PG: Raptors clip the Nets

[ATLTimekeeper]

Anyone see the postgame with Nurse? Dude got testy when asked why Flynn wasn't given much minutes earlier in the season. Gave a generic answer of, oh you need to make shots and be productive for me to give you minutes. Except he can keep playing Precious through his plethora of mistakes, many of which are basic basketball plays like catching a damn pass lol. Makes no sense to me how he expects a young player to come into a game and deliver with such a short leash.

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Nurse does not like being second-guessed. I don't know what people really expect out of these pressers, he'll just say whatever he wants and he knows the only thing that matters is whether he wins.

[pingpongrac]

Nurse needs to put the same amount of trust in Flynn that he gave FVV in the 2019 playoffs. It was ugly for the first 2 rounds and a half, everyone was questioning why FVV wasn't benched. Then it just clicked and he ended up playing a big role in that Championship and has been great ever since.

FVV was coming off back-to-back years where he had a high impact off the bench. He was even a finalist for 6MOY the year before the Championship run. When FVV was struggling early in the playoffs, Nurse had 2+ years of evidence that FVV can be very good.

It would make sense to do the same thing if Flynn had shown he can play at a high level, but he had maybe a dozen good games last season while he was terrible in most of the other 25-30 games where he played rotation minutes. That's not a whole lot to go off of lol. Also, with Banton playing well out of the gates, it wouldn't make sense to bench him for Flynn when he was bad to start this season.

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[TravisScott55]

We may have a franchise player.

[lobosloboslobos]

Anyone see the postgame with Nurse? Dude got testy when asked why Flynn wasn't given much minutes earlier in the season. Gave a generic answer of, oh you need to make shots and be productive for me to give you minutes. Except he can keep playing Precious through his plethora of mistakes, many of which are basic basketball plays like catching a damn pass lol. Makes no sense to me how he expects a young player to come into a game and deliver with such a short leash.

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Nurse is a giant hypocrite. He has the guys that he trusts and he'll go to hell or high water with them. Anybody else who makes a mistake gets an immediate yank.

it's almost like Nurse trusts his vets who are proven winners and leaders more than the young guys and fringe players who have never yet made a mark in the league.

It's almost like the Raptors have a proven 'tough love plus tons of support plus time' approach to player development that has turned undrafted players and G-leaguers into NBA champions.

It's almost like the very vets he trusts now were themselves fringe g-leaguers at the bottom of the pecking order who had to go through the same slow process of developing their skills and approach to earn their place on the team, and that this is an intentional and successful culture and model that the team uses for all the younger guys (except scottie who is obviously on a different level)

it's almost like the coaches and management have an actual long term plan, as well as short term plans and internal milestones they use to measure and reward progress that you and i know nothing about

or... you're right and Nurse and his staff are all idiots running around without a clue like chickens with their heads cut off

which do you think it is?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Nurse played Svi for like a good month of awful basketball. He is being a hypocrite. But, if he wins no one cares. No one was talking about Flynn's playing time when they were winning like 8 in a row. Anyway, good on Malachi for staying poised. He hit some big shots last night when we needed them. It's pretty obvious that Fred is unable to play basketball right now, and by taking him out the team has been much more competitive.

[PD28]

Anyone see the postgame with Nurse? Dude got testy when asked why Flynn wasn't given much minutes earlier in the season. Gave a generic answer of, oh you need to make shots and be productive for me to give you minutes. Except he can keep playing Precious through his plethora of mistakes, many of which are basic basketball plays like catching a damn pass lol. Makes no sense to me how he expects a young player to come into a game and deliver with such a short leash.

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Nurse is a giant hypocrite. He has the guys that he trusts and he'll go to hell or high water with them. Anybody else who makes a mistake gets an immediate yank.

it's almost like Nurse trusts his vets who are proven winners and leaders more than the young guys and fringe players who have never yet made a mark in the league.

It's almost like the Raptors have a proven 'tough love plus tons of support plus time' approach to player development that has turned undrafted players and G-leaguers into NBA champions.

It's almost like the very vets he trusts now were themselves fringe g-leaguers at the bottom of the pecking order who had to go through the same slow process of developing their skills and approach to earn their place on the team, and that this is an intentional and successful culture and model that the team uses for all the younger guys (except scottie who is obviously on a different level)

it's almost like the coaches and management have an actual long term plan, as well as short term plans and internal milestones they use to measure and reward progress that you and i know nothing about

or... you're right and Nurse and his staff are all idiots running around without a clue like chickens with their heads cut off

which do you think it is?

So Precious is a vet now? News to me.

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[aminiaturebuddha]

Nurse is a giant hypocrite. He has the guys that he trusts and he'll go to hell or high water with them. Anybody else who makes a mistake gets an immediate yank.

it's almost like Nurse trusts his vets who are proven winners and leaders more than the young guys and fringe players who have never yet made a mark in the league.

It's almost like the Raptors have a proven 'tough love plus tons of support plus time' approach to player development that has turned undrafted players and G-leaguers into NBA champions.

It's almost like the very vets he trusts now were themselves fringe g-leaguers at the bottom of the pecking order who had to go through the same slow process of developing their skills and approach to earn their place on the team, and that this is an intentional and successful culture and model that the team uses for all the younger guys (except scottie who is obviously on a different level)

it's almost like the coaches and management have an actual long term plan, as well as short term plans and internal milestones they use to measure and reward progress that you and i know nothing about

or... you're right and Nurse and his staff are all idiots running around without a clue like chickens with their heads cut off

which do you think it is?

So Precious is a vet now? News to me.

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The difference is obviously that Precious was still making a huge impact on the defensive end, even when he was struggling offensively, whereas Malachi wasn't. I'm not sure why this is that hard to figure out, and why it's necessary to resort to "oh, the guy who coached us to a championship and constantly preaches defence is just a giant hypocrite for choosing to play guys who are playing well defensively".

[PD28]

it's almost like Nurse trusts his vets who are proven winners and leaders more than the young guys and fringe players who have never yet made a mark in the league.

It's almost like the Raptors have a proven 'tough love plus tons of support plus time' approach to player development that has turned undrafted players and G-leaguers into NBA champions.

It's almost like the very vets he trusts now were themselves fringe g-leaguers at the bottom of the pecking order who had to go through the same slow process of developing their skills and approach to earn their place on the team, and that this is an intentional and successful culture and model that the team uses for all the younger guys (except scottie who is obviously on a different level)

it's almost like the coaches and management have an actual long term plan, as well as short term plans and internal milestones they use to measure and reward progress that you and i know nothing about

or... you're right and Nurse and his staff are all idiots running around without a clue like chickens with their heads cut off

which do you think it is?

So Precious is a vet now? News to me.

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The difference is obviously that Precious was still making a huge impact on the defensive end, even when he was struggling offensively, whereas Malachi wasn't. I'm not sure why this is that hard to figure out, and why it's necessary to resort to "oh, the guy who coached us to a championship and constantly preaches defence is just a giant hypocrite for choosing to play guys who are playing well defensively".

Well I wasn't the poster who said that. All I'm saying is I think Nurse needs to not waste the asset we have in Malachi by at least giving him runs when FVV and others are out. You cannot improve/gain confidence if he doesn't put you out on the floor at all.

[ash_k]

I came into the season fully expecting Flynn to be FVV's back.
Though Nurse's management of that situation has been questionable; Flynn's energy has been totally different in the last 2 games. This is Flynn's April 2021 that we have been seeing the last 2 games. For most of the season, he has looked stuck in the "slutch"

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Nurse played Svi for like a good month of awful basketball. He is being a hypocrite. But, if he wins no one cares. No one was talking about Flynn's playing time when they were winning like 8 in a row. Anyway, good on Malachi for staying poised. He hit some big shots last night when we needed them. It's pretty obvious that Fred is unable to play basketball right now, and by taking him out the team has been much more competitive.

Siakam was out though to begin the season - the wing position was kinda out of whack until Siakam was back into game shape. OG then got hurt in November and December too. FVV and GTJ never got hurt.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

it's almost like Nurse trusts his vets who are proven winners and leaders more than the young guys and fringe players who have never yet made a mark in the league.

It's almost like the Raptors have a proven 'tough love plus tons of support plus time' approach to player development that has turned undrafted players and G-leaguers into NBA champions.

It's almost like the very vets he trusts now were themselves fringe g-leaguers at the bottom of the pecking order who had to go through the same slow process of developing their skills and approach to earn their place on the team, and that this is an intentional and successful culture and model that the team uses for all the younger guys (except scottie who is obviously on a different level)

it's almost like the coaches and management have an actual long term plan, as well as short term plans and internal milestones they use to measure and reward progress that you and i know nothing about

or... you're right and Nurse and his staff are all idiots running around without a clue like chickens with their heads cut off

which do you think it is?

So Precious is a vet now? News to me.

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The difference is obviously that Precious was still making a huge impact on the defensive end, even when he was struggling offensively, whereas Malachi wasn't. I'm not sure why this is that hard to figure out, and why it's necessary to resort to "oh, the guy who coached us to a championship and constantly preaches defence is just a giant hypocrite for choosing to play guys who are playing well defensively".

Raptors also lack guys who can play center and play physical as well, in addition to Precious' above average defense. FVV is a workhorse (until now)

[Johnny Bball]

So Precious is a vet now? News to me.

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The difference is obviously that Precious was still making a huge impact on the defensive end, even when he was struggling offensively, whereas Malachi wasn't. I'm not sure why this is that hard to figure out, and why it's necessary to resort to "oh, the guy who coached us to a championship and constantly preaches defence is just a giant hypocrite for choosing to play guys who are playing well defensively".

Well I wasn't the poster who said that. All I'm saying is I think Nurse needs to not waste the asset we have in Malachi by at least giving him runs when FVV and others are out. You cannot improve/gain confidence if he doesn't put you out on the floor at all.

If Flynn becomes something, it's just a bonus. The guy was bad last year until the break and played pretty well starting in garbage games. The guy has done the same this year playing poorly off the bench and given enough chances, playing well after the break when starting. But my bet is he's still not going to see a ton of regular minutes with FVV back. So, I'm not sold Flynn can be the guy in any way, so no I'm not force-feeding him minutes nor should they, and if he does come around finally off the bench and can have confidence and play, then good for him and the Raptors. But he's going to have to learn how to do it in 8-15 minutes a game like almost everyone else that was breaking into the league at some point.

Giving him this run was a good idea (probably one of the few options though).

[pingpongrac]

Nurse played Svi for like a good month of awful basketball. He is being a hypocrite. But, if he wins no one cares. No one was talking about Flynn's playing time when they were winning like 8 in a row. Anyway, good on Malachi for staying poised. He hit some big shots last night when we needed them. It's pretty obvious that Fred is unable to play basketball right now, and by taking him out the team has been much more competitive.

Siakam was out though to begin the season - the wing position was kinda out of whack until Siakam was back into game shape. OG then got hurt in November and December too. FVV and GTJ never got hurt.

Good point. Flynn played in 6 games where one of FVV/GTJ were out in the first ~50 games. He averaged 6/2/2 on 33/29/80 shooting splits in 18 MPG and he was a cumulative -25 in those games where we were outscored by a total of 24 points.

Obviously it's not a huge sample size, but Flynn generally had opportunities whenever FVV/GTJ were out. He just wasn't good in any of those instances until the past month.

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[KO7]

So like, are Scottie Black and gold jerseys not available online?

It’s really strange and mildly infuriating how difficult it is to hand my money over to merchants/NBA for jerseys I want.

I sorta understand that it’ll be difficult to get previous season’s Ja Morant jersey in light blue, but why the heck is it impossible to get DeMar’s Bulls City Edition jersey, and why won’t they make more Scottie City Editions?

Don’t get me started on the Kobe mamba jersey.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Nurse played Svi for like a good month of awful basketball. He is being a hypocrite. But, if he wins no one cares. No one was talking about Flynn's playing time when they were winning like 8 in a row. Anyway, good on Malachi for staying poised. He hit some big shots last night when we needed them. It's pretty obvious that Fred is unable to play basketball right now, and by taking him out the team has been much more competitive.

Siakam was out though to begin the season - the wing position was kinda out of whack until Siakam was back into game shape. OG then got hurt in November and December too. FVV and GTJ never got hurt.

Good point. Flynn played in 6 games where one of FVV/GTJ were out in the first ~50 games. He averaged 6/2/2 on 33/29/80 shooting splits in 18 MPG and he was a cumulative -25 in those games where we were outscored by a total of 24 points.

Obviously it's not a huge sample size, but Flynn generally had opportunities whenever FVV/GTJ were out. He just wasn't good in any of those instances until the past month.

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exactly - thats the other side of it. when he played - he didn't take advantage of those minutes.

[Parataxis]

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That's the thing. Players know what's what. He came here, worked in training camp, everyone liked him. Nick stopped playing him. The booing makes little sense.

He played pretty well tonight, better than last night

I think he said a few things in the media though about not wanting to be here in the offseason. He was also under contract here. He might've been a good teammate while he was here but he ultimately chose to bail on those same teammates in order to stay in Miami.

Kinda this. If he had decided to stay a positive locker room presence and mentor to the young kids, even if he wasn't playing, he would have been welcomed back to cheers.

Personally, if having him stay in Miami made sense for the team, then I'm glad that they made that call. But Toronto fans don't like it when they feel that somebody quit on the team. The boos, from a fan perspective, are understandable.

[Kevin Willis]

Standing in line at my Starbucks and the girl in front of me bought me my coffee. What a great way to start the day. Going to rewatch the game now.

Playa!!

[Boselecta]

Nurse is an amazing coach but he has no idea how to evaluate more traditional PGs. We have seen it with Dragic and now Flynn sure they may not fit his 6'8 switch everything scheme but there both serviceable guards in a position of need for us.

Hopefully he learns and is a little more lenient towards normal size guards. We're not world beaters and these guys needed reps not a fear that they may get subbed out every defensive mistake

[ATLTimekeeper]

That's the thing. Players know what's what. He came here, worked in training camp, everyone liked him. Nick stopped playing him. The booing makes little sense.

He played pretty well tonight, better than last night

I think he said a few things in the media though about not wanting to be here in the offseason. He was also under contract here. He might've been a good teammate while he was here but he ultimately chose to bail on those same teammates in order to stay in Miami.

Kinda this. If he had decided to stay a positive locker room presence and mentor to the young kids, even if he wasn't playing, he would have been welcomed back to cheers.

Personally, if having him stay in Miami made sense for the team, then I'm glad that they made that call. But Toronto fans don't like it when they feel that somebody quit on the team. The boos, from a fan perspective, are understandable.

He left because of a family situation, and also because the team wasn't intending to play him anymore. I don't see anything to get bothered about. The team did just fine without him, so it was the right call for all involved.

[Kevin Willis]

Anyone see the postgame with Nurse? Dude got testy when asked why Flynn wasn't given much minutes earlier in the season. Gave a generic answer of, oh you need to make shots and be productive for me to give you minutes. Except he can keep playing Precious through his plethora of mistakes, many of which are basic basketball plays like catching a damn pass lol. Makes no sense to me how he expects a young player to come into a game and deliver with such a short leash.

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Nurse is a giant hypocrite. He has the guys that he trusts and he'll go to hell or high water with them. Anybody else who makes a mistake gets an immediate yank.

Well earlier in the season Banton was playing better. Banton got to play by default. Similar to how Svi was playing be default earlier in the year due to injury. Also all coaches have their "guys". Casey was probably worse.