is Haliburton the next superstar point guard?

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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#61 » by Bologna Smasher » Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:41 pm

I hope to see it. Best case is that he becomes a Chris Paul type of player, worst case is that he comes another Malcolm Brogdon, which isn't bad at all. Similarly to Paul or a Nash, he's never going to be the focal point on offense as a scorer, but if you surround him with talent, the team is going to be a winner and he will end up being a constant all-star.

It's a pretty conflicting situation to be in as a Kings fan. Have been as high on Haliburton as anyone ever since his draft. Thought the Kings had no chance of him falling to us in that draft, but he did. Was glad we got him. Have also been a big fan of Sabonis ever since he was with the Thunder. It's too bad Fox tanked his value so much this season, because he was the one that I would have preferred to move on from. Either way, Kings needed to do something, just not sure they made the right move. I can understand the reasoning, but I think they should have waited until the off-season to do something.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#62 » by JRoy » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:06 pm

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JRoy wrote:SAC kept the wrong guard.

Haliburton is a high iq guy that will thrive with an expanded role.


You do realize how absurd that sounds, right?
Imagine if Blazers trade Lillard for 5 firsts in the offseason, and then the realgm is constantly flooded with threads and comments saying that they should have kept Lillard and traded Nurkic for the same return instead.


That’s one way to look at it. As many bad moves as the Kings have made over the years might lead one to believe they prefer Fox to Haliburton.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#63 » by NO-KG-AI » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:15 pm

Probably not superstar, as in MVP, #1 option on a title team level, but it's hard to envision a lineup that Haliburton DOESN'T fit on. Really hurts as a Pels fan, knowing it wasn't a secret that the Pels loved him, and the Kings snagged him 1 pick before us. :(
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#64 » by Ckay » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:30 pm

Can we go star first?
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#65 » by CraftylikeaFox » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:58 pm

Bologna Smasher wrote:I hope to see it. Best case is that he becomes a Chris Paul type of player, worst case is that he comes another Malcolm Brogdon, which isn't bad at all. Similarly to Paul or a Nash, he's never going to be the focal point on offense as a scorer, but if you surround him with talent, the team is going to be a winner and he will end up being a constant all-star.

It's a pretty conflicting situation to be in as a Kings fan. Have been as high on Haliburton as anyone ever since his draft. Thought the Kings had no chance of him falling to us in that draft, but he did. Was glad we got him. Have also been a big fan of Sabonis ever since he was with the Thunder. It's too bad Fox tanked his value so much this season, because he was the one that I would have preferred to move on from. Either way, Kings needed to do something, just not sure they made the right move. I can understand the reasoning, but I think they should have waited until the off-season to do something.


I actually really like Sabonis a lot. He's an incredibly smart player and a much better passer than I thought, having never really watched him play before. My issue with the trade isn't Sabonis, it's that I think there is no way to build a winning team with Fox running the show. At this point he's in year 5, is only getting worse as a shooter, and hasn't developed into a skilled facilitator or above average defender. What the Kings should've done is trade Fox for absolutely anything, even if it was some lackluster Knicks package, and build around Haliburton and our draft pick this year. Then trade Barnes and Hield in the offseason for some mid tier package. I just don't see this ending well, hope I'm wrong though.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#66 » by MrSparkle » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:10 pm

I think Haliburton has a very lethal combo of shooting, passing and length. I believe his numbers for a 2nd year player are all-star trajectory.

If SAC had a stronger 1-2 punch to add Sabonis to, I could get behind the trade. But adding a big salary to the books to two fringe non-stars on big contracts, committing to a sub-500 team…

It’s just the same dumb problem they’ve had since 2007. They keep dumping their assets with absolutely no vision. They didn’t get anywhere Rudy, Cousins and Rondo and they won’t get anywhere with this cast. And they’re gonna feel salty when Haliburton makes his first ASG, just like Isaiah Thomas.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#67 » by Bologna Smasher » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:12 pm

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Bologna Smasher wrote:I hope to see it. Best case is that he becomes a Chris Paul type of player, worst case is that he comes another Malcolm Brogdon, which isn't bad at all. Similarly to Paul or a Nash, he's never going to be the focal point on offense as a scorer, but if you surround him with talent, the team is going to be a winner and he will end up being a constant all-star.

It's a pretty conflicting situation to be in as a Kings fan. Have been as high on Haliburton as anyone ever since his draft. Thought the Kings had no chance of him falling to us in that draft, but he did. Was glad we got him. Have also been a big fan of Sabonis ever since he was with the Thunder. It's too bad Fox tanked his value so much this season, because he was the one that I would have preferred to move on from. Either way, Kings needed to do something, just not sure they made the right move. I can understand the reasoning, but I think they should have waited until the off-season to do something.


I actually really like Sabonis a lot. He's an incredibly smart player and a much better passer than I thought, having never really watched him play before. My issue with the trade isn't Sabonis, it's that I think there is no way to build a winning team with Fox running the show. At this point he's in year 5, is only getting worse as a shooter, and hasn't developed into a skilled facilitator or above average defender. What the Kings should've done is trade Fox for absolutely anything, even if it was some lackluster Knicks package, and build around Haliburton and our draft pick this year. Then trade Barnes and Hield in the offseason for some mid tier package. I just don't see this ending well, hope I'm wrong though.


This is basically the same way I'm thinking. As much as I like Fox, he's shown that he's not that lead guy and his play doesn't translate into wins trying to be one, yet he's paid like a franchise player. Hopefully his better play lately makes it easier to trade him during the off-season. I think if the Kings held off on the trade until around draft, they could've probably gotten Sabonis without including Haliburton, which is the main issue I have with them making the trade mid-season.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#68 » by GSWFan1994 » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:31 pm

A question for Pacers fans: will Indiana try trading Brogdon later on?
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#69 » by gumbercules » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:16 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:im seeing all star at best and his small sample size he is padding stats in a garbage tanking team thats much worse than kings in terms of talent.

That is simply not true. Every game, since the trade, has been competitive. There has been no garbage time. The closest thing is last night when Haliburton did all his damage obtaining the big lead on the Celtics. Not a single moment of stat padding the entire time he has been with the Pacers. Why assume or flat out make stuff up? You want people to take your post at face value, right?
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#70 » by Bologna Smasher » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:41 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:A question for Pacers fans: will Indiana try trading Brogdon later on?


I believe they would've already traded him if they were able to. The extension he recently signed prevents them from trading him until the off-season. Haliburton is best at point guard and Duarte is best as the two guard. The writing is on the wall.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#71 » by Woodsanity » Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:54 pm

BernteB wrote:can you be a superstar with THAT shooting form?

Considering he is a career 41.5% 3 point shooter probably.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#72 » by CobraCommander » Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:26 pm

I think sac picked the wrong point guard of the future - and Foxx is good...but Haliburton is just going to be better-
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#73 » by MrBigShot » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:49 pm

Superstar, nah. But he will be good enough to make the few remaining people in denial that the kings got absolutely destroyed in this trade realize they were wrong. Likely multi time all star and one of the premier PGs for many years to come.

Pacers fans should be absolutely thrilled. Ya'll got him for at least another 6 years.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#74 » by 8305 » Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:31 pm

I like the Steve Nash comparison. His assist numbers immediately prior to the trade (when Fox was out) and since coming to Indiana are pretty impressive. Nash won a couple of MVP awards. Pacers just need to assemble the right guys to play off him.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#75 » by DroseReturnChi » Tue Mar 1, 2022 12:01 am

Bologna Smasher wrote:I hope to see it. Best case is that he becomes a Chris Paul type of player, worst case is that he comes another Malcolm Brogdon, which isn't bad at all. Similarly to Paul or a Nash, he's never going to be the focal point on offense as a scorer, but if you surround him with talent, the team is going to be a winner and he will end up being a constant all-star.


0% chance he becomes cp3 he is still far worse than washed up 2022 cp3. while he is a gifted passer, he is not a player you build around theres no pure pg left that is a dying breed. he plays similar to brogdon who is a borderline star. his max ceiling is low tier perennial all star and kings traded for the current in sabonis who exactly is that in a big man's body. you look at the NBA all the big men with point forward skills rules this league, not guards that cant put on weight.
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Re: is Haliburton the next superstar point guard? 

Post#76 » by Mr Puddles » Tue Mar 1, 2022 12:35 am

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Adrian_05 wrote:Kings gonna Kings

eh, we're happy with Sabonis too


People are too eager to **** on the Kings due to the moves they've made in the past. New management has done pretty well. Sabonis is a great young player - seems like this trade is working out for both franchises thus far.

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