Brooklyn got bamboozled by James Harden

[ShazamDaShiznt]

How many seasons do you need to realize that James Harden underperforms in the playoffs? I guess finally he's got a big man who's elite on offense, unlike Rockets Dwight, so MAYBE this year he gets it together. Or maybe not once again. Remember it's the Doc Rivers team where ne never makes correct in series adjustments.

[ProcessDoctor]

I wish the Sixers could have kept Curry and Drummond and just added more picks with Simmons. Curry is a good secondary piece. Drummond was easily the best backup center the Sixers had behind Embiid. I'm glad Ben Simmons is gone. His flaws get magnified in the playoffs to the point where he should probably be benched down the stretch.

Curry is fool's gold. He's the most overrated piece in the deal. Can't guard anybody and Is easily run off the 3 point line by defenders. He shoots 40%, but can only get up 5 three's per game. Danny Green and George Niang are shooting 38% and they get up that many threes in fewer minutes.

All Curry does for the Nets is eat into Patty Mills time, and for the 76ers, he wouldn't play because you can't have him and Harden out there together Defensively.

Agreed. Curry's porous defense in the Atlanta series was completely overshadowed by Simmons. Huerter was lighting him up.

The only piece that sucked giving up in the trade was Drummond.

[Upperclass]

The Harden trade, preceded by Kyrie's unwillingness to play basketball, will likely end this Nets run.. Kyrie will probably resign but on a short term deal, KD will be moving to the Bulls, Mavs etc when the team under performs, so the trade will probably break down to a Simmons who doesnt seem to like basketball and spare parts.. Philly prob gets a chip, this year or next.. Next year will be tough though with the clippers looking strong and the Warriors at full strength

[Bologna Smasher]

I don't blame Marks for throwing the book at Harden. When you already have a core of Durant & Irving, you pay whatever you have to if you have the opportunity to add another top 10 player to that group. I think where the Nets screwed up is trading him to the 76ers. They just made their chances of making the finals a lot more difficult than it originally was.

[gmoney411]

7 first round picks is just BS.

You can't count the pick swaps unless they convey. We don't know if they will. The first one already did not.

One first round pick went for a year of Harden where he played like an MVP.

The next two are cancelled out by the Sixers picks.

So its essentially:

Levert
Allen
3 pick swaps

FOR

Simmons
Curry
Drummond

On what planet is that not worth it?

Curry is just better than Levert. Simmons is far better than Allen even with his limitations.

And with a younger Simmons it might be less likely that those swaps convey.

Is the value close to what it was originally? No.

But still a good trade overall.

Ben Simmons is not better than Allen. It’s like posters have never watched him play. Nets fans are in for a rude awakening (if he even plays at all, from my area truth is he’s done with basketball dude has always been an airhead with little upstairs).

Ok

I'm no big Simmons fan but hes a 3 time All Star, All NBA, 2 time all defense and nearly won DPOY last year.

Him and Embiid were a horrible fit. I think hes still a top 20 player in this league. Far better than Allen.

Top 20 is a stretch for Simmons.

KD, LeBron, Giannis, Curry, Luka, Jokic, Morant, Harden, Embiid, Beal, Kawhi, AD, Lillard, Paul, Tatum, George, Butler, Irving, Young, Mitchell, Booker, and Towns are all better. Then you have Simmons in a group with Brown, Middleton, LaVine, DeRozan, SGA, Bam, Sabonis, LaMelo, Klay, Murray, Green, and Garland.

[HotelVitale]

The Harden trade, preceded by Kyrie's unwillingness to play basketball, will likely end this Nets run.. Kyrie will probably resign but on a short term deal, KD will be moving to the Bulls, Mavs etc when the team under performs, so the trade will probably break down to a Simmons who doesnt seem to like basketball and spare parts..

Eh, realgm always tries to add panic and drama to all these scenarios. KD is signed until 2026, and the Nets have a certain stability for the next couple years at least. KD, Simmons, Curry, J Harris, probably Kyrie, plus whatever they can retain and add in the offseasons is the core for a minute.

That's not as good as a committed KD-Kyrie-Harden core but it's a solid team with a real chance of winning it all, even if they're not big favorites anymore. And even if KD demands a trade this year (very unlikely since this team is his doing), he'd fetch a major price back.

[TravisScott55]

He clearly quit on Nets

Hmm, I recall someone else quitting on the Nets. I wonder who that could be? Might that have been an issue?

Lol, James Harden has had a valid reason to be sick of the **** his team is pulling for two straight years. Let's not act like both the Rockets and Nets last year and this year were perfectly run organizations.

One was not a voluntary quit. Kyrie wanted to play, just wasn't allowed to.

[Snotbubbles]

The Harden trade, preceded by Kyrie's unwillingness to play basketball, will likely end this Nets run.. Kyrie will probably resign but on a short term deal, KD will be moving to the Bulls, Mavs etc when the team under performs, so the trade will probably break down to a Simmons who doesnt seem to like basketball and spare parts..

Eh, realgm always tries to add panic and drama to all these scenarios. KD is signed until 2026, and the Nets have a certain stability for the next couple years at least. KD, Simmons, Curry, J Harris, probably Kyrie, plus whatever they can retain and add in the offseasons is the core for a minute.

That's not as good as a committed KD-Kyrie-Harden core but it's a solid team with a real chance of winning it all, even if they're not big favorites anymore. And even if KD demands a trade this year (very unlikely since this team is his doing), he'd fetch a major price back.

KD is going to finish out his contract in Brooklyn I think. He doesn't strike me as a player that would demand a trade. Depending on KD's health next year they may look to move Kyrie at the TDL, I just don't see the fit with Simmons and since Simmons is signed longer-term they kind of have to hitch their wagon to him.

[John Murdoch]

Secod time he has dipped on KD...prob lil more to that

[ken6199]

No, they got bamboozled by Kyrie I am holding my personal belief over professionalism Irving, and (unfortunate) Kevin Durant's half inch too big toe size.

[KenoP13]

Ben Simmons is essentially Draymond Green V2.. He needs two primary scorers and a good all around team to be effective. They gave it all up for a very good role player.

[KenoP13]

No, they got bamboozled by Kyrie I am holding my personal belief over professionalism Irving, and (unfortunate) Kevin Durant's half inch too big toe size.

Kyrie destroyed everything.. The Nets went to 7 games with Bucks last year with Irving and Harden missing most of the series. When Harden came back.. He played on one foot. Still went to OT in 7 games.

Kyrie becoming a part time player destroyed all chemistry on the team between stars and role players. Which is essential for a title contending team.

[NO-KG-AI]

How many seasons do you need to realize that James Harden underperforms in the playoffs? I guess finally he's got a big man who's elite on offense, unlike Rockets Dwight, so MAYBE this year he gets it together. Or maybe not once again. Remember it's the Doc Rivers team where ne never makes correct in series adjustments.

He underperforms, but he’s still incredibly dangerous and it’s not like he is just averaging 10 ppg and getting blown out. His lofty regular season scoring numbers are literally only matched by like 3-4 players, so even with some fall off, he’s still a top notch scorer and passer.

He’s carrying much less of a load now, and the 6ers have good balance overall. He doesn’t have to be 35/10 James for them to win a title at all.

[Hello Brooklyn]

No, they got bamboozled by Kyrie I am holding my personal belief over professionalism Irving, and (unfortunate) Kevin Durant's half inch too big toe size.

Yeah cause James Harden showed so much professionalism.

Showed up fat out of shape, was terrible all season, then faked an injury, quit and demanded a trade.

The minute he shows up Philly hes MVP Harden again.

Hes just as much to blame as Kyrie is.

[Colbinii]

No, they got bamboozled by Kyrie I am holding my personal belief over professionalism Irving, and (unfortunate) Kevin Durant's half inch too big toe size.

Yeah cause James Harden showed so much professionalism.

Showed up fat out of shape, was terrible all season, then faked an injury, quit and demanded a trade.

The minute he shows up Philly hes MVP Harden again.

Hes just as much to blame as Kyrie is.

They are not equals. If Kyrie was vaccinated and playing, Harden would still be in Brooklyn.

[zshawn10]

He clearly quit on Nets

Hmm, I recall someone else quitting on the Nets. I wonder who that could be? Might that have been an issue?

Lol, James Harden has had a valid reason to be sick of the **** his team is pulling for two straight years. Let's not act like both the Rockets and Nets last year and this year were perfectly run organizations.

Lol the Rockets gave him everything he wanted and he still left. Traded for Cp3 and they were a hurt hamstring away from going to the Finals, he didn't like that CP3 kept barking him on the court and kept getting hurt so he shipped him off for Russ and he didn't like that either so he left. Now Tilman does suck as he did run off D'Antoni and Morey but it's not like Harden is known for performing well in the playoffs either.

With the Nets, yea I get the whole Irving situation but he was just too impatient. KD couldn't help getting injured and the Big 3 only played, what, like 16 games together in which they were unstoppable? I can't wait for the tune of Harden when/if Embiid gets injured and has to miss a period of time and he has to run the whole offense himself and play major minutes.

[zshawn10]

Posters here are really acting like Jarrett Allen is the next Shaquille O'Neal.

Hes a nice young player. Who only made the all star after two people got injured.

The Cavs likely overachieved this season and won't make the 2nd round. Next season they won't be in serious contention. And will eventually beg LeBron to come back like they always do.

James Harden is 1000x better than Allen will ever be. Were talking about one of the greatest scorers in NBA history. You have to make that trade 10/10. Its worth the risk.

And Levert is not even a positive asset. Hes constantly injured, inefficient, and a bad defender. Not even worth his contract.

Injuries derailed last season. And this season he quit.

But Nets would never have gotten Simmons otherwise.

You think we get Simmons for Allen, Levert and picks? It would have never happened.

Simmons is probably the best defensive player in the NBA. Which was the Nets biggest weakness for the last 2 years.

Remember that with Allen the Nets were still bad defensively.

I mean its a win win trade for everyone invovled. Harden didn't want to be in Brooklyn, Simmons not in Philly and Cavs got Allen for cheap. I say all three teams won.

I wouldn't way the Nets won but the Rockets really didn't win. They could have had Allen and all the picks.

7 pretty much unprotected picks with a team that's crumbling right now? I would take that over the Simmons package without Maxey they were offering us. Allen was a mistake but in no way were people thinking back then with his current contract that it was a good idea to pay him that much

[zshawn10]

I mean its a win win trade for everyone invovled. Harden didn't want to be in Brooklyn, Simmons not in Philly and Cavs got Allen for cheap. I say all three teams won.

Agreed.

Rockets did not win. Should have kept Allen.

But Sixers/Cavs won much more than the Nets did in the final trade. In my view.

Ya i meant Sixers/Nets/Cavs won. Those three teams, houstan is a mess. Should've kept Levert and taken Allen instead of the pick from the Cavs. All things consindered Nets did well, the Nets picks won't be very high and pick swaps are useless, maybe th 2027 swap might be worth something but thats so far away. Nets got picks back from the Sixers, so in essence Levert/Allen and a pick for Simmons.

Nets just need to find a way to be healthy and covid mandates to be lifted for Kyrie which will probably happen soon.

Levert is on his 3rd team in two years, but yea I wish we had Allen. Our owner sucks a lot; he's cheap

[zshawn10]

Agreed.

Rockets did not win. Should have kept Allen.

But Sixers/Cavs won much more than the Nets did in the final trade. In my view.

Ya i meant Sixers/Nets/Cavs won. Those three teams, houstan is a mess. Should've kept Levert and taken Allen instead of the pick from the Cavs. All things consindered Nets did well, the Nets picks won't be very high and pick swaps are useless, maybe th 2027 swap might be worth something but thats so far away. Nets got picks back from the Sixers, so in essence Levert/Allen and a pick for Simmons.

Nets just need to find a way to be healthy and covid mandates to be lifted for Kyrie which will probably happen soon.

The rockets could have Simmons and Maxey... this trade looked horrible for them from the jump.

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Maxey was the deal breaker for Morey which is why Morey never got Harden the first time when he got traded

[Hello Brooklyn]

No, they got bamboozled by Kyrie I am holding my personal belief over professionalism Irving, and (unfortunate) Kevin Durant's half inch too big toe size.

Yeah cause James Harden showed so much professionalism.

Showed up fat out of shape, was terrible all season, then faked an injury, quit and demanded a trade.

The minute he shows up Philly hes MVP Harden again.

Hes just as much to blame as Kyrie is.

They are not equals. If Kyrie was vaccinated and playing, Harden would still be in Brooklyn.

How do we know that for sure?

Harden played with Kyrie the entire road trip. After KD got hurt and wasn't carrying him Harden threw a temper tantrum and demanded out.