What is Jayson Tatum's ceiling?

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Over the last 15, he’s averaging the same 27/8/5 he’s averaged since December 1st, with a snazzy 2.14 assist to turnover ratio. BUT, he’s also shooting 39% from deep over that time, which we know is sustainable if he’s right. And because of that, he has a 62% TS since the middle of January.

I don’t give a damn about the poor mid range shooting today, because I don’t think he’s suddenly going to take a lot of them again. What I care about is that the guy who was his usual three ball away from being a 1st team all nba guy this season…seems to have found his outside shot.

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Should trade Tatum for Drummond

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Should trade Tatum for Drummond

I won’t quote the poster, but if anyone doesn’t get what the above post is referencing, this is from January of 2020.

agreed 100%, he really is the anti smart, he’s more like carmelo or dwight howard. tatum has been annointed by the media and majority of fanbase though(many likely influenced by media). the royal treatment he receives is extremely bizarre, we’re just living in bizarro land. i’ll admit, he’s been pretty solid defensively, but the guy has abysmal shooting nights every other game. he is at best, 5th most valuable player on this team(kemba, brown, hayward, smart), and is absolutely the guy to trade for drummond. i don’t want to hear “when he learns how to make a layup” any more. this dude is in his third season, and people seriously still defend the fact that he can’t make the easiest shot in the world? the greatest thing since sliced bread but he can’t make a layup. carbs are overrated, and so is tatum.

Since then, Tatum has just become one of the best finishers in the league. From this classic thread.

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Lol thanks for context. Drummond being a 2 time all star is such a bad look now

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Should trade Tatum for Drummond

I won’t quote the poster, but if anyone doesn’t get what the above post is referencing, this is from January of 2020.

agreed 100%, he really is the anti smart, he’s more like carmelo or dwight howard. tatum has been annointed by the media and majority of fanbase though(many likely influenced by media). the royal treatment he receives is extremely bizarre, we’re just living in bizarro land. i’ll admit, he’s been pretty solid defensively, but the guy has abysmal shooting nights every other game. he is at best, 5th most valuable player on this team(kemba, brown, hayward, smart), and is absolutely the guy to trade for drummond. i don’t want to hear “when he learns how to make a layup” any more. this dude is in his third season, and people seriously still defend the fact that he can’t make the easiest shot in the world? the greatest thing since sliced bread but he can’t make a layup. carbs are overrated, and so is tatum.

Since then, Tatum has just become one of the best finishers in the league. From this classic thread.

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Curious to see what he thinks of Tatum now.

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Should trade Tatum for Drummond

I won’t quote the poster, but if anyone doesn’t get what the above post is referencing, this is from January of 2020.

agreed 100%, he really is the anti smart, he’s more like carmelo or dwight howard. tatum has been annointed by the media and majority of fanbase though(many likely influenced by media). the royal treatment he receives is extremely bizarre, we’re just living in bizarro land. i’ll admit, he’s been pretty solid defensively, but the guy has abysmal shooting nights every other game. he is at best, 5th most valuable player on this team(kemba, brown, hayward, smart), and is absolutely the guy to trade for drummond. i don’t want to hear “when he learns how to make a layup” any more. this dude is in his third season, and people seriously still defend the fact that he can’t make the easiest shot in the world? the greatest thing since sliced bread but he can’t make a layup. carbs are overrated, and so is tatum.

Since then, Tatum has just become one of the best finishers in the league. From this classic thread.

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Curious to see what he thinks of Tatum now.

The same mostly, it’s a cycle. Early every season, said poster is more active and blasts Tatum. Then when Tatum gets it going, the same poster isn’t really heard from.

I wonder why that is

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Celtics are 1-19 when Tatum is a negative in +/-. So basically it's been a guaranteed loss when we get outscored while he's on the court.

Cs also 6-12 when he shoots below 20% from 3, 12-18 when he shoots 30% of less from 3. Half his games, he's shot quite poorly from beyond the arc.

EDIT: Last season, Cs were 1-18 when Tatum had a negative +/-.

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Celtics are 1-19 when Tatum is a negative in +/-. So basically it's been a guaranteed loss when we get outscored while he's on the court.

Cs also 6-12 when he shoots below 20% from 3, 12-18 when he shoots 30% of less from 3. Half his games, he's shot quite poorly from beyond the arc.

EDIT: Last season, Cs were 1-18 when Tatum had a negative +/-.

The game to game consistency (for whatever reason guys have, trying to adjust their game, better conditioning, effort level)is always the last step for the top guys to make, but damn it can be frustrating in the moment lol.

We need him to consistently be at his best the rest of the way. I’m optimistic, as long as he doesn't pick up avoidable early fouls too often.

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Celtics are 1-19 when Tatum is a negative in +/-. So basically it's been a guaranteed loss when we get outscored while he's on the court.

Cs also 6-12 when he shoots below 20% from 3, 12-18 when he shoots 30% of less from 3. Half his games, he's shot quite poorly from beyond the arc.

EDIT: Last season, Cs were 1-18 when Tatum had a negative +/-.

The game to game consistency (for whatever reason guys have, trying to adjust their game, better conditioning, effort level)is always the last step for the top guys to make, but damn it can be frustrating in the moment lol.

We need him to consistently be at his best the rest of the way. I’m optimistic, as long as he doesn't pick up avoidable early fouls too often.

The +/- thing just shows how much team relies on him. Need a better #2 the team can rely on whenever he sits. That even if we lose in the minutes he's on the floor, Cs can make up for it somewhat when he's off.

His shooting from 3 this season is his shooting from 3 this season. It is what it is. Just wish he didn't settle too much esp against teams that don't have rim protection. We started the 4th in Indy jacking up 10 threes (out of our first 15 shots) when game was still manageable. I guess that's what happens when guys are tired.

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So does Brown and Schroduer on that list.

If we don't play Theis more we really sold low on Dennis.

And more proof we have 2 of the best 2 way wings in the NBA.

They just need one MVP player (of the mold that has great playmaking skills) next to them and that's the making of a classic big 3.


Also sidenote, how the **** is old man Crowder so high up on the list for defensive impact? He really is a secret role playing star between now with the Suns and previously with the Heat going to the finals and him being on fire from 3. Maybe PF was his real position all along?

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So does Brown and Schroduer on that list.

If we don't play Theis more we really sold low on Dennis.

And more proof we have 2 of the best 2 way wings in the NBA.

They just need one MVP player (of the mold that has great playmaking skills) next to them and that's the making of a classic big 3.


Also sidenote, how the **** is old man Crowder so high up on the list for defensive impact? He really is a secret role playing star between now with the Suns and previously with the Heat going to the finals and him being on fire from 3. Maybe PF was his real position all along?

Schroder is in the negative there.

Here is the LEBRON for each of them.

Tatum
O-LEBRON: 3.1
D-LEBRON: 0.8
LEBRON: 3.9 (8th in the league)

Jaylen
O-LEBRON: 0.9
D-LEBRON: 0.3
LEBRON: 1.2 (77th overall)

Schroder
O-LEBRON: -0.8
D-LEBRON: -0.7
LEBRON: -1.5 (479th overall)

Theis is 495th himself lol, but Schroder was pretty bad here.

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Durant and especially Giannis seem like they will remain better than Tatum for quite some time. Durant is getting older but his game will age well and he's arguably playing the best ball of his career. He was a monster in the playoffs last year.

LeBron is slowing down while Tatum is getting better. How much longer until Tatum flips LeBron in the player rankings? During the 2024 playoffs LeBron will be 39 and Tatum will be 26. I'm thinking Tatum is better by then if not sooner.

After that? No reason Tatum couldn't be #3 behind Giannis and Durant.

Steph and Harden are getting older, not the defender Tatum is. Embiid and Jokic both struggle w/ conditioning and defending in space. Doncic is not the defender Tatum is and doesn't keep his body in pristine condition. Morant is a guard with an at best average jumper. I guess it's the defense that really sets Tatum apart for me. Give me the two way guys.

Kawhi is a wild card here. 2 way beast, only 29 but currently out with a serious injury.

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I know what Trae brings offensively, but he does not belong on that list. I know it’s just a formula, but still.

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I know what Trae brings offensively, but he does not belong on that list. I know it’s just a formula, but still.

MVPs really need to take into account both sides of the floor, and as a result, based on that list I have

Jokic
Giannis
Embiid
Demar
Luka
Morant
Paul
Curry
Tatim

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This is pretty crazy, it’s on over 600 possessions too.

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