PG: Raptors clip the Nets

[NBA Sheady]

industrial engineering, with an aerospace focus!

Ah one of those easy-to-get PhD's.

Wow man, that is impressive as hell. My wife is in PhD4 of a Psyche degree. It has beaten and battered her and there isn't much left. I'm honestly not sure I should continue to encourage her.

You absolutely should. I think I wanted to quit like three different times when I was doing mine. Outside encouragement was extremely helpful to keep me steady and to push forward.

At this point I'm worried she's made herself so sick she may never recover.

[Boselecta]

Nurse is an amazing coach but he has no idea how to evaluate more traditional PGs. We have seen it with Dragic and now Flynn sure they may not fit his 6'8 switch everything scheme but there both serviceable guards in a position of need for us.

Hopefully he learns and is a little more lenient towards normal size guards. We're not world beaters and these guys needed reps not a fear that they may get subbed out every defensive mistake

what do you mean, Flynn played like garbage to begin the season. Dragic didn't want to be here.

Anyone would play like garbage if they were one missed mistake away from being stapled to the bench. Dragic would have been fine if we gave him playing time but again Nurse stuck him on the bench.

[vulture]

Frank Isola saying that they shouldn't call 3 seconds violation in the fourth is a pretty dumb take. yeah let's not follow the rules allow teams to just stay in the lane during crunch time.

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[Mikistan]

Ah one of those easy-to-get PhD's.

Wow man, that is impressive as hell. My wife is in PhD4 of a Psyche degree. It has beaten and battered her and there isn't much left. I'm honestly not sure I should continue to encourage her.

You absolutely should. I think I wanted to quit like three different times when I was doing mine. Outside encouragement was extremely helpful to keep me steady and to push forward.

At this point I'm worried she's made herself so sick she may never recover.

you ever wonder if shes getting that psyche degree so she can try to fix you?

[NBA Sheady]

You absolutely should. I think I wanted to quit like three different times when I was doing mine. Outside encouragement was extremely helpful to keep me steady and to push forward.

At this point I'm worried she's made herself so sick she may never recover.

you ever wonder if shes getting that psyche degree so she can try to fix you?

She's not studying in that area of psych...thank god

[LarrySeinfeld]

The difference is obviously that Precious was still making a huge impact on the defensive end, even when he was struggling offensively, whereas Malachi wasn't. I'm not sure why this is that hard to figure out, and why it's necessary to resort to "oh, the guy who coached us to a championship and constantly preaches defence is just a giant hypocrite for choosing to play guys who are playing well defensively".

Well I wasn't the poster who said that. All I'm saying is I think Nurse needs to not waste the asset we have in Malachi by at least giving him runs when FVV and others are out. You cannot improve/gain confidence if he doesn't put you out on the floor at all.

If Flynn becomes something, it's just a bonus. The guy was bad last year until the break and played pretty well starting in garbage games. The guy has done the same this year playing poorly off the bench and given enough chances, playing well after the break when starting. But my bet is he's still not going to see a ton of regular minutes with FVV back. So, I'm not sold Flynn can be the guy in any way, so no I'm not force-feeding him minutes nor should they, and if he does come around finally off the bench and can have confidence and play, then good for him and the Raptors. But he's going to have to learn how to do it in 8-15 minutes a game like almost everyone else that was breaking into the league at some point.

Giving him this run was a good idea (probably one of the few options though).

Wish fans were a little more level headed like this.

It's great to see the excitement from some people in regards to what Flynn has provided us with the last couple of games. It's a great story of perseverance and i am absolutely thrilled he has taken advantage of the opportunity this time around. I just hope he keeps it up..

The fact is like you said he didn't turn too many heads last year and began the season this year terrible. Just making bad decision causing turnovers, wasn't making or taking great shots and his defense was suspect. We then went on an 8 game winning streak and he became lost. He had his opportunities he just didn't show us anything worthwhile offensively and defensively. Which is why Nurse went with Banton over him with the length and switch ability he brought. I mean he wasn't playing great before, he has 2 good games and the people come out the woodworks against Nurse like "seee we knew it, we told you". Doesn't work like that. Nurse said in the post game if you play well during the opportunities your given your going to play more.. it's as simple as that. Everyone get's there chance.

He's played well and i really hope like you said he can still provide that same impact in shorter bursts playing behind Fred when he comes back. He's got a great ability that allows him to control the pace of a game. That's a great asset to have in a back up in games where we might be stuck and looking for that spark.

[dukes_wild]

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I hate this. Of course he won't look good when he's looking over his shoulder after every mistake and then picking up DNP-CDs every other game.

Lol. You really never noticed he can't play well coming off the bench? Like not once in the last 20 tries?

It's like boogie got a second account?

Why are all your posts super pretentious? You seem miserable as ****

Stop quoting me, I don't care what you have to say.

[EliteSmarts]

Don't worry man, I have a doctorate and I didn't even spell her name right. We are the same. Moral of the story: education is a sham

Well, it's Dr. RefFromHell from now on. What did you study?

industrial engineering, with an aerospace focus!

Whats your thoughts on Space X and Blue Orgin? You think Space Travel will be a reality in 30-40 years? I think it's going to happen in 2050 or 2060s but you're the expert here!

[Raps in 4]

Well, it's Dr. RefFromHell from now on. What did you study?

industrial engineering, with an aerospace focus!

Ah one of those easy-to-get PhD's.

Wow man, that is impressive as hell. My wife is in PhD4 of a Psyche degree. It has beaten and battered her and there isn't much left. I'm honestly not sure I should continue to encourage her.

Mine has been dragging on forever too (COVID really **** things up for me). I wish I had someone encouraging me because encouraging myself isn't working. I'd say keep encouraging her. If she's gotten this far, it would be a shame to not cross the finish line.

[rafterman]

Don't worry man, I have a doctorate and I didn't even spell her name right. We are the same. Moral of the story: education is a sham

Well, it's Dr. RefFromHell from now on. What did you study?

industrial engineering, with an aerospace focus!

That's nice, but it's not exactly rocket science.

[DreamTeam09]

It's on Flynn to produce in little minutes, big minutes, short leash or a long one. He has no1 to blame but himself. We have guys on the team who can all play the guard spots. He'll we have bigs playing the guard spots.

Come in, hit your shots, be aggressive and smart. Simple

[Kingsway_fan]

Frank Isola saying that they shouldn't call 3 seconds violation in the fourth is a pretty dumb take. yeah let's not follow the rules allow teams to just stay in the lane during crunch time.

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Not watching but .. what an ugly pos...

[C_Money]

That should be it for Banton. G League and garbage time minutes from here on out.

[LarrySeinfeld]

I hate this. Of course he won't look good when he's looking over his shoulder after every mistake and then picking up DNP-CDs every other game.

Lol. You really never noticed he can't play well coming off the bench? Like not once in the last 20 tries?

It's like boogie got a second account?

Why are all your posts super pretentious? You seem miserable as ****

Stop quoting me, I don't care what you have to say.

It took Fred 5 years to get a starting spot on an NBA team like the raptors after playing through those same G league stints and DNP's working his way up to a championship. It's the NBA man teams aren't giving away minutes like it's charity. He got his chances, multiple one's, he didn't perform like people expected him too. So he had to sit. He got another chance and this time he made something of it. Once Fred comes back he's not going to be given minutes like that again. He'll have to find a way to contribute and impact the game in shorter stints off the bench. Let's hope that this time he can.

[Tha Cynic]

I’d have to guess many of you read stat sheets instead of watching games cause how can anyone say Flynn got them into half court sets. I saw possessions where pascal of all people had to direct traffic and get Flynn to hurry up. He can drive and kick like most guards but his poor first step is an issue. Playing the nets with the roster they trotted out masks what Flynn really is and that’s a 3rd string point guard. FO has to address the backcourt they need some athleticism there.

Huh? He has a natural ability to get past his defender. He has natural PG skills that can't be taught at this age, and something no one else on this team has. The issue he has is confidence. I agree with him not being ready to run a team. The guy hasn't really played enough to develop that, but he can definitely run PG plays in a more traditional way better than anyone else on the team. And no, that does not mean i think he's the best PG on the team.

[dukes_wild]

Lol. You really never noticed he can't play well coming off the bench? Like not once in the last 20 tries?

It's like boogie got a second account?

Why are all your posts super pretentious? You seem miserable as ****

Stop quoting me, I don't care what you have to say.

It took Fred 5 years to get a starting spot on an NBA team like the raptors after playing through those same G league stints and DNP's working his way up to a championship. It's the NBA man teams aren't giving away minutes like it's charity. He got his chances, multiple one's, he didn't perform like people expected him too. So he had to sit. He got another chance and this time he made something of it. Once Fred comes back he's not going to be given minutes like that again. He'll have to find a way to contribute and impact the game in shorter stints off the bench. Let's hope that this time he can.

I disagree that Flynn "got his chance", at least not this season.

Getting thrown into garbage time minutes, or a 9 minute game off the bench and then getting a DNP-CD the game after is not "giving a guy a chance". 10 of his first 12 games this season were single digit minutes. Not including these 2 games against the Nets, his only other start this season was against a completely healthy Sixers team while we were decimated with injuries.

Just look at his game log, man. 80% of his games are like 4-9 minutes, at least half of which are blowouts. And the odd game that he played 15-20+ minutes was almost always followed up with either a DNP-CD or again, 4 minutes.

The VanVleet comparison is not good. His situation was completely different. Also it didn't take him 5 years to become a starter, he was a full time starter since opening day on his 3rd season. Fred's first 2 years were on much more established rosters that were putting up 50-55 win seasons. His rookie year the Raptors were stacked at the point guard position, and then by year 2 he was already being given consistent backup minutes and closing some games. Not saying that was just given to him, he clearly earned it, but he was given the chance to earn those minutes. Compare Fred's sophomore year's game log to Flynn's. Do you notice the difference? WAY more consistency in his playing time which allows a young player to play with confidence because he knows his job is safe as long as he performs the way he should.

There's no excuse for not playing Flynn, especially this season. Even when Fred is back, Flynn should clearly be a 15-20 minute per game guy, EVERY NIGHT. No more DNP-CDs, no more 7 man rosters of 5 starters + Thad and Precious. We aren't a good enough team to do that.

[Parataxis]

Getting thrown into garbage time minutes, or a 9 minute game off the bench and then getting a DNP-CD the game after is not "giving a guy a chance". 10 of his first 12 games this season were single digit minutes. Not including these 2 games against the Nets, his only other start this season was against a completely healthy Sixers team while we were decimated with injuries.

Just look at his game log, man. 80% of his games are like 4-9 minutes, at least half of which are blowouts. And the odd game that he played 15-20+ minutes was almost always followed up with either a DNP-CD or again, 4 minutes.

That's literally what getting a chance looks like.

Perform well in garbage time, get spot bench minutes. Perform well in spot bench minutes, get rotation minutes. Perform well there, get starter minutes. Work your way up, and prove it each time.

But if you're crapping the bed in garbage time (and in the G-league) why would they look at that and give you HIGHER leverage situations?

[dukes_wild]

Getting thrown into garbage time minutes, or a 9 minute game off the bench and then getting a DNP-CD the game after is not "giving a guy a chance". 10 of his first 12 games this season were single digit minutes. Not including these 2 games against the Nets, his only other start this season was against a completely healthy Sixers team while we were decimated with injuries.

Just look at his game log, man. 80% of his games are like 4-9 minutes, at least half of which are blowouts. And the odd game that he played 15-20+ minutes was almost always followed up with either a DNP-CD or again, 4 minutes.

That's literally what getting a chance looks like.

Perform well in garbage time, get spot bench minutes. Perform well in spot bench minutes, get rotation minutes. Perform well there, get starter minutes. Work your way up, and prove it each time.

But if you're crapping the bed in garbage time (and in the G-league) why would they look at that and give you HIGHER leverage situations?

Except garbage time and G-League are terrible ways to evaluate players, especially the former.

The Raptors drafted Flynn with their FRP in 2020, we only have 2 guards in our regular rotation (FVV/Trent), only one of who can actually handle the ball and run any semblance of half court offense. There is no reason not to play Flynn. Boucher has looked absolutely dreadful and he's still playing 15+ every single night. Khem Birch has been even worse and he's starting games right now.

The Memphis Grizzlies glued rookie Lowry to the bench, and then in Year 2 they started giving him consistent bench minutes. He looked pretty bad at first but they stuck with it and he ended up being one of their lone bright spots in a terrible season and got better as he played more games every night.

This is how you develop young talent. You don't glue their ass to the bench, play them in garbage time in games that don't matter, send them to the G-League and expect them to exponentially grow as players. You learn by playing.

People need to stop acting like 7 minutes per game in already decided games mean anything.

[Ref_from_hell]

Well, it's Dr. RefFromHell from now on. What did you study?

industrial engineering, with an aerospace focus!

Whats your thoughts on Space X and Blue Orgin? You think Space Travel will be a reality in 30-40 years? I think it's going to happen in 2050 or 2060s but you're the expert here!

I'd say a Mars mission in the 2040s. NASA is aiming for the 2030s, but you can never really trust them. With respect to those companies, I have more trust in them compared to NASA nowadays. If Elon Musk wants to get something done, he will get it done

[Tha Cynic]

Nurse needs to put the same amount of trust in Flynn that he gave FVV in the 2019 playoffs. It was ugly for the first 2 rounds and a half, everyone was questioning why FVV wasn't benched. Then it just clicked and he ended up playing a big role in that Championship and has been great ever since.

FVV was coming off back-to-back years where he had a high impact off the bench. He was even a finalist for 6MOY the year before the Championship run. When FVV was struggling early in the playoffs, Nurse had 2+ years of evidence that FVV can be very good.

It would make sense to do the same thing if Flynn had shown he can play at a high level, but he had maybe a dozen good games last season while he was terrible in most of the other 25-30 games where he played rotation minutes. That's not a whole lot to go off of lol. Also, with Banton playing well out of the gates, it wouldn't make sense to bench him for Flynn when he was bad to start this season.

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Flynn actually won rookie of the month in May of last year after playing like **** in the earlier part of the year. He got better as the season went on, and got better with more games. He has definitely shown a long enough stretch that he can play. FVV was given opportunities similarly when he was a younger player, maybe even more so. Flynn is in his second year with no G League reps last season. He definitely hasn't been given significant run to get his **** together this season. It took this team in general almost 3 months to get going as a team. It's not a surprise that the younger players suffered even more to get their games together.