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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#61 » by LewisnotMiller » Wed Mar 2, 2022 1:52 am

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BBallFreak wrote:Just no. He's not MVP caliber. He's great. Can't he just be great?


He can be great--hella great.

It's like the NBA community looks down on players who are top 20, 30, 50 ect instead of simply appreciating the players for what they are.


I am in favour of the salary cap and equalisation measures in a general sense.
But I do think in the NBA specifically it's led to a situation where people are judged within a max slot. Like...'sure, he's the 25th best player in the world, but if he's taking a max slot we aren't winning championships'.

Becomes a more binary conversation really.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#62 » by kuclas » Wed Mar 2, 2022 2:50 am

Bam is good. But still has no range offensively. He’s really good on defense switching.

I will see how he plays Vs sixers.

Spo always has to zone Vs sixers. It’s effective. But it’s really to protect Bam. Cause he’s really a power forward and needs help to defend real centers like Embiid.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#63 » by Patsfan1081 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 4:13 am

He’s taken five threes this year, not sure where the idea of adding a three is coming from when he’s actually taken less year after year. Like others have said he doesnt have the range/scoring ability to become a mvp caliber player. Maybe he can add that top of the jumper three like KG did and that could even put him up there.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#64 » by TheLand13 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 7:57 am

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No.

Adebayo with a 3 is the future archetype for typical elite NBA centres. The ability to guard 1 to 5 and to protect the rim is the most valuable today.


You could say that about any of Allen, Mobley or Ayto n- his contemporaries (Mobley for a season or two max). Could you imagine just attaching a 3 ball onto Robert Williams with his freakish athleticism? This isn't call of duty and you could make these empty general statements about a lot of random guys. Ben Simmons with a 3 ball is?

His hallmark skill is being a big that can move his feet on the perimeter, but his block rates are mediocre. Only 6'9, no perimeter offensive skill whatsoever. Slightly positive on/off's.

He's a good center, calling him elite or mentioning him in the breath with the MVP caliber bigs running the league right now is ridiculously disrespectful. What they were doing at 24 trumps what he's doing now also.


Nope I can't. Mobley only maybe one day would be in the same group because Allen and Ayton aren't guarding guards on perimeter successfully very often.

He's not just a "good" centre. He is the future and you see centres being smaller every year, for a very good reason, their defence. It has nothing to do with the MVP calibre centres. Most teams will not build around MVP calibre centres in the future because they won't be successful in the end. You are going to have to be ale to switch, guard the rim and perimeter and 1-5. That is the future, as is being hard to guard on the perimeter on offense and in the PNR by bigger slower centres The league has only begun the process of playing smaller full time.


Um, Allen regularly guards out at the perimeter and does so successfully. Not as often as Mobley, but enough to the point where it’s a noteworthy part of his game.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#65 » by SA37 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 8:50 am

Adebayo is a very good, versatile player, but he really isn't even a consideration for one of the all NBA teams, let alone an MVP candidate. He hasn't even won player of the week at any point this season.

Until Adebayo begins to establish himself on the offensive end, he will continue being something of an Elton Brand/Rasheed Wallace hybrid, an athletic Marc Gasol, or a poor man's KG.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#66 » by Lalouie » Wed Mar 2, 2022 9:00 am

i believe in HIM, but i don't believe in his mvp value.

maybe it's a visual thingy, ie he's been such a slow growth dude. it's not like he's burst onto the scene like a supernova

miami is too ensemble for bam to be mvp, so even mvp "caliber" doesn't sell
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#67 » by Saint Lazarus » Wed Mar 2, 2022 9:23 am

somerandomdude wrote:Imagine if the coaches for the Sixers/Nuggets/Timberwolves viewed Embiid/Jokic/KAT as nothing more than a facilitator and offensive rebounder on offense and stuck them on that role their whole career.

Would you still think as highly of those guys the same way you do today?

Since it's understandable that people don't follow another team closely - as a Heat fan, take it from me:

Spo doesn't see Bam as a scorer and doesn't run plays for him on offense.

In fact, Spo views Bam as a PG for Duncan Robinson
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Spo encourages Duncan Robinson to shoot, will pull Duncan out of the game if he doesn't shoot, but has never encouraged Bam like that or held Bam to that same standard
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Compare that to when Bam had the gall to come out aggressive in the 3rd qtr against the Wiz, Spo shot down any praise and said, "(It's not about) putting up a certain amount of shots or numbers."
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Or against the Spurs the first time we played them, when Bam scored the Heat's first 3 baskets, and was mysteriously pulled out of the game earlier than when he normally goes to the bench.

When Bam had a season high 36pts the other day, Spo went back to comparing him to a PG
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The disconnect that Spo has in how he views Duncan Robinson compared to how he views Bam is absurd and would not be tolerated anywhere else. Imagine Jokic/Embiid/KAT having to play second fiddle to Duncan Robinson.

On any other team, Bam would have a far bigger role on offense (and from the start of his career) than he does with the Heat, and people's opinions of him would be much higher considering he's already great defensively and can do other things like run his own fast break or create offense for others.


LOL, is this the moment where Heat fans **** on Spo so that they can prop up Bam as some misunderstood and shackled superstar, and then when the COTY thread comes around y'all flood it with "Spo for COTY" posts?
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#68 » by HeatRing2012 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 10:24 am

hit the brakes. I love Bam but he isnt a transcending force that other MVP candidates are (Giannis, Jokic etc.).

he is a star tho, that needs to be said.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#69 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 2, 2022 1:36 pm

Rancid669 wrote:Only knock on Bam is that he misses a ton of games every year. Some don’t like the fact that he doesn’t shoot 3’s, and is more of an old school center on offense, but defensively he’s out guarding the perimeter, often on the opposing team’s best player.


He missed 1 game in 2019-20 and 8 games in 2020-21. This year has been his only “bad year” availability wise, he finally had a more than minor injury.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#70 » by TravisScott55 » Wed Mar 2, 2022 1:43 pm

Heat are so dangerous when he's playing well.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#71 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 2, 2022 1:43 pm

Everyone will soon realize he’s better than Gobert on both ends of the floor. It would take you like 1 game of watching Miami to realize Bam is the best defender in the world. Literally does it all, 1-5. He’ll he locked up Derozan lavine and Vucevic at times the other night. They just never had a chance.

Gobert is overrated, dude literally gets played off the court in the playoffs because of his defense. He’s been played off the court twice this season by the lakers lol.

Injuries aren’t a good enough excuse any more. Gobert won DPOY on 56 games. Green has played less games than Bam this season and is like 4-6 spots higher.

Clout is the biggest difference maker.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#72 » by CreekShow » Wed Mar 2, 2022 2:14 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Everyone will soon realize he’s better than Gobert on both ends of the floor. It would take you like 1 game of watching Miami to realize Bam is the best defender in the world. Literally does it all, 1-5. He’ll he locked up Derozan lavine and Vucevic at times the other night. They just never had a chance.

Gobert is overrated, dude literally gets played off the court in the playoffs because of his defense. He’s been played off the court twice this season by the lakers lol.

Injuries aren’t a good enough excuse any more. Gobert won DPOY on 56 games. Green has played less games than Bam this season and is like 4-6 spots higher.

Clout is the biggest difference maker.



This is definitely how to make a name for yourself on this board but its not exactly a good thing. Clout? Really what in tf are you talking about? Maybe Heat fans have themselves to blame with some of the horrendous takes even ITT. "It would take you like one game of watching the heat" FoH with that weak ass excuse :wavefinger:
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#73 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 2, 2022 2:39 pm

CreekShow wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Everyone will soon realize he’s better than Gobert on both ends of the floor. It would take you like 1 game of watching Miami to realize Bam is the best defender in the world. Literally does it all, 1-5. He’ll he locked up Derozan lavine and Vucevic at times the other night. They just never had a chance.

Gobert is overrated, dude literally gets played off the court in the playoffs because of his defense. He’s been played off the court twice this season by the lakers lol.

Injuries aren’t a good enough excuse any more. Gobert won DPOY on 56 games. Green has played less games than Bam this season and is like 4-6 spots higher.

Clout is the biggest difference maker.



This is definitely how to make a name for yourself on this board but its not exactly a good thing. Clout? Really what in tf are you talking about? Maybe Heat fans have themselves to blame with some of the horrendous takes even ITT. "It would take you like one game of watching the heat" FoH with that weak ass excuse :wavefinger:


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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#74 » by CreekShow » Wed Mar 2, 2022 2:47 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
CreekShow wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Everyone will soon realize he’s better than Gobert on both ends of the floor. It would take you like 1 game of watching Miami to realize Bam is the best defender in the world. Literally does it all, 1-5. He’ll he locked up Derozan lavine and Vucevic at times the other night. They just never had a chance.

Gobert is overrated, dude literally gets played off the court in the playoffs because of his defense. He’s been played off the court twice this season by the lakers lol.

Injuries aren’t a good enough excuse any more. Gobert won DPOY on 56 games. Green has played less games than Bam this season and is like 4-6 spots higher.

Clout is the biggest difference maker.



This is definitely how to make a name for yourself on this board but its not exactly a good thing. Clout? Really what in tf are you talking about? Maybe Heat fans have themselves to blame with some of the horrendous takes even ITT. "It would take you like one game of watching the heat" FoH with that weak ass excuse :wavefinger:


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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#75 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Mar 2, 2022 2:55 pm

CreekShow wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
CreekShow wrote:

This is definitely how to make a name for yourself on this board but its not exactly a good thing. Clout? Really what in tf are you talking about? Maybe Heat fans have themselves to blame with some of the horrendous takes even ITT. "It would take you like one game of watching the heat" FoH with that weak ass excuse :wavefinger:


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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#76 » by BBallFreak » Wed Mar 2, 2022 3:01 pm

SA37 wrote:Adebayo is a very good, versatile player, but he really isn't even a consideration for one of the all NBA teams, let alone an MVP candidate. He hasn't even won player of the week at any point this season.

Until Adebayo begins to establish himself on the offensive end, he will continue being something of an Elton Brand/Rasheed Wallace hybrid, an athletic Marc Gasol, or a poor man's KG.
Perfectly put, and their is nothing wrong with being a Brand/Wallace hybrid. Bam is exceptional. He does exactly what the team needs and continues getting better. He's never going to be a legit MVP candidate imo, but he's going to be great for a very long time...

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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#77 » by Eagle4 » Fri Mar 4, 2022 3:07 am

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Post#78 » by somerandomdude » Fri Mar 4, 2022 3:24 am

He hurt his DPOY candidacy tonight by having to be switched off KD, but ended up dropping 30/11/6/2 on 80% shooting and finished with the better statline in the end.

He's a better player than people here give him credit for and would thrive offensively with any other coach.
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Post#79 » by dshearn » Fri Mar 4, 2022 3:28 am

BBallFreak wrote:
SA37 wrote:Adebayo is a very good, versatile player, but he really isn't even a consideration for one of the all NBA teams, let alone an MVP candidate. He hasn't even won player of the week at any point this season.

Until Adebayo begins to establish himself on the offensive end, he will continue being something of an Elton Brand/Rasheed Wallace hybrid, an athletic Marc Gasol, or a poor man's KG.
Perfectly put, and their is nothing wrong with being a Brand/Wallace hybrid. Bam is exceptional. He does exactly what the team needs and continues getting better. He's never going to be a legit MVP candidate imo, but he's going to be great for a very long time...

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I agree BB,

It is hard to watch someone like Embid, then Bam and see the number one player in the NBA in Bam.

I think Bam is one of the top defenders in the NBA and does not get his due, but that is light years from MVP.

If this new aggressive Bam keeps rolling, I think he will get the recognition he deserves, but it is hard to make that jump to MVP with what I have seen.

I am damn glad Miami has him.
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Re: Bam is ascending to MVP caliber 

Post#80 » by KingDavid » Fri Mar 4, 2022 3:35 am

Bam needs to keep being aggro and become a threat from deep before he can be in that convo as an MVP. Defensively he's a beast.
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