Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[DayofMourning]

The organization nailed the ‘17 and ‘19 drafts. That’s all I got to say bubba.

Yes. When those two have their A games together, were going to be tough to beat.

[al bondiga]

Gotta have Zo in the top 3 man.

Hell, CB > Bam too. Don’t get me wrong, Bam’s great and I hope he gets to another level, but he ain’t par with Zo or Bosh.

He said if Bam were to make the top 3 in the future, that’s not my current 3 lol.

Lol don’t twist my words clown… u said BAM will be a top 3 all time heater when it’s all said and done… and I asked (coz you said he will “apparently be top 3”) who your top 3 is… and you said wade james and bam lmao… BAM will never be a top 3 heat player of all time…

jeje... maybe Bam can turn into a superstar someday and be in the top three... as of now he gets lucky if he gets into the top 20 Heat

[al bondiga]

The organization nailed the ‘17 and ‘19 drafts. That’s all I got to say bubba.

stop the hate hitting guys
It's useless ...this guy is right but they're just superb picks right now ...especially bam

[rate_]

Would love to see how Bam performs against legit size in the frontcourt. That will the most telling as to whether or not this small ball scheme works. Looking forward to seeing him against Philly (Embiid), Milwaukee (when Brook returns), or Cleveland (Allen/Mobley) most especially, if they'll meet any of these team in the playoffs.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's kinda hard to predict How high Bam can get on the all-time Heat list simply because he doesn't feel like a finished product. He's still improving in some areas but I can't tell how high his ceiling realistically is ATM.

1) I think it's safe to say he'll never catch Wade and LBJ, those 2 are on another talent level.

2) Zo will also be a very challenging target, I think Zo had 2 meaningful advantage over Bam :

* He can out of college ready to dominate, he had the skill and mindset day 1. He was "the" star the first game in Heat jersey.
* He had a bigger physical advantage compared to Bam. Zo was just so strong and long, and While Bam is more athlthic then most bigs - I don't think he has the same impactful physical advantage.

3) The guy Bam might have a real shot at surpassing IMO is Bosh. While Bosh was great, Hall of fame and a champion, I think Bam could, with time, match his productivity. Bam is tougher, less skilled currently but could close the gap, and seems hungry and verastile enough to maybe reach that prime Bosh level but have a longer career, hopefully.

[HeatFanLifer]

It's kinda hard to predict How high Bam can get on the all-time Heat list simply because he doesn't feel like a finished product. He's still improving in some areas but I can't tell how high his ceiling realistically is ATM.

1) I think it's safe to say he'll never catch Wade and LBJ, those 2 are on another talent level.

2) Zo will also be a very challenging target, I think Zo had 2 meaningful advantage over Bam :

* He can out of college ready to dominate, he had the skill and mindset day 1. He was "the" star the first game in Heat jersey.
* He had a bigger physical advantage compared to Bam. Zo was just so strong and long, and While Bam is more athlthic then most bigs - I don't think he has the same impactful physical advantage.

3) The guy Bam might have a real shot at surpassing IMO is Bosh. While Bosh was great, Hall of fame and a champion, I think Bam could, with time, match his productivity. Bam is tougher, less skilled currently but could close the gap, and seems hungry and verastile enough to maybe reach that prime Bosh level but have a longer career, hopefully.

A lot is going to come down to the role Spo sees for Bam as well. I think Bam would do best at PF. Small ball is going to lead to more injuries and could cause long term issues such as loss of agility. I get that small ball has delivered a lot for Spo, but it’s a short term tactic, not a sustainable strategy to be built around.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's kinda hard to predict How high Bam can get on the all-time Heat list simply because he doesn't feel like a finished product. He's still improving in some areas but I can't tell how high his ceiling realistically is ATM.

1) I think it's safe to say he'll never catch Wade and LBJ, those 2 are on another talent level.

2) Zo will also be a very challenging target, I think Zo had 2 meaningful advantage over Bam :

* He can out of college ready to dominate, he had the skill and mindset day 1. He was "the" star the first game in Heat jersey.
* He had a bigger physical advantage compared to Bam. Zo was just so strong and long, and While Bam is more athlthic then most bigs - I don't think he has the same impactful physical advantage.

3) The guy Bam might have a real shot at surpassing IMO is Bosh. While Bosh was great, Hall of fame and a champion, I think Bam could, with time, match his productivity. Bam is tougher, less skilled currently but could close the gap, and seems hungry and verastile enough to maybe reach that prime Bosh level but have a longer career, hopefully.

A lot is going to come down to the role Spo sees for Bam as well. I think Bam would do best at PF. Small ball is going to lead to more injuries and could cause long term issues such as loss of agility. I get that small ball has delivered a lot for Spo, but it’s a short term tactic, not a sustainable strategy to be built around.

The traditionalist in me might agree, But i think we need to admit that in this day and age with current playing style - there's only a very specific type of C that can work next to Bam and not hurt other important aspects of our game.

That is - a C that is big enough to Guard the Jokic/Embbid/Allen types - while also being a good enough shooter to space the floor and not clog the paint for Bam and Jimmy.

So basically we want a 7 footer with a real outside shot, a strong willingness to shoot from 3, and also needs to be at least an average defender and rebounder (otherwise what's the point of playing big), and preferably someone who can switch on D. (because of Spo's preferences)

If we're not getting a healthy Prozingis or K.Towns..I'm not sure who can we get to fit that bill.

[HeatingUp3]

The organization nailed the ‘17 and ‘19 drafts. That’s all I got to say bubba.

Yes. When those two have their A games together, were going to be tough to beat.

Imagine nailing the '20 draft and pick Maxey. He is so good.

[DayofMourning]

The organization nailed the ‘17 and ‘19 drafts. That’s all I got to say bubba.

Yes. When those two have their A games together, were going to be tough to beat.

Imagine nailing the '20 draft and pick Maxey. He is so good.

I was definitely pro Maxey. Was definitely looking at bigs though, and Precious wasn't on my board.

[HeatFanLifer]

It's kinda hard to predict How high Bam can get on the all-time Heat list simply because he doesn't feel like a finished product. He's still improving in some areas but I can't tell how high his ceiling realistically is ATM.

1) I think it's safe to say he'll never catch Wade and LBJ, those 2 are on another talent level.

2) Zo will also be a very challenging target, I think Zo had 2 meaningful advantage over Bam :

* He can out of college ready to dominate, he had the skill and mindset day 1. He was "the" star the first game in Heat jersey.
* He had a bigger physical advantage compared to Bam. Zo was just so strong and long, and While Bam is more athlthic then most bigs - I don't think he has the same impactful physical advantage.

3) The guy Bam might have a real shot at surpassing IMO is Bosh. While Bosh was great, Hall of fame and a champion, I think Bam could, with time, match his productivity. Bam is tougher, less skilled currently but could close the gap, and seems hungry and verastile enough to maybe reach that prime Bosh level but have a longer career, hopefully.

A lot is going to come down to the role Spo sees for Bam as well. I think Bam would do best at PF. Small ball is going to lead to more injuries and could cause long term issues such as loss of agility. I get that small ball has delivered a lot for Spo, but it’s a short term tactic, not a sustainable strategy to be built around.

The traditionalist in me might agree, But i think we need to admit that in this day and age with current playing style - there's only a very specific type of C that can work next to Bam and not hurt other important aspects of our game.

That is - a C that is big enough to Guard the Jokic/Embbid/Allen types - while also being a good enough shooter to space the floor and not clog the paint for Bam and Jimmy.

So basically we want a 7 footer with a real outside shot, a strong willingness to shoot from 3, and also needs to be at least an average defender and rebounder (otherwise what's the point of playing big), and preferably someone who can switch on D. (because of Spo's preferences)

If we're not getting a healthy Prozingis or K.Towns..I'm not sure who can we get to fit that bill.

It doesn’t even need to be a starting C. It could be a F/C as a long term fit and a strong backup C to take some of the defensive pressure off. Plus, this doesn’t need to be an issue figured out this offseason. But long term, if Bam is going to be the player to be built around, he needs to get a team with players that take some of the inside the paint hits off.

[insfo]

It's kinda hard to predict How high Bam can get on the all-time Heat list simply because he doesn't feel like a finished product. He's still improving in some areas but I can't tell how high his ceiling realistically is ATM.

1) I think it's safe to say he'll never catch Wade and LBJ, those 2 are on another talent level.

2) Zo will also be a very challenging target, I think Zo had 2 meaningful advantage over Bam :

* He can out of college ready to dominate, he had the skill and mindset day 1. He was "the" star the first game in Heat jersey.
* He had a bigger physical advantage compared to Bam. Zo was just so strong and long, and While Bam is more athlthic then most bigs - I don't think he has the same impactful physical advantage.

3) The guy Bam might have a real shot at surpassing IMO is Bosh. While Bosh was great, Hall of fame and a champion, I think Bam could, with time, match his productivity. Bam is tougher, less skilled currently but could close the gap, and seems hungry and verastile enough to maybe reach that prime Bosh level but have a longer career, hopefully.

A lot is going to come down to the role Spo sees for Bam as well. I think Bam would do best at PF. Small ball is going to lead to more injuries and could cause long term issues such as loss of agility. I get that small ball has delivered a lot for Spo, but it’s a short term tactic, not a sustainable strategy to be built around.

The traditionalist in me might agree, But i think we need to admit that in this day and age with current playing style - there's only a very specific type of C that can work next to Bam and not hurt other important aspects of our game.

That is - a C that is big enough to Guard the Jokic/Embbid/Allen types - while also being a good enough shooter to space the floor and not clog the paint for Bam and Jimmy.

So basically we want a 7 footer with a real outside shot, a strong willingness to shoot from 3, and also needs to be at least an average defender and rebounder (otherwise what's the point of playing big), and preferably someone who can switch on D. (because of Spo's preferences)

If we're not getting a healthy Prozingis or K.Towns..I'm not sure who can we get to fit that bill.

I'd prefer Turner or Bamba over Porzingis.

[somerandomdude]

Would love to see how Bam performs against legit size in the frontcourt. That will the most telling as to whether or not this small ball scheme works. Looking forward to seeing him against Philly (Embiid), Milwaukee (when Brook returns), or Cleveland (Allen/Mobley) most especially, if they'll meet any of these team in the playoffs.

I think the key for him will be the triple threat position and polishing his jumpshot. If he's hitting his jumper, he'll be so unpredictable that they'll have a hard time stopping him because he can pump fake and use his speed to drive for easy baskets.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It's kinda hard to predict How high Bam can get on the all-time Heat list simply because he doesn't feel like a finished product. He's still improving in some areas but I can't tell how high his ceiling realistically is ATM.

1) I think it's safe to say he'll never catch Wade and LBJ, those 2 are on another talent level.

2) Zo will also be a very challenging target, I think Zo had 2 meaningful advantage over Bam :

* He can out of college ready to dominate, he had the skill and mindset day 1. He was "the" star the first game in Heat jersey.
* He had a bigger physical advantage compared to Bam. Zo was just so strong and long, and While Bam is more athlthic then most bigs - I don't think he has the same impactful physical advantage.

3) The guy Bam might have a real shot at surpassing IMO is Bosh. While Bosh was great, Hall of fame and a champion, I think Bam could, with time, match his productivity. Bam is tougher, less skilled currently but could close the gap, and seems hungry and verastile enough to maybe reach that prime Bosh level but have a longer career, hopefully.

If he continues to improve his game and we keep on competing and he’s with us for his career I think its very unlikely Zo or Bosh stay ahead of him as an all time heatle

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

I still don’t understand why people get so mad when I say he’s a better defender and player than Gobert. Gobert literally gets played off the court in the playoffs because of his DEFENSE. Hell he just got played off the court in a loss the other day to the garbage lakers

[AirP.]

The organization nailed the ‘17 and ‘19 drafts. That’s all I got to say bubba.

stop the hate hitting guys
It's useless ...this guy is right but they're just superb picks right now ...especially bam

Yes, where Miami got both Bam and Herro they were incredible picks but just because people don't think they'll be superstars doesn't mean they hate them. I'm actually fine with Herro as a scoring 6th man, not sure I'd be ok with him starting although Robinson is worse and he's starting.

Bam has looked like the same player for 3 straight years other than shooting more from midrange. He was an all-star 3 years ago but it feels like he's basically the same player with a little more consistency while being paid a max.

Herro is a very skilled offensive player who just happens to be shooting 41% in catch and shoot situations and 34.9% from pull up 3s which are exactly what you want in a very efficient player but he's the least efficient scorer in the Miami rotation and the lowest ORTG in the rotation too and being tied with Robinson and Strus for the highest DRTG(worst). Last night I decided not to go off stupid passes Herro makes for no reason which creates a bad possession or TO which last night Herro gave Bam a TO because of a lazy easy pass. Let me show you...

Herro gets the ball, does not dribble and looks directly at Bam (BTW, Miami is losing at this point in the game although it's early).

Spoiler:

Herro doesn't move towards him at all to make a shorter pass and instead throws a lazy slow longer pass to Bam who is fighting for position.

Spoiler:

While holding off the defender with one arm and trying to 1 hand catch a pass over his head which leads to him trying to knock the ball down to control it but it goes off his knee out of bounds.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Low effort plays are fine when they're simple but these types of passes and outcomes happen way too often with Herro as the passer. Everyone makes mistakes but it's usually under distress or working hard, not a simple play where you're giving the least amount of effort you can. There's a reason why a good shooter has a bad ORTG and for some reason it seems most are blind to these types of plays Herro does. I would be very interested to find out how many TOs Herro has created for teammates with just a lazy pass that shouldn't have been thrown like he did. Everyone makes bad plays but there's really no reason for some of the bad plays Herro makes, it's boggling to me every time I see this from someone as skilled as Herro is.

[wade44]

Going to be hard to beat put anybody ahead of Bosh after these moments IMO. These moments will forever be etched in the minds of Heat fans everywhere

Wade
Lebron
Mourning
Bosh

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Going to be hard to beat put anybody ahead of Bosh after these moments IMO. These moments will forever be etched in the minds of Heat fans everywhere

Wade
Lebron
Mourning
Bosh

Greatest play in Heat history

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can’t lie this O’Shea Brissett kid on the Pacers would be a perfect backup PF to PJ and perfect fit next to Bam as the PF of the future

[rate_]

February 2022 Bam

33.7 min | 10 g | 22.7 pts | 11.3 trb | 3.3 ast | 1.7 stl | 1.5 blk | 27.2 PER | .256 ws/48 | Miami 8-2

And this is him w/o a refined skillset or a bag. Imagine when he starts advancing his scoring game.

[carnageta]

Spo very recently mentioned that he wished he had played Lebron at the 5 slot more often during the big-3 era. I don't see him going away from small ball in the coming years. There will definitely be spurts where 2 legit bigs are played together, but the primary scheme will likely stay around Bam at the center position.

I think with the right pieces it's very possible for us to reach the NBA finals again playing small, and I believe the team we have built this year has those correct pieces.