc or playing with an often injured KD, a part time clown like Kyrie and being coached by the most unqualified coach the league has ever seen, you would be a liar if you say you'd choose us over what the 76ers have.

Harden looked better tonight than he ever has in a Nets uniform

Marks is running a circus right now. This is absolute clown sh*t and Ben isn't going to fix this

Harden was amazing last season too. You have a short memory.

But this season the non shooters, Nash, injuries, Kyrie and the heavy mins Nash put on Harden have got to him. I still believe he would not have left if we had the right personnel - Mike D'antoni and capable shooters.

Having said that, it's the best result for both teams.

Yeah it is. Nets probably lose in the play in round, at bare minimum the Sixers make the finals.

Good job Sean Marks.

Sixers defence, rebounding, athleticism and bench are all poor to average

You’re overreacting to one game against a team on a b2b who played badly

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

Question is.. will Kyrie and KD let Ben have that much ball time like Draymond and Rondo? Will Ben want to be just a better version of Bruce Brown, which means a lot of playing off ball on offense that will lead a huge decrease on his assists and pts numbers?

Overall, I think Ben can be a much better player with the Nets. But there are some issues that needs to get resolved, and most of it involves pride and ego.

This is also the biggest question mark for me, as far as incorporating Ben into the Nets. I see the issue of his effectivity & willingness to shoot jumpers as only secondary.

I hope this fresh start gives him all the motivation he needs to figure it out.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Trade was stupid.

I don't know why anyone thinks we won.

Simmons is a headcase who can't play. Kyrie can't be trusted.

We were a week away from KD/Harden playing together. With Dragic. And Kyrie would be back before the playoffs.

[76ciology]

Trade was stupid.

I don't know why anyone thinks we won.

Simmons is a headcase who can't play. Kyrie can't be trusted.

We were a week away from KD/Harden playing together. With Dragic. And Kyrie would be back before the playoffs.

Could have been just a Harden for Ben swap with Harden forcing his way to the Sixers by offseason. Thats the POV IMO of the people who thinks Nets got the edge on the deal

[MrDollarBills]

Sixers choose Ben over Jimmy. Before that offseason, Sixers denied trading Ben for Kawhi.

If Ben can score, Sixers wouldnt need Tobias. But because Ben can’t be that scorer, Sixers has to get Tobias to make up for Ben’s inability to be a scorer.

Ben is a bad fit for the Sixers. He also is not good enough to be no.2 for Embiid. Sixers wouldnt need Harden if only Ben lives up to his expectation or atleast just show some improvement with his shooting since year 1, but just by looking at his FT% you can see that he clearly is having a hard time to improve his shooting. Sixers can’t wait forever for Ben

Ben fits the Warriors or the Nets right now when you have a lot of shooters and scorers where he can play that Draymond or Rajon Rondo role.

Question is.. will Kyrie and KD let Ben have that much ball time like Draymond and Rondo? Will Ben want to be just a better version of Bruce Brown, which means a lot of playing off ball on offense that will lead a huge decrease on his assists and pts numbers?

Overall, I think Ben can be a much better player with the Nets. But there are some issues that needs to get resolved, and most of it involves pride and ego.

I don't think there will be an issue with KD and Kyrie giving Ben time on the ball. Neither of them are selfish players (on the court).

[MrDollarBills]

Trade was stupid.

I don't know why anyone thinks we won.

Simmons is a headcase who can't play. Kyrie can't be trusted.

We were a week away from KD/Harden playing together. With Dragic. And Kyrie would be back before the playoffs.

Could have been just a Harden for Ben swap with Harden forcing his way to the Sixers by offseason. Thats the POV IMO of the people who thinks Nets got the edge on the deal

There was zero reason for the Nets to hold Harden hostage. He didn't want to be here and had burned his bridges with the locker room.

I'd rather take what we got instead of keeping someone who didn't want to be here and played like it.

[MrDollarBills]

You can thank Kyrie dumbass for destroying a potential dynasty

Pretty much. Part time player, part time results.

[MrDollarBills]

Iam convinced it came down to Kyrie. His answer to Harden confirmed he wasn’t all in. Probably said another chip would be nice but it wasn’t that high on his to do list. His behavior confirmed it. Took the wind right out of the sails. Harden just wants to win a championship and he will do whatever it takes including hate and criticism on the way. To win Harden knows everyone has to buy in and they have to believe in a coach as well. I think Durant can win again he is the best player in the league and competes at the highest level, he has to stay healthy though and he should cut Kyrie loose if he does anything again that distracts the team.

Harden was all in last year. Anyone who thinks Kyrie, Nash, and the poor roster construction aren't the reasons Harden bailed is delusional. He wants to win, not play ABCD camp pals with KD and Kyrie.

[phifans]

So, you are confirming my point that the Sixers had **** management since Hinkie and didn’t properly construct a roster around Simmons? Thanks!

There isn’t any planet where Butler is better at being a PG. That should’ve never been a debate, discussion or anything. It should’ve been Embiid, Simmons, THEN Butler. Don’t be mad you traded for a guy who didn’t know his damn place and hated Brett Brown not massaging his ego.

Where is he doing that in Miami full time under Spo? It’s okay to admit the Sixers don’t know what their doing outside of relying on Embiid. No long term shooting talent, no real leadership gets, no real plan.

I’ve lived this life already with the prime Dwight era in Orlando, before that watching Knick fans get blue in the face (literally) defending Ewing, coaching despite it being obvious who the the real issue is. Never ends well.

You don't even get the point of this situation. The question is not how much did Philly do to build around Ben but how soon did they eventually realize/admit that Ben is not the player they are waiting for. Finally they wasted four years to figure it out and what they did before that does not really matter at all.

[LOUiS-D]

I'm fken depressed right now. We've created a monster in our own division, meanwhile our sh** is real tenuous. This couldn't be more self inflicted.

[therealbig3]

I'm fken depressed right now. We've created a monster in our own division, meanwhile our sh** is real tenuous. This couldn't be more self inflicted.

I mean, we got the best we could given the situation.

I knew Philly would be better, and I knew Harden would play much better pretty much immediately, he has his motivation back...basically exactly like when he got traded to us last year.

Philly essentially added James Harden to the team they already had, in place of two role players, cuz Simmons was giving them nothing this year anyway. Good for them, I hold no ill will against them.

It's **** ing James Harden that I despise. Dude is never happy, and it's always everyone else's fault. Meanwhile, he plays like garbage whenever you need him most.

I'm not saying this to be a hater, cuz I really do have no hard feelings against Philly, but I think Harden is gonna wear out his welcome with them in short order too...it's just who he is.

[GTR11]

So, you are confirming my point that the Sixers had **** management since Hinkie and didn’t properly construct a roster around Simmons? Thanks!

There isn’t any planet where Butler is better at being a PG. That should’ve never been a debate, discussion or anything. It should’ve been Embiid, Simmons, THEN Butler. Don’t be mad you traded for a guy who didn’t know his damn place and hated Brett Brown not massaging his ego.

Where is he doing that in Miami full time under Spo? It’s okay to admit the Sixers don’t know what their doing outside of relying on Embiid. No long term shooting talent, no real leadership gets, no real plan.

I’ve lived this life already with the prime Dwight era in Orlando, before that watching Knick fans get blue in the face (literally) defending Ewing, coaching despite it being obvious who the the real issue is. Never ends well.

You don't even get the point of this situation. The question is not how much did Philly do to build around Ben but how soon did they eventually realize/admit that Ben is not the player they are waiting for. Finally they wasted four years to figure it out and what they did before that does not really matter at all.

You both not hearing each other. Two of you pretty much agree on facts. One thing led to another period.

[GTR11]

I'm fken depressed right now. We've created a monster in our own division, meanwhile our sh** is real tenuous. This couldn't be more self inflicted.

I mean, we got the best we could given the situation.

I knew Philly would be better, and I knew Harden would play much better pretty much immediately, he has his motivation back...basically exactly like when he got traded to us last year.

Philly essentially added James Harden to the team they already had, in place of two role players, cuz Simmons was giving them nothing this year anyway. Good for them, I hold no ill will against them.

It's **** ing James Harden that I despise. Dude is never happy, and it's always everyone else's fault. Meanwhile, he plays like garbage whenever you need him most.

I'm not saying this to be a hater, cuz I really do have no hard feelings against Philly, but I think Harden is gonna wear out his welcome with them in short order too...it's just who he is.

Meh, let people vent man. Let them clear their system . We already spoke on this and pretty much beating on a dead horse.

Philthy -> immediately wins trade due to addition of top 10 player. This making them legit contender right now. Thing to be concerned about, Harden extension.
BK -> extended their chip window. Concern, Ben development and mental state.

[GTR11]

Trade was stupid.

I don't know why anyone thinks we won.

Simmons is a headcase who can't play. Kyrie can't be trusted.

We were a week away from KD/Harden playing together. With Dragic. And Kyrie would be back before the playoffs.

Could have been just a Harden for Ben swap with Harden forcing his way to the Sixers by offseason. Thats the POV IMO of the people who thinks Nets got the edge on the deal

If flat earth creature gets vaccinated there's no Hardrn to Philthy trade . Go back to your board with dumb takes you dropping here.

[GTR11]

I'm fken depressed right now. We've created a monster in our own division, meanwhile our sh** is real tenuous. This couldn't be more self inflicted.

Take a deep breath man . There's 20+ games before playoffs. Us getting KD, Ben and full time Kyrie can can switch things in a blink of a eye.

[drchaos]

I think our front office did their best under the circumstances but I still want to see tampering charges against Philly.

[Karate Diop]

I'm fken depressed right now. We've created a monster in our own division, meanwhile our sh** is real tenuous. This couldn't be more self inflicted.

I mean, we got the best we could given the situation.

I knew Philly would be better, and I knew Harden would play much better pretty much immediately, he has his motivation back...basically exactly like when he got traded to us last year.

Philly essentially added James Harden to the team they already had, in place of two role players, cuz Simmons was giving them nothing this year anyway. Good for them, I hold no ill will against them.

It's **** ing James Harden that I despise. Dude is never happy, and it's always everyone else's fault. Meanwhile, he plays like garbage whenever you need him most.

I'm not saying this to be a hater, cuz I really do have no hard feelings against Philly, but I think Harden is gonna wear out his welcome with them in short order too...it's just who he is.

Yeah the fact that Harden mailed it in front day 1 this season is what bothers me the most...

Philly got the best player in the deal so they're obviously better than before, but there's still the whole playoff choking they're going to have to overcome with Rivers / Embiid and now Harden...

[Hello Brooklyn]

Trade was stupid.

I don't know why anyone thinks we won.

Simmons is a headcase who can't play. Kyrie can't be trusted.

We were a week away from KD/Harden playing together. With Dragic. And Kyrie would be back before the playoffs.

Could have been just a Harden for Ben swap with Harden forcing his way to the Sixers by offseason. Thats the POV IMO of the people who thinks Nets got the edge on the deal

I'd be ok with a pure swap if need be.

I still fully believe nobody was beating us with KD-Harden-Kyrie. We were by far the best team in the league.

Harden wouldn't leave if we won a CHampionship.

And if he did its worth the cost of Curry, two first rounders.

We didn't even get Thybulle. The trade was a disaster.

I have no faith in Ben Simmons or Kyrie anymore.

[76ciology]

Trade was stupid.

I don't know why anyone thinks we won.

Simmons is a headcase who can't play. Kyrie can't be trusted.

We were a week away from KD/Harden playing together. With Dragic. And Kyrie would be back before the playoffs.

Could have been just a Harden for Ben swap with Harden forcing his way to the Sixers by offseason. Thats the POV IMO of the people who thinks Nets got the edge on the deal

I'd be ok with a pure swap if need be.

I still fully believe nobody was beating us with KD-Harden-Kyrie. We were by far the best team in the league.

Harden wouldn't leave if we won a CHampionship.

And if he did its worth the cost of Curry, two first rounders.

We didn't even get Thybulle. The trade was a disaster.

I have no faith in Ben Simmons or Kyrie anymore.

I think you guys are going to be good. Its just a matter of if everyone buys into the team or not.

You guys have been playing with a couple of negative floor spacers 4&5 that may allow you to play Ben and a big without any issues

[Xtruroyaltyx77]

Not a big Harden fan, but I think Embiid and Maxey are the perfect running mates for him. Harden loves the pnr with the big man and Embiid can roll, pop out or stop in between. Then they still have Maxey to push the pace and be a secondary ball handler. Next year Morey will likely add more shooting.

From the Nets perspective, anytime you have Kyrie and Durant you're going to be in contention. I like Simmons, but my worry would be in late game situations, especially in the playoffs, it's going to be difficult for him to make a difference offensively, especially if there is a big man on the court.

During the course of the game he'll get plenty of opportunities to run the show which is where he'll shine. Problem is, in late game situations he's going to be sent to the line of he has the ball and also, you don't really want him to have the ball in those spots vs having it in KD or Kyrie's hands. And as an off ball player he brings even less value than Harden. Harden can at least catch and shoot even if he doesn't move or cut much.

We'll see how it goes. Could be really really good, or just ok.