PG: Raps get hammered

[Boogie!]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

[prelude00]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

How can you blame a coach for wanting to win?

If the raptors were shoving 20 minutes of Svi, Yuta, Flynn down our throats every night and losing, raptor fans would be asking for Nick's head.

I don't see how him trying to win games with what ever amalgamation of players he can throw out there is a cop out.

A coach is judged on the wins they produce.

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[Tor_Raps]

I just checked the stats and this was the 1st 3 pointer made by Svi in 2022 lol.

[Dalek]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

I'd argue that Boston is riding their starters hard since they turned things around. They are younger and have a ton of talent but the method is the same.

I know it is easy to look at Nurse and say why aren't you extending the bench? But we have a lot of fringe players and rooks. It was flawed roster construction from the beginning - No capable bench PG, no 3 and D guy, no C that is steady although Precious has somewhat turned a corner.

I think this stretch will be tough but OG has a broken finger not a mins issue. Siakam has the flu which is just bad timing. Fred is like Kyle and stubborn and doesn't know how to take care of himself. I would bet he played through some pain for a while.

[pingpongrac]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

Nurse hasn't been consistently doing that all season long though. It was basically a month-long stretch where we were finally healthy for the first time all year and the starters were actually getting to play together which resulted in a lot of wins and close losses against top teams.

The minutes increased after a couple of blowout wins in early January and they stayed high for the most part until just before the break. We went 15-8 in that stretch with wins against the Bucks (x2), Heat (x2), Hawks (x2), Hornets (x2) and Bulls most notably. Siakam and FVV were playing 40 MPG while OG/GTJ/Scottie were in the 35-37 MPG range. Achiuwa and Boucher played every game and chipped in 21-24 MPG while Banton (16 GP and 11 MPG), Birch (13 GP and 14 MPG), Champagnie (13 GP and 9 MPG) and Flynn (9 GP and 9 MPG) were used situationally throughout those 23 games. It wasn't a consistent 7-man rotation; that was only the case for ~10 games which mostly correlated with GTJ being injured for 6 games and us playing against tough teams. Nurse has mostly been playing 8-10 guys for the past month; the starters have dropped 2-3 MPG and Boucher and Achiuwa continued to play 20 MPG while Birch (back from injury and playing 15-20 MPG now), Thad (15-20 MPG seems like how he will be used) and Banton (15 straight GP averaging 12 MPG) have worked their way into being full-time rotation players.

[Los_29]

Why is Khem Birch costing us over $6 mil when he should be making the minimum?

I feel like birch/drummond got inverted contracts. I actually lobbied for drummond coming here last year when he was a buyout. He had the opportunity to look really good here, and not be under pressure should things go poorly. Playing with the lakers ended up tanking his value, just like I thought it would. He likely didn't even consider joining us. Lowry could've made him look great.

Hasn't Drummond been on 4 teams in the past two years? Drummond is simply not the answer, he's a stat padder who doesn't do the right things on the court.

People were also lobbying for Richaun Holmes and now he's playing like 10 minutes a night.

There is a reason why teams don't want these guys.

[Boogie!]

Lmao people blaming Nick nurse. Literally any other coach in the league and this team is in 11th. A rotation piece on this team got crossed up by Mason **** Plumlee yesterday, and you guys have the nerve to blame coaching. They legit have 5 NBA rotational players throughout the entire roster, for them to be in 7th is due to a coaching masterclass.

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

How can you blame a coach for wanting to win?

If the raptors were shoving 20 minutes of Svi, Yuta, Flynn down our throats every night and losing, raptor fans would be asking for Nick's head.

I don't see how him trying to win games with what ever amalgamation of players he can throw out there is a cop out.

A coach is judged on the wins they produce.

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I’m not blaming a coach for wanting to win. I’ve acknowledged that I understand why he’s doing it. But I also think what he’s doing doesn’t somehow prove he’s a good coach. We’ve had two games in the past two weeks where we’ve looked atrocious on both ends of the ball. We got whooped by a decimated blazers squad, almost lost to a few COVID invested teams if it wasn’t for individual elite performances. That means there’s a flaw in the system. To be running out only your entire starting lineup just to barely win games and then get absolutely wrecked in multiple ones, this system isn’t sustainable.

The team is RELYING on its talent. I don’t see nick nurse doing anything innovative thats making it easier for the team. If he was able to get this team to win while using the bench, while playing the young guys more, then I’d call him a genius.

Every time we get destroyed it’s the same thing. Wide open 3 after wide open 3. Penetrating, collapsed defense, kick to an open shooter, scramble, swing to another shooter, open 3… this is the norm. This isn’t just one game. This is a pattern. For a team that is supposed to be defense first with elite defenders, this level of incompetence shouldn’t happen.

Then there’s the offense… while teams are picking our elite defense apart, we’re out here dribbling the clock away, trying to making pull up 3s or force shots in traffic… it’s like all of our shots are struggle buckets… no one is moving without the ball, no one is passing efficiently on cue…

I don’t see any level of genius coaching here.

[Los_29]

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

How can you blame a coach for wanting to win?

If the raptors were shoving 20 minutes of Svi, Yuta, Flynn down our throats every night and losing, raptor fans would be asking for Nick's head.

I don't see how him trying to win games with what ever amalgamation of players he can throw out there is a cop out.

A coach is judged on the wins they produce.

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I’m not blaming a coach for wanting to win. I’ve acknowledged that I understand why he’s doing it. But I also think what he’s doing doesn’t somehow prove he’s a good coach. We’ve had two games in the past two weeks where we’ve looked atrocious on both ends of the ball. We got whooped by a decimated blazers squad, almost lost to a few COVID invested teams if it wasn’t for individual elite performances. That means there’s a flaw in the system. To be running out only your entire starting lineup just to barely win games and then get absolutely wrecked in multiple ones, this system isn’t sustainable.

The team is RELYING on its talent. I don’t see nick nurse doing anything innovative thats making it easier for the team. If he was able to get this team to win while using the bench, while playing the young guys more, then I’d call him a genius.

Every time we get destroyed it’s the same thing. Wide open 3 after wide open 3. Penetrating, collapsed defense, kick to an open shooter, scramble, swing to another shooter, open 3… this is the norm. This isn’t just one game. This is a pattern. For a team that is supposed to be defense first with elite defenders, this level of incompetence shouldn’t happen.

Then there’s the offense… while teams are picking our elite defense apart, we’re out here dribbling the clock away, trying to making pull up 3s or force shots in traffic… it’s like all of our shots are struggle buckets… no one is moving without the ball, no one is passing efficiently on cue…

I don’t see any level of genius coaching here.

What's our record? What does it matter if we dropped a couple games to bad teams? Elite teams have done the same. That's the nature of basketball. Was there a flaw in the system when we beat teams like Chicago, Miami, Milwaukee, Memphis and Boston? We've beaten great teams and we've lost to bad teams. That's pretty standard for a young team.

And what you are describing is what happens with young teams. If you don't have the patience for a rebuild then Raptors basketball is going to be hard for you to watch.

[Ref_from_hell]

People who said that the core of Fred, Siakam, and OG should eventually be traded away have gotten a serious amount of hate this season, but it's quietly looking like they are quite farsighted and will be proven right in the long run. This core is not contender material, and it has several deep flaws you can't fix with a supporting bench.

If you trade all 3 of FVV, Siakam, and OG in the off-season you could theoretically get back a lot of quality pieces. Serious pieces. Then you take another step back, retool for a year, and build the team around a different direction. Have patience.

So, we're going to get a lot of quality pieces, better than FVV, Siakam, and OG, at similar or younger ages, in exchange for Siakam. FVV, and OG?

Have patience means you realize that DeRozan is just now showing what he could be, and you want to give up on Pascal, FVV, and OG, at their ages?

His username tells you everything you need to know. Trade everyone but Scottie and tank in order to produce five more Scotties

[dgr81]

turned the game off in the first quarter when i was disgusted by how our PG decided to play. looks like everyone else but scottie, decided to play like **** as well.

[Dennis 37]

Deciding to ride your starters 40 mpg and run a 7 man rotation in the regular season isn't exactly a coaching masterclass. It's desperation. There's a reason why no other coaches are doing it. It's a cop out move.

How can you blame a coach for wanting to win?

If the raptors were shoving 20 minutes of Svi, Yuta, Flynn down our throats every night and losing, raptor fans would be asking for Nick's head.

I don't see how him trying to win games with what ever amalgamation of players he can throw out there is a cop out.

A coach is judged on the wins they produce.

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I’m not blaming a coach for wanting to win. I’ve acknowledged that I understand why he’s doing it. But I also think what he’s doing doesn’t somehow prove he’s a good coach. We’ve had two games in the past two weeks where we’ve looked atrocious on both ends of the ball. We got whooped by a decimated blazers squad, almost lost to a few COVID invested teams if it wasn’t for individual elite performances. That means there’s a flaw in the system. To be running out only your entire starting lineup just to barely win games and then get absolutely wrecked in multiple ones, this system isn’t sustainable.

The team is RELYING on its talent. I don’t see nick nurse doing anything innovative thats making it easier for the team. If he was able to get this team to win while using the bench, while playing the young guys more, then I’d call him a genius.

Every time we get destroyed it’s the same thing. Wide open 3 after wide open 3. Penetrating, collapsed defense, kick to an open shooter, scramble, swing to another shooter, open 3… this is the norm. This isn’t just one game. This is a pattern. For a team that is supposed to be defense first with elite defenders, this level of incompetence shouldn’t happen.

Then there’s the offense… while teams are picking our elite defense apart, we’re out here dribbling the clock away, trying to making pull up 3s or force shots in traffic… it’s like all of our shots are struggle buckets… no one is moving without the ball, no one is passing efficiently on cue…

I don’t see any level of genius coaching here.

The hornets have Ball, so I was expecting things from him, but the rest of the team is a bunch of nobodies. They made us look like crap.

Its not just this game. Almost every single game we are in the hole by the first substitution. That tells me the starting lineup just doesn't work. There is never enough urgency right from the start of the game.

[Steelo Green]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

Just been busy.

I’ll give credit to a good comeback from lottery team but looks like we will be a play in team which is basically directionless.

Post the trade for Thad I am just baffled by the loss of an asset for no reason.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Hey steelo, whereas typically raptors fans think that a draft pick in the late teens is a lotto pick in Masai's hands, now that we've traded said pick for a certain Thaddeus Young, we've come to the realization that the dropoff from a pick in the midlate first round is not considerable and pretty much equivalent to a second round pick. Of course should we have such a draft pick n the future, and choose not to trade it, it will once again, appropriately, be considered quite highly as an asset.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

Just been busy.

I’ll give credit to a good comeback from lottery team but looks like we will be a play in team which is basically directionless.

Post the trade for Thad I am just baffled by the loss of an asset for no reason.

Hey steelo, whereas typically raptors fans think that a draft pick in the late teens is a lotto pick in Masai's hands, now that we've traded said pick for a certain Thaddeus Young, we've come to the realization that the dropoff from a pick in the midlate first round is not considerable and pretty much equivalent to a second round pick. Of course should we have such a draft pick n the future, and choose not to trade it, it will once again, appropriately, be considered quite highly as an asset.

[macNcheese3]

We need to win games against teams like the Hornets, while they have improved we can't go on a stretch of losing games.

[agkagk]

oj for mvp!

[ATLTimekeeper]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

Just been busy.

I’ll give credit to a good comeback from lottery team but looks like we will be a play in team which is basically directionless.

Post the trade for Thad I am just baffled by the loss of an asset for no reason.

It was to strengthen the team for the playoffs. If you don't remember, you backed the 8 seed Nets against the Raptors, so there's at least some part of you that must believe these Raptors have a chance at defeating a top seed and make NBA history.

[pingpongrac]

U been quiet for a awhile. Interesting timing to make a comeback.

Nick Nurse teams have traditionally played badly on multiple days rest for whatever reason so I wasn’t too surprised with tonight’s effort, especially after the all star break. Everybody but Barnes looked rusty and slow. Just a bad game collectively after a big layoff. We will probably get a much better effort tomorrow. In fact, I expect to win tomorrow.

Put this one away. Burn the tape. Just a bad game.

Just been busy.

I’ll give credit to a good comeback from lottery team but looks like we will be a play in team which is basically directionless.

Post the trade for Thad I am just baffled by the loss of an asset for no reason.

It was to strengthen the team for the playoffs. If you don't remember, you backed the 8 seed Nets against the Raptors, so there's at least some part of you that must believe these Raptors have a chance at defeating a top seed and make NBA history.

That was different. The Nets had the uber-talented LeVert leading the way for them against a bunch of scrubs.

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[Ref_from_hell]

Fred is overrated. Good player, but he ain't no All-Star. Just a high volume shooter who's a good defender. No other strengths.
Glad he got the nod, but I fear that it'll boost his ego and he'll begin to revert back to some of his old ways. Saw it tonight, where he looked off wide open teammates and drove into the paint trying to finish over Plumee & Bridges.

It was painful to watch Birch play. I really hope he doesn't start tomorrow. Guys a bonafide bum.

Happy to see a Raptors game, disappointed to see the outcome.

Hope we can bounce back and pick up the dub tomorrow.

Oh look it's this guy overreacting again. Your takes literally bounce up and down depending on each game. Take a deep breath. Relax. It's clear Fred is struggling through injury and trying to play through it. You crapping on our starting point guard first game back after the All-Star break when he's not even 100% is embarrassing.

Taking anything substantial away from this game is an overreaction. It's a long season.

[Vampirate]

The reality is this team is as most said - a play in team. The dreaded 7-11.

The other reality is in order to not be a play in team in the playoffs you need to have a .600+ win percentage in the East this year. Go look at the standings.

The Raptors are probably a 1st round exit, however you shouldn't be judging it by this game.

Basically a worse play in team smashed the better play in team. Charlotte is playing for their playoff lives atm (so is Atlanta btw), the Raptors have more of a cushion.

There's literally nothing to look at with this game tbh.