2022 NBA Draft

[babyjax13]

I think Ivey's ideal role is something like what SGA is for OKC, only he generates his points with explosiveness and burst instead of Shai's extreme craftiness.

[Big J]

I think Ivey's ideal role is something like what SGA is for OKC, only he generates his points with explosiveness and burst instead of Shai's extreme craftiness.

Sorta like a Ja Morant then?

[babyjax13]

I think Ivey's ideal role is something like what SGA is for OKC, only he generates his points with explosiveness and burst instead of Shai's extreme craftiness.

Sorta like a Ja Morant then?

I get the Ja comparisons from an aesthetic perspective, but while Ivey is a great athlete I don't think he's Ja, and they are going to occupy different roles. I see Ivey as a secondary playmaker who can moonlight as a primary playmaker a la SGA + Mitchell, etc.

[clyde21]

I think Ivey's ideal role is something like what SGA is for OKC, only he generates his points with explosiveness and burst instead of Shai's extreme craftiness.

Sorta like a Ja Morant then?

what? Morant averaged 10 assists a game in college. Ivey's barely at 3.

[Big J]

I think Ivey's ideal role is something like what SGA is for OKC, only he generates his points with explosiveness and burst instead of Shai's extreme craftiness.

Sorta like a Ja Morant then?

what? Morant averaged 10 assists a game in college. Ivey's barely at 3.

Damn I didn't realize that. Brotha shoulda been calling his own number more back then.

[Duke4life831]

I think Ivey's ideal role is something like what SGA is for OKC, only he generates his points with explosiveness and burst instead of Shai's extreme craftiness.

Sorta like a Ja Morant then?

what? Morant averaged 10 assists a game in college. Ivey's barely at 3.

Ya the Ivey being a PG thing needs to die already haha.

I actually think Ivey has one of the clearer archetypes in this draft. You take him with the Mitchell/LaVine view point. He will be your primary ball handler but not your primary floor general.

You just need a PG to pair with him that fits that. A Conley/Ball fit with that kind of player perfectly. If I draft Ivey, I'm probably looking to sign Tyus Jones this summer to pair with him. Because he is the kind of PG you'd like next to him. Super smart PG that doesn't need to dominate the ball but can settle the offense down and run sets when needed.

If you're drafting Ivey to be a PG, that's going to go very poorly.

[zimpy27]

Ivey will drive with burst and score but will have less outs without craftiness, so I expect a poor AST/TO ratio. I see high-quality 6th man potential from Ivey with his energy and skillset at this stage. He is starter level but I struggle to see the utility for a good team unless he really develops his shooting or playmaking. I guess that's the gamble a team would take.

An SG version of Ja or Fox might be right but it is really hard to picture that because playmaking skills really help their game. I keep thinking of players like Dante Exum and RJ Hampton.

[BlazersBroncos]

What about a Steve Francis comparison?

[babyjax13]

What about a Steve Francis comparison?

I think the issue with almost all of these comps is either:

(a) Jaden is bigger (this includes Francis, Fox, Mitchell), and/or
(b) Jaden is a worse shooter (this includes LaVine, Mitchell, etc.), and/or
(c) Jaden is a worse playmaker (Ja), and/or
(d) Jaden is a better athlete (SGA)

He has a combination of traits that are valued in the NBA, but it is a bit of an odd mix.

[mattao313]

Iveys ball handling is questionable and basic at times imo

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[BlazersBroncos]

What about a Steve Francis comparison?

I think the issue with almost all of these comps is either:

(a) Jaden is bigger (this includes Francis, Fox, Mitchell), and/or
(b) Jaden is a worse shooter (this includes LaVine, Mitchell, etc.), and/or
(c) Jaden is a worse playmaker (Ja), and/or
(d) Jaden is a better athlete (SGA)

He has a combination of traits that are valued in the NBA, but it is a bit of an odd mix.

Jaden is listed as 6'4 195. Steve at 6'3 195.

Obviously not apples to apples but athletically Francis and Ivy seem really similar. Not that graceful, slippery athleticism but more of a brute strength, barreling to the hoop, taking contact while still getting really airborne and scoring athleticism.

[babyjax13]

What about a Steve Francis comparison?

I think the issue with almost all of these comps is either:

(a) Jaden is bigger (this includes Francis, Fox, Mitchell), and/or
(b) Jaden is a worse shooter (this includes LaVine, Mitchell, etc.), and/or
(c) Jaden is a worse playmaker (Ja), and/or
(d) Jaden is a better athlete (SGA)

He has a combination of traits that are valued in the NBA, but it is a bit of an odd mix.

Jaden is listed as 6'4 195. Steve at 6'3 195.

Obviously not apples to apples but athletically Francis and Ivy seem really similar. Not that graceful, slippery athleticism but more of a brute strength, barreling to the hoop, taking contact while still getting really airborne and scoring athleticism.

I think Ivey is likely a lot longer, but I could be wrong. I did love Francis back in the day, he was fun, but you are also right that Ivey is ... somehow very graceful, even though he is violently athletic. That's where the Ja comps come from, I think.

[Kobblehead]

What about a Steve Francis comparison?

I think the issue with almost all of these comps is either:

(a) Jaden is bigger (this includes Francis, Fox, Mitchell), and/or
(b) Jaden is a worse shooter (this includes LaVine, Mitchell, etc.), and/or
(c) Jaden is a worse playmaker (Ja), and/or
(d) Jaden is a better athlete (SGA)

He has a combination of traits that are valued in the NBA, but it is a bit of an odd mix.

What about a recent guy. Bouknight.

Both are explosive athletes with a quick first step. Both are scorers that lack a well-rounded game when it comes to defense and distributing. Both are willing shooters from three, but widely inaccurate.

Bouknight might be a little longer and leaner, but I think the comp works reasonably well.

[babyjax13]

What about a Steve Francis comparison?

I think the issue with almost all of these comps is either:

(a) Jaden is bigger (this includes Francis, Fox, Mitchell), and/or
(b) Jaden is a worse shooter (this includes LaVine, Mitchell, etc.), and/or
(c) Jaden is a worse playmaker (Ja), and/or
(d) Jaden is a better athlete (SGA)

He has a combination of traits that are valued in the NBA, but it is a bit of an odd mix.

What about a recent guy. Bouknight.

Both are explosive athletes with a quick first step. Both are scorers that lack a well-rounded game when it comes to defense and distributing. Both are willing shooters from three, but widely inaccurate.

Bouknight might be a little longer and leaner, but I think the comp works reasonably well.

I think Ivey is a lot more skilled but a worst shooter. It's easy enough, I think, to find athletic and body type comps ... but not someone with that size and explosiveness + his unique skillset. Plus, hard to make a comp with Bouk rn since he has not really performed at the NBA level, and I think Ivey has been a lot better in college.

[Duke4life831]

Im having a harder and harder time making an argument from having Mathurin being the first guard taken in this draft. All year long he has been just climbing up my rankings and I think I have him #1 when it comes to the guards. Im waiting to see Sharpe do some measurements to get a better feeling on how big he actually is.

But at the moment Bennedict kind of checks off all the boxes for me. Now granted I have him as my #1 guard because I think this is a pretty weak guard class up at the top.

But the dude is 6'6-6'7
Seems to have pretty long arms
Is a good athlete
Good form on his jumper
Solid FT shooter and solid production with his jumper
Not the tightest and most dynamic handle though

I just like the idea of taking him and early on he can focus on being a 3&D guard with plenty of upside of hopefully his on ball ability growing and his offensive role growing as well.

[EMG518]

Im having a harder and harder time making an argument from having Mathurin being the first guard taken in this draft. All year long he has been just climbing up my rankings and I think I have him #1 when it comes to the guards. Im waiting to see Sharpe do some measurements to get a better feeling on how big he actually is.

But at the moment Bennedict kind of checks off all the boxes for me. Now granted I have him as my #1 guard because I think this is a pretty weak guard class up at the top.

But the dude is 6'6-6'7
Seems to have pretty long arms
Is a good athlete
Good form on his jumper
Solid FT shooter and solid production with his jumper
Not the tightest and most dynamic handle though

I just like the idea of taking him and early on he can focus on being a 3&D guard with plenty of upside of hopefully his on ball ability growing and his offensive role growing as well.

Too one dimensional for me on offense and okay on defense. I just don't see it with him.

How high is everyone drafting Bryce Mcgowens?

I had him added to my board the other day and he went off tonight against Ohio State and got them the win.

[Duke4life831]

Im having a harder and harder time making an argument from having Mathurin being the first guard taken in this draft. All year long he has been just climbing up my rankings and I think I have him #1 when it comes to the guards. Im waiting to see Sharpe do some measurements to get a better feeling on how big he actually is.

But at the moment Bennedict kind of checks off all the boxes for me. Now granted I have him as my #1 guard because I think this is a pretty weak guard class up at the top.

But the dude is 6'6-6'7
Seems to have pretty long arms
Is a good athlete
Good form on his jumper
Solid FT shooter and solid production with his jumper
Not the tightest and most dynamic handle though

I just like the idea of taking him and early on he can focus on being a 3&D guard with plenty of upside of hopefully his on ball ability growing and his offensive role growing as well.

Too one dimensional for me on offense and okay on defense. I just don't see it with him.

How high is everyone drafting Bryce Mcgowens?

I had him added to my board the other day and he went off tonight against Ohio State and got them the win.

Who isnt one dimensional in this guard class though?

Ivey is shooting sub 30% from 3 in conference play
Davis is shooting 31% from 3 in conference play
Neither one are good facilitators either. So both are just slashers on the offensive end.

Its not like we are dealing with the most dynamic guard class this year. At least Mathurin has a reliable jump shot to fall back on and he is the biggest guard out of the group as well. He also has all the things you can ask for, for a good defensive prospect. Ya he isnt a great defender now, but has all the tools to be one.

[EMG518]

Im having a harder and harder time making an argument from having Mathurin being the first guard taken in this draft. All year long he has been just climbing up my rankings and I think I have him #1 when it comes to the guards. Im waiting to see Sharpe do some measurements to get a better feeling on how big he actually is.

But at the moment Bennedict kind of checks off all the boxes for me. Now granted I have him as my #1 guard because I think this is a pretty weak guard class up at the top.

But the dude is 6'6-6'7
Seems to have pretty long arms
Is a good athlete
Good form on his jumper
Solid FT shooter and solid production with his jumper
Not the tightest and most dynamic handle though

I just like the idea of taking him and early on he can focus on being a 3&D guard with plenty of upside of hopefully his on ball ability growing and his offensive role growing as well.

Too one dimensional for me on offense and okay on defense. I just don't see it with him.

How high is everyone drafting Bryce Mcgowens?

I had him added to my board the other day and he went off tonight against Ohio State and got them the win.

Who isnt one dimensional in this guard class though?

Ivey is shooting sub 30% from 3 in conference play
Davis is shooting 31% from 3 in conference play
Neither one are good facilitators either. So both are just slashers on the offensive end.

Its not like we are dealing with the most dynamic guard class this year. At least Mathurin has a reliable jump shot to fall back on and he is the biggest guard out of the group as well. He also has all the things you can ask for, for a good defensive prospect. Ya he isnt a great defender now, but has all the tools to be one.

Davis and Ivey are both better defensively, Davis is way more versatile of a scorer, Ivey is a freakish athlete with the ball in hand, and has the ability to be another play maker on the floor. So I would say of the three the one who is one dimensional on offense as well as the worst defensively is Mathurin.

[The Moose]

Im having a harder and harder time making an argument from having Mathurin being the first guard taken in this draft. All year long he has been just climbing up my rankings and I think I have him #1 when it comes to the guards. Im waiting to see Sharpe do some measurements to get a better feeling on how big he actually is.

But at the moment Bennedict kind of checks off all the boxes for me. Now granted I have him as my #1 guard because I think this is a pretty weak guard class up at the top.

But the dude is 6'6-6'7
Seems to have pretty long arms
Is a good athlete
Good form on his jumper
Solid FT shooter and solid production with his jumper
Not the tightest and most dynamic handle though

I just like the idea of taking him and early on he can focus on being a 3&D guard with plenty of upside of hopefully his on ball ability growing and his offensive role growing as well.

His listed height seems like a massive stretch to me, he’s closer to 6’4 than 6’7 imo. I mean he looks shorter than a lot of the 6’5/6’6 guys on his own team.
To me he’s KCP 2.0, which is honestly not bad value in the 6-10 range

[Duke4life831]

Too one dimensional for me on offense and okay on defense. I just don't see it with him.

How high is everyone drafting Bryce Mcgowens?

I had him added to my board the other day and he went off tonight against Ohio State and got them the win.

Who isnt one dimensional in this guard class though?

Ivey is shooting sub 30% from 3 in conference play
Davis is shooting 31% from 3 in conference play
Neither one are good facilitators either. So both are just slashers on the offensive end.

Its not like we are dealing with the most dynamic guard class this year. At least Mathurin has a reliable jump shot to fall back on and he is the biggest guard out of the group as well. He also has all the things you can ask for, for a good defensive prospect. Ya he isnt a great defender now, but has all the tools to be one.

Davis and Ivey are both better defensively, Davis is way more versatile of a scorer, Ivey is a freakish athlete with the ball in hand, and has the ability to be another play maker on the floor. So I would say of the three the one who is one dimensional on offense as well as the worst defensively is Mathurin.

Davis is a slasher and mid range guy, that is about it when it comes to his scoring ability. Again he is not a good jump shooter or a facilitator. That isnt really being more dynamic. Also the other question is how translatable is that skill into the next level? Is he still going to be a guy with a FTr of .400? Davis is also the worst athlete out of the 3 of them. How easily is he going to be able to slash against NBA defenders when he doesnt have a consistent jump shot? How efficient will he be with his shot making in the mid range in the NBA?

When it comes to Ivey, yes he is extremely quick. But again a bad jump shot and not the most dynamic handle. Ivey's offensive game is not what I would call super versatile. And Im a big Ivey guy, you can look back at all of my rankings throughout the year, Ivey has been in my top 5 the entire year. But again outside of using his quickness to attack the basket, where is the versatility in his game on the offensive end?

I also dont think the defensive gap between these guys is all that huge either. Also its not like Mathurin is only a spot up catch and shoot guy either.