College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[seren]

Let’s face it. Any pick that is outside a top 3 will play a minor role on this team with the current coach

[TerrenceClarke]

You have to fire Thibs to pick a Jaden IVey. You need a innovative mind for him to thrive on this squad. You have to have a coach who has the balls to run him at point. Thibs ain’t that guy.

[mpharris36]

You have to fire Thibs to pick a Jaden Ivey. You need a innovative mind for him to thrive on this squad. You have to have a coach who has the balls to run him at point. Thibs ain’t that guy.

Just promote Johnny Bryant. He helped Donovan Mitchell and is doing similar stuff with RJ.

One of Ivey's best comps is Donovan Mitchell.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If you figure out what pick Jaden Ivey will be selected, add one and that's where the Knicks will pick

[Jalen Bluntson]

Are there any top tier PGs in this draft? If we draft another PF I'll lose my mind...unless they trade Boolius Scamdle.

[WargamesX]

You have to fire Thibs to pick a Jaden IVey. You need a innovative mind for him to thrive on this squad. You have to have a coach who has the balls to run him at point. Thibs ain’t that guy.

Repeat after me…. Kenny Atkinson

[WargamesX]

Are there any top tier PGs in this draft? If we draft another PF I'll lose my mind...unless they trade Boolius Scamdle.

No not really

[Knicksfan1992]

You have to fire Thibs to pick a Jaden IVey. You need a innovative mind for him to thrive on this squad. You have to have a coach who has the balls to run him at point. Thibs ain’t that guy.

Repeat after me…. Kenny Atkinson

The Kenny Atkinson obsession on this board and with Knicks fans in general is absurd to me.. He managed one mediocre squad in Brooklyn, in a weak East, and didn't really develop anyone outside of Jarrett Allen who is much better now than he ever was under Atkinson. All he really did was let D'Lo and Dinwiddie chuck away and that was enough to scrape a .500 record. The minute he got actual talent he got oustered because he's just not that good of a coach outside of giving some freedom to young and mostly bad players to chuck on offense.

The Nets were much better with Nash who had ZERO coaching experience and Jacque Vaughn who had been a terrible HC before taking over... Should be an indictment on Kenny but for whatever reason people hold him as this holy grail of development. FOH.

I'll get flamed for it but I'd much rather have Thibs with a defined 9-10 guys who need to play to alleviate his rotation issues, then bring Kenny and his bullchit free for all offense in here...

[Deeeez Knicks]

Are there any top tier PGs in this draft? If we draft another PF I'll lose my mind...unless they trade Boolius Scamdle.

TyTy if the Knicks arent picking top 5. We can probably just pencil him given the Kentucky ties assuming the Knicks dont move up as usual.

Either way trade Randle

[DOT]

You have to fire Thibs to pick a Jaden IVey. You need a innovative mind for him to thrive on this squad. You have to have a coach who has the balls to run him at point. Thibs ain’t that guy.

Repeat after me…. Kenny Atkinson

The Kenny Atkinson obsession on this board and with Knicks fans in general is absurd to me.. He managed one mediocre squad in Brooklyn, in a weak East, and didn't really develop anyone outside of Jarrett Allen who is much better now than he ever was under Atkinson. All he really did was let D'Lo and Dinwiddie chuck away and that was enough to scrape a .500 record. The minute he got actual talent he got oustered because he's just not that good of a coach outside of giving some freedom to young and mostly bad players to chuck on offense.

The Nets were much better with Nash who had ZERO coaching experience and Jacque Vaughn who had been a terrible HC before taking over... Should be an indictment on Kenny but for whatever reason people hold him as this holy grail of development. FOH.

I'll get flamed for it but I'd much rather have Thibs with a defined 9-10 guys who need to play to alleviate his rotation issues, then bring Kenny and his bullchit free for all offense in here...

Managing a .500 record with, in your own words, no actual talent makes you a bad coach?

Also, you act like Nash had the same team as Atkinson when that's objectively not true. KD missed Atkinson's entire last season, and came back for Nash's first, plus they traded for Harden Nash's first year. Despite them only playing half the season, I think both of those had a much bigger effect than coaching

You can say you don't want Atkinson, but these arguments are kinda ridiculous, it makes it sound like you just don't like him for unrelated reasons.

[Spree2Houston]

From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.

[Jay10]

If you figure out what pick Jaden Ivey will be selected, add one and that's where the Knicks will pick

the way the league likes it.

If it's a top 2 draft the league will give the Knicks the 3rd pick.

are there any rumors of disgruntled star players? I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers moved up in the draft, since the league knows the pick is going end up elsewhere, the same way the league moved them up in the draft knowing the pick was going to be added to the anthony davis trade.

[Knicksfan1992]

Repeat after me…. Kenny Atkinson

The Kenny Atkinson obsession on this board and with Knicks fans in general is absurd to me.. He managed one mediocre squad in Brooklyn, in a weak East, and didn't really develop anyone outside of Jarrett Allen who is much better now than he ever was under Atkinson. All he really did was let D'Lo and Dinwiddie chuck away and that was enough to scrape a .500 record. The minute he got actual talent he got oustered because he's just not that good of a coach outside of giving some freedom to young and mostly bad players to chuck on offense.

The Nets were much better with Nash who had ZERO coaching experience and Jacque Vaughn who had been a terrible HC before taking over... Should be an indictment on Kenny but for whatever reason people hold him as this holy grail of development. FOH.

I'll get flamed for it but I'd much rather have Thibs with a defined 9-10 guys who need to play to alleviate his rotation issues, then bring Kenny and his bullchit free for all offense in here...

Managing a .500 record with, in your own words, no actual talent makes you a bad coach?

Also, you act like Nash had the same team as Atkinson when that's objectively not true. KD missed Atkinson's entire last season, and came back for Nash's first, plus they traded for Harden Nash's first year. I think both of those had a much bigger effect than coaching

You can say you don't want Atkinson, but these arguments are kinda ridiculous, it makes it sound like you just don't like him for unrelated reasons.

East was incredibly weak that season... Look at the records at the bottom of the conference compared to the West. He gets all these laudits as a development guy but who did he actually develop? I guess you can attribute D'Lo's resurgence to him, but D'Lo has become a more efficient scorer and better defender since he left Atkinson. Dinwiddie is probably his crown jewel of development and he's turned into an OK player I guess. LeVert 's numbers have pretty much stayed the same his entire career with just more opportunity and you could argue his best stretch of play came with Vaughn and Nash as coaches not Atkinson.

Fun fact - The year after he basically swapped D'Lo with Kyrie and Durant was sitting out, the Nets were 8-12 with Kyrie and largely the same roster...Vaughn finished that same season 7-3 without Kyrie.

He just doesn't have that great of a resume IMO outside of 1 mediocre season in a weak East. I just think it would be a chit hire personally.

[Spree2Houston]

Blake Wesley is another name to keep an eye on. 6'5 combo guard with a 6'11 wingspan

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[Reign23]

If we don't move into the top 4 I hope we trade the pick. I just can't see them rotting on the bench anymore.

[DOT]

East was incredibly weak that season... Look at the records at the bottom of the conference compared to the West. He gets all these laudits as a development guy but who did he actually develop? I guess you can attribute D'Lo's resurgence to him, but D'Lo has become a more efficient scorer and better defender since he left Atkinson. Dinwiddie is probably his crown jewel of development and he's turned into an OK player I guess. LeVert 's numbers have pretty much stayed the same his entire career with just more opportunity and you could argue his best stretch of play came with Vaughn and Nash as coaches not Atkinson.

Fun fact - The year after he basically swapped D'Lo with Kyrie and Durant was sitting out, the Nets were 8-12 with Kyrie and largely the same roster...Vaughn finished that same season 7-3 without Kyrie.

He just doesn't have that great of a resume IMO outside of 1 mediocre season in a weak East. I just think it would be a chit hire personally.

"Yeah, but if we ignore all the guys who developed under him, then he didn't develop anyone"

It just seems personal at this point with you. Like the whole "a coach getting his team to play over their heads makes him bad, actually" argument

If you don't like the guy for personal reasons, just say so. But you keep trying to argue he didn't develop anyone because the guys he did develop are all role players (if you even admit anyone developed at all), while ignoring the fact that they never picked in the top 20 during his tenure. For what he was given, that's a pretty good track record

I'm not gonna say he's great or anything, but he deserves at least a chance to see if he can replicate that success, or if it was due to other factors. But pretending the Nets didn't develop more than people expected is just revisionist history.

[Deeeez Knicks]

From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.

Chet would be my #1 guy

[RHODEY]

In an ideal world, we get the #3 pick and get to choose between Paolo and Jaden Ivey. We however, do not live in one.

So, realistically we have selections 6-8:

Jonny Davis, AJ Griffin, Sheadon Sharpe, Jalen Duren

I wouldn’t mind coming out of this draft with Shaedon Sharpe. If he played this year he probably would’ve been a top 4 pick. Super talented kid.

Yeah I'd be more than fine with Sharpe. Sharpe isn't likely to play college ball this season so his value will probably be a little under the radar. He's the no.1 ranked player in his class and has a lot of talent on both ends of the floor. And since he's technically a member of the Kentucky Wildcats, that whole Kentucky connection still applies lol. Oh and he's from Canada as well (only a couple hours drive from where RJ grew up) so we may be able to have a Canadian Dynamic Duo going forward with RJ.

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"He's easy to play with (offensively). He doesn't hunt his shots (i.e. doesn't dominate or hog the ball) but he scores big points."

If they can't get Ivey or one of the top bigs, Sharpe is the next guy on the list for me. The Knicks need more potential upper tier talent and this guy has that potential after you get past the big 3 or 4.

I like him. But I don't think he drops past 6. So we' d likely have to tank to a fullest potential and hope someone doesn't pick him @5.

[Spree2Houston]

That jumpshot looks FUGLY

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[Knicksfan1992]

East was incredibly weak that season... Look at the records at the bottom of the conference compared to the West. He gets all these laudits as a development guy but who did he actually develop? I guess you can attribute D'Lo's resurgence to him, but D'Lo has become a more efficient scorer and better defender since he left Atkinson. Dinwiddie is probably his crown jewel of development and he's turned into an OK player I guess. LeVert 's numbers have pretty much stayed the same his entire career with just more opportunity and you could argue his best stretch of play came with Vaughn and Nash as coaches not Atkinson.

Fun fact - The year after he basically swapped D'Lo with Kyrie and Durant was sitting out, the Nets were 8-12 with Kyrie and largely the same roster...Vaughn finished that same season 7-3 without Kyrie.

He just doesn't have that great of a resume IMO outside of 1 mediocre season in a weak East. I just think it would be a chit hire personally.

"Yeah, but if we ignore all the guys who developed under him, then he didn't develop anyone"

It just seems personal at this point with you. Like the whole "a coach getting his team to play over their heads makes him bad, actually" argument

If you don't like the guy for personal reasons, just say so. But you keep trying to argue he didn't develop anyone because the guys he did develop are all role players (if you even admit anyone developed at all), while ignoring the fact that they never picked in the top 20 during his tenure. For what he was given, that's a pretty good track record

I'm not gonna say he's great or anything, but he deserves at least a chance to see if he can replicate that success, or if it was due to other factors. But pretending the Nets didn't develop more than people expected is just revisionist history.

You're pretty much ignoring any of my actual arguments and saying it is personal. Again what "success" did he actually have? He went 42-40 in a weak East and the rest of his seasons sucked. Did he have a great amount of talent to work with? No, not really, but when he did they immediately wanted a new coach after seeing him up close and personal... I don't understand why anyone would want a guy like that to be our coach lol. When he got an elite top 10-15 talent, he then coached the team to a below .500 record when he actually played, again, in a weak East...A noted "bad coach" in Jacque Vaughn came in on an interim basis and went 7-3 with the same roster without even having the best player on the team available.

I just genuinely don't think he's a good coach nor does he really have any development success stories. Most of the young guys they actually drafted turned out to be nothings in the league... Nothing on his resume really points to him being a successful coach, outside of a mediocre season in a bad conference. I brought up multiple examples of guys who got better after he left and you're saying i'm ignoring guys he actually developed... I even conceded that Dinwiddie was a development success. Like what are you talking about?