2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[OAKLEY_2]

I am a bit cheesed that the Heat got Javonte Smart. I really liked that kid on LSU. Heat also recently signed Haywood Highsmith. They are at least testing out some options. The Heat always get these bargain guys.

They have Max Strus hitting 40% from three and Omer Yurtseven getting double-doubles. Why can't we develop guys faster? Are we taking on too many weird projects? I will say that Miami focuses on guys who can shoot and then teaches them defense. I don't know why we focus just on defense so much.

Our player development used to work for a lot players, but since Chris Boucher, we haven't developed anything decent.

Seriously. Did not develop Fred. Did not develop Paskal. Not developing Trent Jr. Not developing OG. Not developing Barnes. Not developing Precious. Maybe school goes longer than one semester?

[Dalek]

I am a bit cheesed that the Heat got Javonte Smart. I really liked that kid on LSU. Heat also recently signed Haywood Highsmith. They are at least testing out some options. The Heat always get these bargain guys.

They have Max Strus hitting 40% from three and Omer Yurtseven getting double-doubles. Why can't we develop guys faster? Are we taking on too many weird projects? I will say that Miami focuses on guys who can shoot and then teaches them defense. I don't know why we focus just on defense so much.

Our player development used to work for a lot players, but since Chris Boucher, we haven't developed anything decent.

Seriously. Did not develop Fred. Did not develop Paskal. Not developing Trent Jr. Not developing OG. Not developing Barnes. Not developing Precious. Maybe school goes longer than one semester?

Wait, how do we get credit for developing Trent Jr? He obviously developed his game from watching and playing with CJ and Lillard, same as Simons. Fred/Pascal/OG are the last great development projects and like I mentioned, we are waiting on the next ones. The record with player development is that Toronto is really strong with it, but since 2019 we have not seen much if any steals.

Maybe it was buried in the post, but I think Toronto should for once abandon looking at defense first players and target guys who can shoot and make plays since it can at least have some gravitational impact on the game. Miami got Duncan Robinson (undrafted), Max Strus (undrafted), Gabe Vincent (undrafted) and Omer Yurtseven (undrafted). All of these guys can score and are good enough defenders to be key bench pieces.

Toronto, too often focuses on long-term developmental projects that have been hit or miss (we tried McCaw, Bembry, STJ, Yuta and they all fell flat). Just find guys who can have potential to have one elite offensive skill and aren't total stiffs on defense (Svi, Matt Thomas or Sam Dekker come to mind), as opposed to taking these raw projects that don't have too much floor to work with.

[Morris_Shatford]

Who would we need the most for the MLE? obvioulsy the bench would be priority.

Malik Monk to me is such a perfect fit off the bench at the full MLE. He's only a year younger than GTJ and has a lot of room to grow. He can be the 6th starter and can slot in with any of our guys.

We have a few interesting way to potentially improve this summer;
The balance of the Lowry TPE is valid for at least the early part of free agency and there should be a TPE generated from the Dragic for Young deal as well as the MLE to be able to play with.

My 0.02;
There are a lot of young-ish more traditional bigs that will be RFAs the summer, centers also havent been scoring the sorts of dollars at least I expected them to over the last off season or so;

Toss the full MLE for a few years and try and secure a young big that way then use the TPEs to add some shooting.
I believe we also have the BAE if needed?

[execoftheyear]

I am a bit cheesed that the Heat got Javonte Smart. I really liked that kid on LSU. Heat also recently signed Haywood Highsmith. They are at least testing out some options. The Heat always get these bargain guys.

They have Max Strus hitting 40% from three and Omer Yurtseven getting double-doubles. Why can't we develop guys faster? Are we taking on too many weird projects? I will say that Miami focuses on guys who can shoot and then teaches them defense. I don't know why we focus just on defense so much.

Our player development used to work for a lot players, but since Chris Boucher, we haven't developed anything decent.

Seriously. Did not develop Fred. Did not develop Paskal. Not developing Trent Jr. Not developing OG. Not developing Barnes. Not developing Precious. Maybe school goes longer than one semester?

Wait, how do we get credit for developing Trent Jr? He obviously developed his game from watching and playing with CJ and Lillard, same as Simons. Fred/Pascal/OG are the last great development projects and like I mentioned, we are waiting on the next ones. The record with player development is that Toronto is really strong with it, but since 2019 we have not seen much if any steals.

Maybe it was buried in the post, but I think Toronto should for once abandon looking at defense first players and target guys who can shoot and make plays since it can at least have some gravitational impact on the game. Miami got Duncan Robinson (undrafted), Max Strus (undrafted), Gabe Vincent (undrafted) and Omer Yurtseven (undrafted). All of these guys can score and are good enough defenders to be key bench pieces.

Toronto, too often focuses on long-term developmental projects that have been hit or miss (we tried McCaw, Bembry, STJ, Yuta and they all fell flat). Just find guys who can have potential to have one elite offensive skill and aren't total stiffs on defense (Svi, Matt Thomas or Sam Dekker come to mind), as opposed to taking these raw projects that don't have too much floor to work with.

Terence Davis and Jalen Harris would've been good bench pieces had it not been for their off court antics, can't really control or predict that kind of stuff. Delano has shown that he can contribute. I'd consider Boucher a steal considering we got him for nothing, he's a player we developed into a key role player. Flynn hit that sophomore wall but I expect him to bounce back, he's not this bad. I think Precious is the next big development project since Siakam. He has a lot of tools to work with, just needs those reps and correct some mistakes.

I feel like now that we've pretty much established our core, Bobby/Masai will look to add those higher floor type players that can come in right away and contribute. Case in point, acquiring Young. I expect similar moves this offseason to compliment this core.

[causal_fan]

Looks like Zion will exit NO maybe this summer - most believe he is playing possum to force a trade and many speculate that he wants to go to New York and reunite with his Duke teammates - Should the raptors make a play and what should they offer - Siakam plus , Barnes plus ? or is the risk the Zion will not want to extend with the Raptors and/or is too injury prone outweigh the benefits.

[bluerap23]

I am a bit cheesed that the Heat got Javonte Smart. I really liked that kid on LSU. Heat also recently signed Haywood Highsmith. They are at least testing out some options. The Heat always get these bargain guys.

They have Max Strus hitting 40% from three and Omer Yurtseven getting double-doubles. Why can't we develop guys faster? Are we taking on too many weird projects? I will say that Miami focuses on guys who can shoot and then teaches them defense. I don't know why we focus just on defense so much.

Our player development used to work for a lot players, but since Chris Boucher, we haven't developed anything decent.

Seriously. Did not develop Fred. Did not develop Paskal. Not developing Trent Jr. Not developing OG. Not developing Barnes. Not developing Precious. Maybe school goes longer than one semester?

Wait, how do we get credit for developing Trent Jr? He obviously developed his game from watching and playing with CJ and Lillard, same as Simons. Fred/Pascal/OG are the last great development projects and like I mentioned, we are waiting on the next ones. The record with player development is that Toronto is really strong with it, but since 2019 we have not seen much if any steals.

Maybe it was buried in the post, but I think Toronto should for once abandon looking at defense first players and target guys who can shoot and make plays since it can at least have some gravitational impact on the game. Miami got Duncan Robinson (undrafted), Max Strus (undrafted), Gabe Vincent (undrafted) and Omer Yurtseven (undrafted). All of these guys can score and are good enough defenders to be key bench pieces.

Toronto, too often focuses on long-term developmental projects that have been hit or miss (we tried McCaw, Bembry, STJ, Yuta and they all fell flat). Just find guys who can have potential to have one elite offensive skill and aren't total stiffs on defense (Svi, Matt Thomas or Sam Dekker come to mind), as opposed to taking these raw projects that don't have too much floor to work with.

Because he is a vastly improved player since joining the raptors. The Heat and the Raptors are widely known to be the two best developmental programs in the NBA today. Maybe the Heat have a slight edge (though that is debatable). Whining that we aren't better than them is ridiculous.

[LoveMyRaps]

Looks like Zion will exit NO maybe this summer - most believe he is playing possum to force a trade and many speculate that he wants to go to New York and reunite with his Duke teammates - Should the raptors make a play and what should they offer - Siakam plus , Barnes plus ? or is the risk the Zion will not want to extend with the Raptors and/or is too injury prone outweigh the benefits.

Username checks out.

I'd do OG + Achiuwa + 1st for him. (Similar to the DeRozan-Kawhi deal)

I'm not sure how much Pels can get for him especially if he undergoes that rumored second ankle surgery.

One thing is for sure though, when he's healthy Zion is a superstar talent.
Unfortunately, that's rarely the case. And just to put things into perspective, if Zion sits out the rest of this season as he's expected to, he will have played only 3 more games than Greg Oden did in their first 3 seasons.

[Psubs]

Seriously. Did not develop Fred. Did not develop Paskal. Not developing Trent Jr. Not developing OG. Not developing Barnes. Not developing Precious. Maybe school goes longer than one semester?

Wait, how do we get credit for developing Trent Jr? He obviously developed his game from watching and playing with CJ and Lillard, same as Simons. Fred/Pascal/OG are the last great development projects and like I mentioned, we are waiting on the next ones. The record with player development is that Toronto is really strong with it, but since 2019 we have not seen much if any steals.

Maybe it was buried in the post, but I think Toronto should for once abandon looking at defense first players and target guys who can shoot and make plays since it can at least have some gravitational impact on the game. Miami got Duncan Robinson (undrafted), Max Strus (undrafted), Gabe Vincent (undrafted) and Omer Yurtseven (undrafted). All of these guys can score and are good enough defenders to be key bench pieces.

Toronto, too often focuses on long-term developmental projects that have been hit or miss (we tried McCaw, Bembry, STJ, Yuta and they all fell flat). Just find guys who can have potential to have one elite offensive skill and aren't total stiffs on defense (Svi, Matt Thomas or Sam Dekker come to mind), as opposed to taking these raw projects that don't have too much floor to work with.

Because he is a vastly improved player since joining the raptors. The Heat and the Raptors are widely known to be the two best developmental programs in the NBA today. Maybe the Heat have a slight edge (though that is debatable). Whining that we aren't better than them is ridiculous.

Had Portland traded McCollum a year earlier like they should've and gave more PT to Trent then maybe he develops as well. Raptors gave him an opportunity to start. Though maybe instilling that he needed to work on defense to start, gave him extra motivation?

[Madhouse]

Looks like Zion will exit NO maybe this summer - most believe he is playing possum to force a trade and many speculate that he wants to go to New York and reunite with his Duke teammates - Should the raptors make a play and what should they offer - Siakam plus , Barnes plus ? or is the risk the Zion will not want to extend with the Raptors and/or is too injury prone outweigh the benefits.

Too much of a risk given what is needed to trade for him.

[CANsportsguru]

Looks like Zion will exit NO maybe this summer - most believe he is playing possum to force a trade and many speculate that he wants to go to New York and reunite with his Duke teammates - Should the raptors make a play and what should they offer - Siakam plus , Barnes plus ? or is the risk the Zion will not want to extend with the Raptors and/or is too injury prone outweigh the benefits.

Pascal & Barnes is a huge overpay for someone that greatly out of shape and often injured because of it. Any package for Zion I wouldn't include Barnes. NO it's probably going to want a Superstar level player back or young Allstar(s) players with a lot of picks (non protected) in exchange for Zion. I know he's a tremendous talent I just don't see him ever living up to that talent.

[ontnut]

Wait, how do we get credit for developing Trent Jr? He obviously developed his game from watching and playing with CJ and Lillard, same as Simons. Fred/Pascal/OG are the last great development projects and like I mentioned, we are waiting on the next ones. The record with player development is that Toronto is really strong with it, but since 2019 we have not seen much if any steals.

Maybe it was buried in the post, but I think Toronto should for once abandon looking at defense first players and target guys who can shoot and make plays since it can at least have some gravitational impact on the game. Miami got Duncan Robinson (undrafted), Max Strus (undrafted), Gabe Vincent (undrafted) and Omer Yurtseven (undrafted). All of these guys can score and are good enough defenders to be key bench pieces.

Toronto, too often focuses on long-term developmental projects that have been hit or miss (we tried McCaw, Bembry, STJ, Yuta and they all fell flat). Just find guys who can have potential to have one elite offensive skill and aren't total stiffs on defense (Svi, Matt Thomas or Sam Dekker come to mind), as opposed to taking these raw projects that don't have too much floor to work with.

Because he is a vastly improved player since joining the raptors. The Heat and the Raptors are widely known to be the two best developmental programs in the NBA today. Maybe the Heat have a slight edge (though that is debatable). Whining that we aren't better than them is ridiculous.

Had Portland traded McCollum a year earlier like they should've and gave more PT to Trent then maybe he develops as well. Raptors gave him an opportunity to start. Though maybe instilling that he needed to work on defense to start, gave him extra motivation?

Dalek bemoaning the Raptors preferring defensive players is funny with the GTJ example because when GTJ got here, he was not known as a defensive player, that was the rub. He got to start because he played good defense, and that defense, along with increased production in increased minutes, is why he's viewed so positively now. So yes, in a way the Raptors did develop GTJ.

[Morris_Shatford]

Looks like Zion will exit NO maybe this summer - most believe he is playing possum to force a trade and many speculate that he wants to go to New York and reunite with his Duke teammates - Should the raptors make a play and what should they offer - Siakam plus , Barnes plus ? or is the risk the Zion will not want to extend with the Raptors and/or is too injury prone outweigh the benefits.

Zion has one season left before he is an RFA and likely need to be maxed out by the team that holds his rights;
He may takes his QO after his fourth year to get to UFA faster but given his injury history he strikes me as a guy who will want to be maxed out as quickly as humanly possible.

While me want may want to go to the Knicks;
Given he is an RFA his bargaining position is somewhat limited coupled with the fact that several teams would likely be able to offer NOP a significantly better "rebuild" or "retool" package depending on the direction they opt to go.

As to playing possum, I would imagine that NOP doctors are evaluating the guy so I am not sure I would lend too much credibility to any implication the injuries are not real.

Should the Raptors trade for him?
Maybe? Alex McKechnie is a magician and maybe Zion's body is salvageable, my concern is that if his body is already this broken down at 21 I don't have a ton of confidence he is going to be get healthier as he ages but ultimately it comes down to price Vs. risk.

I wouldn't move Siakam, Barnes, etc for the privilege of potentially having to create potentially the next Kristaps Porzingis contract
However the above OG + FRP is a risk I would likely take, but likely nowhere near what the NOP would be able to get elsewhere.

[Morris_Shatford]

And just to put things into perspective, if Zion sits out the rest of this season as he's expected to, he will have played only 3 more games than Greg Oden did in their first 3 seasons.

Wow,
I knew he had missed a lot of games but had no idea he was so close to the Greg Oden path.

[execoftheyear]

Looks like Zion will exit NO maybe this summer - most believe he is playing possum to force a trade and many speculate that he wants to go to New York and reunite with his Duke teammates - Should the raptors make a play and what should they offer - Siakam plus , Barnes plus ? or is the risk the Zion will not want to extend with the Raptors and/or is too injury prone outweigh the benefits.

Zion has one season left before he is an RFA and likely need to be maxed out by the team that holds his rights;
He may takes his QO after his fourth year to get to UFA faster but given his injury history he strikes me as a guy who will want to be maxed out as quickly as humanly possible.

While me want may want to go to the Knicks;
Given he is an RFA his bargaining position is somewhat limited coupled with the fact that several teams would likely be able to offer NOP a significantly better "rebuild" or "retool" package depending on the direction they opt to go.

As to playing possum, I would imagine that NOP doctors are evaluating the guy so I am not sure I would lend too much credibility to any implication the injuries are not real.

Should the Raptors trade for him?
Maybe? Alex McKechnie is a magician and maybe Zion's body is salvageable, my concern is that if his body is already this broken down at 21 I don't have a ton of confidence he is going to be get healthier as he ages but ultimately it comes down to price Vs. risk.

I wouldn't move Siakam, Barnes, etc for the privilege of potentially having to create potentially the next Kristaps Porzingis contract
However the above OG + FRP is a risk I would likely take, but likely nowhere near what the NOP would be able to get elsewhere.

I don't think Alex McKechnie can fix Zion's poor eating habits. You're not only getting an injured player but also a player who's had weight issues since coming into the league and a potential Eric Flynn/uncle Dennis situation if the rumours are true about Zion's family wanting him out of NO. If Zion actually took care of his body like Kawhi then I would be willing to take the risk but the man had all these weight concerns coming into the league and it's only going to get worse with his foot injury.

[Dalek]

Because he is a vastly improved player since joining the raptors. The Heat and the Raptors are widely known to be the two best developmental programs in the NBA today. Maybe the Heat have a slight edge (though that is debatable). Whining that we aren't better than them is ridiculous.

Had Portland traded McCollum a year earlier like they should've and gave more PT to Trent then maybe he develops as well. Raptors gave him an opportunity to start. Though maybe instilling that he needed to work on defense to start, gave him extra motivation?

Dalek bemoaning the Raptors preferring defensive players is funny with the GTJ example because when GTJ got here, he was not known as a defensive player, that was the rub. He got to start because he played good defense, and that defense, along with increased production in increased minutes, is why he's viewed so positively now. So yes, in a way the Raptors did develop GTJ.

I don't think that is completely correct. Trent Jr. did play good defense in Portland, it was just that those around him weren't the best and overall Portland has always been a so-so to bad defensive team. I watch the Blazers, they are kind of my western conference team (them and Denver), and Trent Jr. was a gritty defender - at least he took the toughest covers during his time there. People always notice the offensive explosions during the Bubble, but he was also a steady defender.

His coach: “I think he’s giving good effort, mentally he’s locked in, he’s gained experience in how to guard perimeter guys close to goal or off ball screens," Blazers head coach Terry Stotts said after Thursday’s win. "I think the biggest thing for me and the challenge for younger players is mentally anticipating -- seeing things. When people talk about effort, it’s more than that. I think it’s just being aware on every possession, not falling asleep, or being caught on the play. You gotta lock in on the task at hand."

Trent himself: "When you’re a young player in this league, when you touch the floor you got to be able to defend. Last year they told me to work on my defense and I took that to heart and watched some of my defense with the coaching staff to continue to get better at it."

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/gary-trent-jr-gets-defensive-which-keeps-him-trail-blazers-rotation

The difference was Trent adapting to the Raptor's schemes and knowing where to be. He was lost for the first quarter season with Toronto, and after a camp and knowing the expectations, he came in ready. He took a step up, but he has always had quick feet and good hands. Just watch his Portland film.

[agkagk]

Poor man’s Marc gasol?


“ Isaiah Hartenstein has been stellar in a backup role with the Clippers and he could cash in after the season, according to ESPN’s Zach Lowe. Hartenstein is shooting 62% from the field and has emerged as one of the best passing bigs in the league. Hartenstein will be an unrestricted free agent this summer after playing on a minimum contract and he could be in a line for a non-trivial portion of some team’s mid-level exception, Lowe believes “


….. any opinions on this guy?

[bboyskinnylegs]

Satoransky, and likely Tyreke headed elsewhere. Any other buyout candidates remaining before the Mar 1 deadline?

[pilkoids]

So if we end up out-of the playoffs we retain the pick and get the early 2nd rounder from SA?

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[Spida888]

So if we end up out-of the playoffs we retain the pick and get the early 2nd rounder from SA?

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Correct

[bboyskinnylegs]

So if we end up out-of the playoffs we retain the pick and get the early 2nd rounder from SA?

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it's Detroit's 2nd rounder, so likely #31-32