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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3 

Post#1201 » by AirP. » Thu Mar 3, 2022 1:10 am

twix2500 wrote:
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AirP. wrote:You can find this article on MSN.

I find interesting is Spoelstra is bringing up Herro's shot attempts quality at this time of year, it's later in the season (which you'd think this would have been fixed by now) and also Oladipo is close to being back (someone Spoelstra may decide to go with over a wild shooting Herro). Spoelstra isn't talking about the number of shots Herro is taking because that's not the issue, the issue is some of those shots are wild/ridiculous shots which is basically flushing a possession down the drain or shots at a bad time allowing the other team more possessions to possibly catch up or extend a lead.

For all of Tyler Herro’s inimitable shot attempts, Spoelstra said Wednesday there are limits with the third-year guard.

“It’s about efficiency,” Spoelstra said. “It’s about making the right read. He has great instincts and a skill level for scoring. But that doesn’t mean that he just has a license to shoot anything that he wants. That’s not realistic, either.

It’s got to be about winning basketball, and efficient offensive basketball. He’s just continuing to get better with all those kinds of reads and responsibilities.”


The ability to be a very good scorer in the NBA is within Herro's grasp, but if he keeps taking crazy or ill-advised shots coaches aren't going trust him to play. I just think his mindset won't change, not saying it can't change but I lean heavily towards it won't change.

This isn't the first time this was talked about by Spoelstra, the announcers mentioned during the game in Portland that Spoelstra had a video session with Herro after the Golden State game about his shot selection, which doesn't seem to have really helped.

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No, he's going to have bad games, high volume shooters do that, but he doesn't have to take things like... 1 on 4 30 foot 3s on a fast break in the 4th quarter on a close game. You remove the ridiculous shots and his TS% and ORTG will jump to being good, I just don't know if you can take that out of his game.
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Post#1202 » by AirP. » Thu Mar 3, 2022 1:15 am

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AirP. wrote:You can find this article on MSN.

I find interesting is Spoelstra is bringing up Herro's shot attempts quality at this time of year, it's later in the season (which you'd think this would have been fixed by now) and also Oladipo is close to being back (someone Spoelstra may decide to go with over a wild shooting Herro). Spoelstra isn't talking about the number of shots Herro is taking because that's not the issue, the issue is some of those shots are wild/ridiculous shots which is basically flushing a possession down the drain or shots at a bad time allowing the other team more possessions to possibly catch up or extend a lead.

For all of Tyler Herro’s inimitable shot attempts, Spoelstra said Wednesday there are limits with the third-year guard.

“It’s about efficiency,” Spoelstra said. “It’s about making the right read. He has great instincts and a skill level for scoring. But that doesn’t mean that he just has a license to shoot anything that he wants. That’s not realistic, either.

It’s got to be about winning basketball, and efficient offensive basketball. He’s just continuing to get better with all those kinds of reads and responsibilities.”


The ability to be a very good scorer in the NBA is within Herro's grasp, but if he keeps taking crazy or ill-advised shots coaches aren't going trust him to play. I just think his mindset won't change, not saying it can't change but I lean heavily towards it won't change.

This isn't the first time this was talked about by Spoelstra, the announcers mentioned during the game in Portland that Spoelstra had a video session with Herro after the Golden State game about his shot selection, which doesn't seem to have really helped.

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Oladipo tends to be inefficient WITHOUT the ability of being a good 3 point shooter, so that's hardly something to harp on

Oh wait... there's that thing of HIM BEING A GOOD DEFENDER, he's a two-way player giving Spoelstra the ability to throw 5 good to great defenders on the court to really slow up a team. On the offensive end he's not had a coach like Spoelstra who I expect will put him in good situations. There's a reason why players seem to do better in Miami and a lot of time much worse after leaving.
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Post#1203 » by Hallstar » Thu Mar 3, 2022 2:08 am

AirP. wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
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AirP. wrote:You can find this article on MSN.

I find interesting is Spoelstra is bringing up Herro's shot attempts quality at this time of year, it's later in the season (which you'd think this would have been fixed by now) and also Oladipo is close to being back (someone Spoelstra may decide to go with over a wild shooting Herro). Spoelstra isn't talking about the number of shots Herro is taking because that's not the issue, the issue is some of those shots are wild/ridiculous shots which is basically flushing a possession down the drain or shots at a bad time allowing the other team more possessions to possibly catch up or extend a lead.



The ability to be a very good scorer in the NBA is within Herro's grasp, but if he keeps taking crazy or ill-advised shots coaches aren't going trust him to play. I just think his mindset won't change, not saying it can't change but I lean heavily towards it won't change.

This isn't the first time this was talked about by Spoelstra, the announcers mentioned during the game in Portland that Spoelstra had a video session with Herro after the Golden State game about his shot selection, which doesn't seem to have really helped.

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Oladipo tends to be inefficient WITHOUT the ability of being a good 3 point shooter, so that's hardly something to harp on

Oh wait... there's that thing of HIM BEING A GOOD DEFENDER, he's a two-way player giving Spoelstra the ability to throw 5 good to great defenders on the court to really slow up a team. On the offensive end he's not had a coach like Spoelstra who I expect will put him in good situations. There's a reason why players seem to do better in Miami and a lot of time much worse after leaving.

This isn't 1998. We're not winning games scoring 80.
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Post#1204 » by AirP. » Thu Mar 3, 2022 2:26 am

Hallstar wrote:
AirP. wrote:
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Oladipo tends to be inefficient WITHOUT the ability of being a good 3 point shooter, so that's hardly something to harp on

Oh wait... there's that thing of HIM BEING A GOOD DEFENDER, he's a two-way player giving Spoelstra the ability to throw 5 good to great defenders on the court to really slow up a team. On the offensive end he's not had a coach like Spoelstra who I expect will put him in good situations. There's a reason why players seem to do better in Miami and a lot of time much worse after leaving.

This isn't 1998. We're not winning games scoring 80.

With that defense you might be able to, you can end games with 5 strong defenders and during the game you can sprinkle in the high variance 3pt shooters for efficiency as long as their good 3pt shooters it'll even out given enough time, you want higher % scoring with defense to end games.
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Post#1205 » by somerandomdude » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:46 am

3ballbomber wrote:it's crazy how we've happened to achieve spot on top of the ladder, in spite of having key players out for significant amount of time & fans still complaining & criticising. We've managed to maximise the most out of this roster in spite of this current team not legit contenders. What more do fans want?????!!!!! You can't have the world. The offensive struggle or Duncan mustn't be too much of an issue if we're well above .500 & sitting top of the east :lol:


somerandomdude wrote:Very casual take by Ira.

WIll we win in the playoffs when one guy is logging +14mpg and giving you no production?

Our starting lineup already struggles offensively most of the time and the clear culprit is Duncan (or Spo continuing to run plays for him).

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Post#1206 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Mar 3, 2022 5:18 am

So how does a tiebreaker work with the Bucks since we tied the season series with those bums?
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Post#1207 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Mar 3, 2022 5:18 am

I’ll be spending the rest of the season not only rooting for us but rooting for whoever are playing against the bulls and Sixers. I want the 1st seed and I want the bulls at 4-5
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Post#1208 » by somerandomdude » Thu Mar 3, 2022 5:32 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:So how does a tiebreaker work with the Bucks since we tied the season series with those bums?


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Post#1209 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Mar 3, 2022 5:41 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:So how does a tiebreaker work with the Bucks since we tied the season series with those bums?


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So I think we essentially have a 4 game lead on the bucks and at least a 2.5 lead on the bulls. 2 games up on the Sixers. If bucks catch us we don’t deserve it. Bulls schedule is brutal so again if they catch us we don’t deserve it. These final 2 Philly games are huge, they could literally be the difference at the end of the season.

We have Philly Saturday after they have to play cleveland on Friday. They losing both sets of that back to back would be huge.

We have to take care of business tomorrow first though, we’re terrible on the 2nd night of back to backs.
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Post#1210 » by somerandomdude » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:06 am

We've got a bit of breathing room. The upcoming Sixers game will be huge.

Either way, I think we stay ahead of MIL or, if we tie, Bulls win their division, so it looks like we'll have the tie-breaker if we meet in the playoffs.

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Post#1211 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:12 am

somerandomdude wrote:We've got a bit of breathing room. The upcoming Sixers game will be huge.

Either way, I think we stay ahead of MIL or, if we tie, Bulls win their division, so it looks like we'll have the tie-breaker if we meet in the playoffs.

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Literally just swap the bulls with the bucks and it’s perfect imo. Nets hopefully get 7th.
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Post#1212 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:13 am

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Oh man Jimmy, we only needed one brother. Hell, Bam doesn’t have the wrap on his hand he hits another
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Post#1213 » by 3ballbomber » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:40 am

somerandomdude wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:it's crazy how we've happened to achieve spot on top of the ladder, in spite of having key players out for significant amount of time & fans still complaining & criticising. We've managed to maximise the most out of this roster in spite of this current team not legit contenders. What more do fans want?????!!!!! You can't have the world. The offensive struggle or Duncan mustn't be too much of an issue if we're well above .500 & sitting top of the east :lol:


somerandomdude wrote:Very casual take by Ira.

WIll we win in the playoffs when one guy is logging +14mpg and giving you no production?

Our starting lineup already struggles offensively most of the time and the clear culprit is Duncan (or Spo continuing to run plays for him).

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A game where our SL's slow start got us in a double digit deficit to start the game and you're acting all enlightened.


Yes you're post did age poorly. Starting lineup/Duncan offensive struggles? We scored 119pts :lol: Our Starters scored 67 of that - over half :lol: (bench - 52pts) We shot 47.7% from three - Duncan a huge part of that shooting 5 of 7 @71.4% clip :lol: :lol:

We lost to reigning champs home turf (series even). We're still first. We can't win em all. Great teams need adversities. We simply get better as a result. Keep complaining :sleep:
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Post#1214 » by somerandomdude » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:49 am

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Oh man Jimmy, we only needed one brother. Hell, Bam doesn’t have the wrap on his hand he hits another


It's such a shame we waited until about a month ago to start developing Bam (or Bam just saying "F it" and calling his own number), because these are the games where he's supposed to be our go-to option with Jimmy struggling.

I mentioned earlier that, when Shaq wasn't his dominant self, Wade was picking up the scoring slack.

We have a similar situation with Jimmy and Bam, except Bam was never developed into a scorer, so he's really behind on his development and it might come back to haunt us in the playoffs.

But we really need the torch to be passed like it was from Shaq to Wade because there's gonna be games like tonight where Jimmy just puts up a stinker and Bam has to be the one to pick up the slack.

I'd also like to see more Herro and Bam two-man games but, for some reason, we haven't even begun developing that.

For all the hype about how good our offense is, it's these things above that will decide if we win a title or not.
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Post#1215 » by somerandomdude » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:53 am

3ballbomber wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:it's crazy how we've happened to achieve spot on top of the ladder, in spite of having key players out for significant amount of time & fans still complaining & criticising. We've managed to maximise the most out of this roster in spite of this current team not legit contenders. What more do fans want?????!!!!! You can't have the world. The offensive struggle or Duncan mustn't be too much of an issue if we're well above .500 & sitting top of the east :lol:


This post aged poorly.

A game where our SL's slow start got us in a double digit deficit to start the game and you're acting all enlightened.


Yes you're post did age poorly. Starting lineup/Duncan offensive struggles? We scored 119pts :lol: Our Starters scored 67 of that - over half :lol: (bench - 52pts) We shot 47.7% from three - Duncan a huge part of that shooting 5 of 7 @71.4% clip :lol: :lol:

We lost to reigning champs home turf (series even). We're still first. We can't win em all. Great teams need adversities. We simply get better as a result. Keep complaining :sleep:

Tonight wasn't Duncan, it was Jimmy. But 95% of every other game this season, it's been Duncan.

Either way, our SL gets off to slow starts, which is the part you emphasized.

Anyway, your pretentious posts and emoji spam are really childish and off-putting, so I'm just gonna ignore you from here on out.
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Post#1216 » by 3ballbomber » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:55 am

somerandomdude wrote:
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Oh man Jimmy, we only needed one brother. Hell, Bam doesn’t have the wrap on his hand he hits another


It's such a shame we waited until a bout amonth ago to start developing Bam (or Bam just saying "F it" and calling his own number), because these are the games where he's supposed to be our go-to option with Jimmy struggling.

I mentioned earlier that, when Shaq wasn't his dominant self, Wade was picking up the scoring slack.

We have a similar situation with Jimmy and Bam, except Bam was never developed into a scorer, so he's really behind on his development and it might come back to haunt us in the playoffs.

But we really need the torch to be passed like it was from Shaq to Wade because there's gonna be games like tonight where Jimmy just puts up a stinker and Bam has to be the one to pick up the slack.

I'd also like to see more Herro and Bam two-man games but, for some reason, we haven't even begun developing that.

For all the hype about how good our offense is, it's these things above that will decide if we win a title or not.

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Post#1217 » by 3ballbomber » Thu Mar 3, 2022 7:01 am

somerandomdude wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:
somerandomdude wrote:This post aged poorly.

A game where our SL's slow start got us in a double digit deficit to start the game and you're acting all enlightened.


Yes you're post did age poorly. Starting lineup/Duncan offensive struggles? We scored 119pts :lol: Our Starters scored 67 of that - over half :lol: (bench - 52pts) We shot 47.7% from three - Duncan a huge part of that shooting 5 of 7 @71.4% clip :lol: :lol:

We lost to reigning champs home turf (series even). We're still first. We can't win em all. Great teams need adversities. We simply get better as a result. Keep complaining :sleep:

Tonight wasn't Duncan, it was Jimmy. But 95% of every other game this season, it's been Duncan.

Either way, our SL gets off to slow starts, which is the part you emphasized.

Anyway, your pretentious posts and emoji spam are really childish and off-putting, so I'm just gonna ignore you from here on out.

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3 

Post#1218 » by greg4012 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 1:59 pm

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Oh man Jimmy, we only needed one brother. Hell, Bam doesn’t have the wrap on his hand he hits another


THe mental element is huge. Bam knows the Bucks will give him the jumper. He needs to take it in rhythm like hes at practice.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3 

Post#1219 » by twix2500 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 3:30 pm

https://youtu.be/2v28fOaUG3I

Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have him come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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Post#1220 » by Hallstar » Thu Mar 3, 2022 3:43 pm

twix2500 wrote:https://youtu.be/2v28fOaUG3I

Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

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