College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[DOT]

my guess they will be after one of Zion/Mitchell/SGA (likely the longest shot).

It'll end up being Dame or Beal.

ehh even I don't think they would sell the fan base of that. You aren't going to pair RJ with someone that isn't in his window.

Who said anything about pairing RJ with him?

[mpharris36]

It'll end up being Dame or Beal.

ehh even I don't think they would sell the fan base of that. You aren't going to pair RJ with someone that isn't in his window.

Who said anything about pairing RJ with him?

I don't think they are trading RJ. After the seasons Beal and Dame are coming off of. RJ has more trade value then either one of them in the open markets and there ages with there bloated contracts.


No one would trade a top 4 pick for either one of those guys right now.

[DOT]

ehh even I don't think they would sell the fan base of that. You aren't going to pair RJ with someone that isn't in his window.

Who said anything about pairing RJ with him?

I don't think they are trading RJ. After the seasons Beal and Dame are coming off of. RJ has more trade value then either one of them in the open markets and there ages with there bloated contracts.


No one would trade a top 4 pick for either one of those guys right now.

But you can't trade Randle, either

And you need to make the playoffs or your job is done next year

So the inevitable conclusion is to cannibalize the future to win enough now to survive.

[mpharris36]

Who said anything about pairing RJ with him?

I don't think they are trading RJ. After the seasons Beal and Dame are coming off of. RJ has more trade value then either one of them in the open markets and there ages with there bloated contracts.


No one would trade a top 4 pick for either one of those guys right now.

But you can't trade Randle, either

And you need to make the playoffs or your job is done next year

So the inevitable conclusion is to cannibalize the future to win enough now to survive.

I think if you dangled a high lottery pick with Randle + maybe other draft capital you could get some people on the phone. Probably doesn't land you SGA level player. Maybe not even Mitchell (if he asks out though after another disappointing playoff run) that could change the landscape.

It does matchup pretty well with a Zion move though.

[whocares1]

A trade is a 2 way street. Who can the Knicks possibly acquire that would flip this dumpster fire around? What team would be willing to give up a major asset for a pick that maybe not even be Top 4? Would the Pelicans want to trade Zion while his value is at his all time low? If anything the Knicks need a young cost controlled talented asset more than anything else.

my guess they will be after one of Zion/Mitchell/SGA (likely the longest shot).

It'll end up being Dame or Beal.

More like Malcolm Brogdon.. They’re not getting any of those players short of those guys specifically asking to be traded to the Knicks.

[mpharris36]

my guess they will be after one of Zion/Mitchell/SGA (likely the longest shot).

It'll end up being Dame or Beal.

More like Malcolm Brogdon.. They’re not getting any of those players short of those guys specifically asking to be traded to the Knicks.

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

[whocares1]

It'll end up being Dame or Beal.

More like Malcolm Brogdon.. They’re not getting any of those players short of those guys specifically asking to be traded to the Knicks.

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

I don’t think they’d trade a Top 3 pick for Brogdon but it really depends on where the Knicks end up in the lottery. If the pick ends ups in the 9-12 range I don’t see them investing in another young point guard. And if they magically end up Top 3 I’d expect them to keep the pick unless something changes on the Zion front and he asks for a trade.

[knickstape4ever]

Who said anything about pairing RJ with him?

I don't think they are trading RJ. After the seasons Beal and Dame are coming off of. RJ has more trade value then either one of them in the open markets and there ages with there bloated contracts.


No one would trade a top 4 pick for either one of those guys right now.

But you can't trade Randle, either

And you need to make the playoffs or your job is done next year

So the inevitable conclusion is to cannibalize the future to win enough now to survive.

if they want to survive IMO, they need to sell Dolan on a rebuilding plan

going for it is only gonna backfire. we're too far away and there aren't any available stars that makes us a legit contender

[Spree2Houston]

Time to start including Holmgren in this discussion since Mitch will be gone

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[Spree2Houston]

Whoever gets Scott next year will be very lucky. This kid is going to be special.

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[2010]

It'll end up being Dame or Beal.

More like Malcolm Brogdon.. They’re not getting any of those players short of those guys specifically asking to be traded to the Knicks.

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

Brogdon is overrated around here. So is Turner. Iono why Knicks fans overvalue Pacers for some odd reason.

[mpharris36]

More like Malcolm Brogdon.. They’re not getting any of those players short of those guys specifically asking to be traded to the Knicks.

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

Brogdon is overrated around here. So is Turner. Iono why Knicks fans overvalue Pacers for some odd reason.

The pacers were a middling team with Brogdon/Sabonis/Turner...at there best that team was a fringe playoff team. We shouldn't be aspiring to be that.

[mpharris36]

Time to start including Holmgren in this discussion since Mitch will be gone

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McBride
Grimes
Barrett
Reddish
Holmgren

I mean that was against San Francisco...who has little to no talent. Chet is one of the best prospects in the draft but a San Fran highlight video does nothing for me.

Saint Mary's just rendered him pretty much ineffective in his last game...he has had some clunkers vs higher comp.

[2010]

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

Brogdon is overrated around here. So is Turner. Iono why Knicks fans overvalue Pacers for some odd reason.

The pacers were a middling team with Brogdon/Sabonis/Turner...at there best that team was a fringe playoff team. We shouldn't be aspiring to be that.

Include LeVert with those three as well. Still wasn’t anything to write home about. For what we need, their players weren’t/aren’t the solution. Especially for the asking price.

[finestrg]

So as of today, I believe we're hovering around 10 and 40 with our picks.

Not sure what we should do at 10. Part of me thinks that if we stick at 10 and don't trade up or down, maybe we go with a center. I just don't know if Mitch has shown the proper growth and development with his game that warrants some 4-year extension at say $10-15mm a season. I don't feel we should pay him that (esp. after paying Noel -- both guys are just so damn limited on the offensive end for my taste), but someone probably will, which is why right now, gun to my head, I feel Mitch is goner. If Leon and co. thought Mitch was a keeper, they would've locked him up already, I feel.. So if we use 10 for a center replacement, a guy I've warmed up to A LOT is Arizona's Christian Koloko. A bit thin at 225-230 lbs. (which you figure he could eventually add close to another 10 lbs. of muscle, no problem), but 7'1", long, and very athletic/active. Like Mitch, he'd bring top-notch rim protection, the same lob threat, good enough rebounding with that crazy height/length, but unlike Mitch, I think this guy's capable of becoming a much better offensive player. First off, he's a better FT shooter with rinse and repeat mechanics (Mitch, by comparison, is a flat out disaster at the foul line). And again unlike Mitch, you can throw the ball to this dude in the post and he can actually do something with it -- he's got better-looking hands receiving the ball and very polished-looking hook shots with either hand with great touch. And in a couple of clips I've seen, I've seen him pop from mid-range with a real nice looking jumper too (I feel he doesn't show this enough in fact). He's nowhere near a fully polished offensive player yet, I get it, but the makings of one definitely look there to me. I think the ceiling for this dude could be an even bigger Serge Ibaka, right down to a 3-pt shot he could develop eventually.

With a move like this, we save the cap room by not blowing it on Mitch and wind up upgrading with an even better player to boot. Win-win...I think this guy might be worth using the 10th pick on. If the Knicks thought the same about using 10 to upgrade the 5 spot, two things: (1) Just going back and forth on which player better fits the bill here for us -- Koloko or Mark Williams. I get Williams is about 10-15 lbs heavier and looks a little stronger at this point, but I think in the long run, Koloko could add close to 10 lbs. easy...then, I'm not sure Williams is as polished as Koloko offensively, now or eventually in the NBA. Tough call here, I think both would be upgrades over Mitch, I just feel Koloko might have the higher ceiling.

Also wondering if Koloko at 10 might be a bit of a reach, just thinking realistically about how he might be perceived.. I mean maybe we look to pull off some kind of deal with a team like OKC -- 10 for 14 and 34, something like that.. Then we guarantee Koloko the pick at 14 (I might even guarantee him the pick at 10), and then could have 34 to use on another good player -- maybe a shooter like Johnny Juzang (where we could then turn around a relocate a guy like Grimes or Quickley in a package to alleviate clutter and duplication and hopefully fill another hole (like say we ever drafted Keegan Murray, I'd consider Toppin duplication and guy we might have to relocate in a trade). I like Grimes a lot but part of me thinks Juzang with even more size and I feel a purer J might be a better option over Grimes in the NBA. And again, i like Grimes and I know the Knicks do too, so not even convinced Juzang > Grimes, just thinking out loud...

Another guy who's grown on me is this kid Alondes Williams from Wake Forest. I can't take credit for looking at this kid, another knowledgeable poster on another site, BRIGGS, had mentioned him going back a couple of weeks now. He's a senior so a bit older but man, after watch a lot of tape, I'm sold on this kid, definitely somewhere in the 2nd round. I think he could even be a surprise 1st round pick a-la Chris Duarte (not a surprise in skill level, but a suprise in a senior going relatively high). He goes about 6'5"-6'6" so great height for a 1 and he's definitely a PG. I mean check out the tape on this kid -- forget college, he might be one of the best passers I've ever seen period. Shoots an incredible high % from 2 and although his 3-ball isn't pure, it's been fairly solid this year and could be even better eventually at the pro level. Great handle, plays with grace (they're different players, but his movements make me think of Allan Houston. Allan was a scoring big 2, this dude Williams is a big real PG -- like an Elfrid Payton but with much better offensive and overall skills, but think of the way Allan Houston played and moved on the court -- that type of grace/pace/poise), shifty, can get to the rim, the court vision/passing if off the charts, and I think he'll play enough D. And he's big enough to play some 2-guard as well (which could give us 2 ball-handlers/two passers on the court at the same time - a big plus. Anything to alleviate Randle from handling the ball so much). Always looking to throw down a crazy hammer dunk if he gets a chance too! Right now, nbadraft.net has him going 60, which is crazy, given his talent level (they just added him recently to their 2022 mock--he wasn't even on their mock despite averaging almost 20 ppg all season). Maybe I'm wrong but to me, this dude looks like 1st round pick material to me, unless his age keeps him down on the board (it didn't for Chris Duarte last summer though). Even with McBride already in the fold (who I love and think the Knicks need to start playing already for Pete's sake!!), this kid Williams would be a good addition. Shout out to BRIGGS -- somethings I disagree on like Keegan Murray becoming the next Carmelo Anthony -- I don't see that at all, but on this kid Alondes Williams, hats off mentioning this kid, excellent call! Miss posting with you brother. Stay well..

So Christian Koloko, Johnny Juzang and Alondes Williams. Give me some thoughts on these three for us.

Compare to Mitchell Robinson and even Noel -- I mean this guy's still raw in a sense but look at all he can do offensively already with both hands! And how about the mid-range J at 1:53? There's a lot of potential here I feel. All stuff Mitch can't even do in his sleep!

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[knickstape4ever]

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

Brogdon is overrated around here. So is Turner. Iono why Knicks fans overvalue Pacers for some odd reason.

The pacers were a middling team with Brogdon/Sabonis/Turner...at there best that team was a fringe playoff team. We shouldn't be aspiring to be that.

also I'm skeptical given his injury history and age (30 next season, doesnt fit our timeline). pass

[newyorker4ever]

More like Malcolm Brogdon.. They’re not getting any of those players short of those guys specifically asking to be traded to the Knicks.

im talking about trading our lottery pick though...Brogdon isn't going to require a top 7-8 pick to acquire. He doesn't hold that value.

They might trade for Brogdon...it wont cost that much.

Brogdon is overrated around here. So is Turner. Iono why Knicks fans overvalue Pacers for some odd reason.

Many on here are also already calling Deuce McBride the Knicks PG savior because he's playing well in the G-League sooooooooooooo..........................

[nyk2017]

Whoever gets Scott next year will be very lucky. This kid is going to be special.

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Totally agree. Scoot Henderson is a guy this franchise cannot miss out on. We have missed on Ja and Curry by 1 pick and it cannot happen again. I would be ok with trading RJ, several FRPs and whoever else to get this guy. This is the kind of player that you build a franchise around for 10-15 years.

[TheGreenArrow]

Jaden Ivey folks JADEN IVEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[god shammgod]

Brogdon is overrated around here. So is Turner. Iono why Knicks fans overvalue Pacers for some odd reason.

The pacers were a middling team with Brogdon/Sabonis/Turner...at there best that team was a fringe playoff team. We shouldn't be aspiring to be that.

Include LeVert with those three as well. Still wasn’t anything to write home about. For what we need, their players weren’t/aren’t the solution. Especially for the asking price.

preach