Is COJO or Beef Stew more of a liability in the starting lineup?

[DET_Athletics]

Beef Stew offers little shot blocking but COJO has cement blocks for feet. Both are serviceable on the offensive end, but I'm leaning more towards COJO because he gets blown by sooo much and no one is afraid to shoot over him. Beef Stew will have a defensive highlight once in a while.

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[Southern Piston]

Statistically are point guards a have got to be the worst in the league, so it has to be CoJo, I like Stewart I think he’ll make an offensive leap this summer, but he’s good for a double double and I think he’s gotta be in the upper third of players defensively.

[Spider156]

The liablity is Killian, he's supposed to be starting but he can't keep up with starting level talent so Corey has to start. Jackson has been injured all year. I think Diallo would be a better starting player but he can't shoot. Essentially our guards are horrible and we need let go of Joseph and Saben Lee. I don't know why we're not playing Saben Lee, that makes no sense to me. Develop the guy, give him mins. Stewart is not a starting center or power forward, he's a backup at best. Good defender and has a soft finish around the rim, can develop a shot but i'm not sure about consistency. I like Bagley more personally but I think Bagley isn't as good of a defender but he's definitely showing effort there on our team more than the Kings. We need to max Ayton and draft Ivey/Sharpe. I wouldn't take a chance on the big men of the draft. Guarantee the talent and max out Ayton.

[breezypeezy]

Question: Is CoJo or Beef Stew more of a liability in the starting lineup?

Answer: Yes

Replace them both with Diallo and Bagley!

[zeebneeb]

Cojo is a liability no matter where he is playing. As for Stewart, I am torn because he plays his ass off but he has the hops of a 40 year old, and is so limited offensively, it's baffling.

As soon as Bagley's starting limit is over, I would move him into the starting lineup, along with Stewart.

Cade
Bey
Grant
Stewart
Bagley

I would love to see this lineup a few times to see how it does.

[Otis Thorpe Jr]

In what world is Beef stew a starting Power forward?

[bstein14]

As a rookie last year Beef Stew was 10th in the NBA in blocks per minute I believe... He was getting 2.1 blocks per 36 minutes which is fine. By comparison Rudy Gobert gets 2.57 blocks per 36 minutes played. His ability to be a good shoot blocker is certainly there. It's just a matter of why has he gotten fewer this year. Last year he was going against reserves mostly and this season his stats declined a bit because he's been battling starters every night. The big question will be how does he look next season.

I'm 100% fine moving him to the bench if we land a top talent big with our top 5 pick.... but I also know he's the type of player that is going to battle and push to earn back that starting spot he won't be happy just being a 20 MPG backup he will work hard to get where he needs to get that you need to consider starting him again at some point which is great.

Stewart had a slow start to the year, but to be honest our entire team was shooting line garbage around him. His worst months this year as well were October and November. In 11 games in Feb he's averaging 10.1 PPG and 10.5 RPG in 28 MPG... which translates over to more than 13 PPG and 13.5 RPG PER 36. For a guy that you don't run plays for he's producing fine.

Drummond at 22 became an all-star putting up 16.2 PPG (but on 13.1 FGAs per game compared to 7.0 for Stewart so Beef Stew getting 6 less attempts per game) and 14.8 RPG while obviously caring greatly about his rebounding stats and fighting teammates for them. Beef Stew isn't out there stat hunting he's been playing to win. He'll tap a rebound back, or box out his man while a guard teammates swoops in for the board. Stewart is still just 20 years old like like Cade and I wouldn't be surprised if by his 4th season, Pistons fans feel like he's a better player than Drummond, as least as far as impact on winning/losing goes.

[Cowology]

Outside of Cade our entire guard rotation is trash. I can't stand CoJo's defense, but it's not like anybody behind him doesn't come with their own problems. Stew is also not a starting caliber player.

We all know this. The team ia bad. That's why everybody has been so focused on talking about cap space and the draft; we need multiple significant upgrades.

I'm in favor of starting Bagley not because I think he's the answer, but because I want to look at something different. I'm in favor of going big with Bey at the 2, not because I actually think he's he a 2, but because our actual guards cause me to choke on my own vomit.

[Manocad]

Given the goal of the season isn't to win as many games as possible, neither is a liability. It's all about perspective.

[Snakebites]

Again, we gave CoJo a contract that was well above his market value after exercising a buyout option on him. And we gave him a player option for year 2.

That will forever be the most baffling move of this front office.

[Sort]

I admit that it's so easy to fantasize about the future where CoJo isn't our best option at starting. In the next few years, just remembering CoJo logged huge minutes will be baffling. I agree with the main point: nobody else is more deserving, and that's the real issue.

I do think Beef Stew can totally be a starting four/five depending on who he is playing with. Grant doesn't do defensive rebounding or provide rim protection/alteration of shots. They don't fit together. I thought the brief glimpse of Stew/Bagley made more sense to be honest.

Think like old Tayshaun Prince. When he's your fifth best starter, you have a championship level team. When he's supposed to be a key focus offensively, well, you get something more like Beef Stew out there.

[GreekAlex]

Again, we gave CoJo a contract that was well above his market value after exercising a buyout option on him. And we gave him a player option for year 2.

That will forever be the most baffling move of this front office.

I agree. It’s fairly bizarre that us as fans can see CoJo value as plain as day but the front office is out of touch.

The $5M itself isn’t that bad for this season but to loose $5M of flexibility next season is criminal.

[Snakebites]

Again, we gave CoJo a contract that was well above his market value after exercising a buyout option on him. And we gave him a player option for year 2.

That will forever be the most baffling move of this front office.

I agree. It’s fairly bizarre that us as fans can see CoJo value as plain as day but the front office is out of touch.

The $5M itself isn’t that bad for this season but to loose $5M of flexibility next season is criminal.

Yeah the 5 mill this year didn’t matter. It’s the PO that kills it.

[zeebneeb]

Outside of Cade our entire guard rotation is trash. I can't stand CoJo's defense, but it's not like anybody behind him doesn't come with their own problems. Stew is also not a starting caliber player.

We all know this. The team ia bad. That's why everybody has been so focused on talking about cap space and the draft; we need multiple significant upgrades.

I'm in favor of starting Bagley not because I think he's the answer, but because I want to look at something different. I'm in favor of going big with Bey at the 2, not because I actually think he's he a 2, but because our actual guards cause me to choke on my own vomit.

You said exactly how I feel about it.

I mean why not?

[DetroitSho]

As a rookie last year Beef Stew was 10th in the NBA in blocks per minute I believe... He was getting 2.1 blocks per 36 minutes which is fine. By comparison Rudy Gobert gets 2.57 blocks per 36 minutes played. His ability to be a good shoot blocker is certainly there. It's just a matter of why has he gotten fewer this year. Last year he was going against reserves mostly and this season his stats declined a bit because he's been battling starters every night. The big question will be how does he look next season.

I'm 100% fine moving him to the bench if we land a top talent big with our top 5 pick.... but I also know he's the type of player that is going to battle and push to earn back that starting spot he won't be happy just being a 20 MPG backup he will work hard to get where he needs to get that you need to consider starting him again at some point which is great.

Stewart had a slow start to the year, but to be honest our entire team was shooting line garbage around him. His worst months this year as well were October and November. In 11 games in Feb he's averaging 10.1 PPG and 10.5 RPG in 28 MPG... which translates over to more than 13 PPG and 13.5 RPG PER 36. For a guy that you don't run plays for he's producing fine.

Drummond at 22 became an all-star putting up 16.2 PPG (but on 13.1 FGAs per game compared to 7.0 for Stewart so Beef Stew getting 6 less attempts per game) and 14.8 RPG while obviously caring greatly about his rebounding stats and fighting teammates for them. Beef Stew isn't out there stat hunting he's been playing to win. He'll tap a rebound back, or box out his man while a guard teammates swoops in for the board. Stewart is still just 20 years old like like Cade and I wouldn't be surprised if by his 4th season, Pistons fans feel like he's a better player than Drummond, as least as far as impact on winning/losing goes.

No, Stewart will box out his man while his man just jumps right over him to get it.

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[mattao313]

They both are bench players starting that's the problem. We have too many bench players and scrubs instead of quality starting caliber players. That's it really.


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[Cowology]

Stew looks like he can be a solid role player. Yeah he *could* start as the 5th guy standing next to Anthony Davis but for most of the league he's a 20-24 mpg backup or part-time starter on a mediocre roster. He's the sort of guy that fans will like where ever he plays because of how he plays. A fan favorite type, but also the type of guy you are probably constantly looking to upgrade.

[DNice68]

CoJo has switched to make me ‘Pro Ivey’ with our draft pick, so it’s him!

[Manocad]

In all seriousness, Cojo is a bigger liability. Stew rarely has bad games per se; he just doesn't have the production people want. Cojo on the other hand, while certainly playing better of late, does have the ability to screw things up. If it was gun to my head and I had to take one or the other in my starting lineup I'll take Stew all day every day.

[DTP]

Again, we gave CoJo a contract that was well above his market value after exercising a buyout option on him. And we gave him a player option for year 2.

That will forever be the most baffling move of this front office.

That's saying a lot because there's definitely been some baffling moves.