The Official Ben 10 Simmons Thread

[Prokorov]

Simmons is in shape. We know this.

Its been reported he was working out this whole time. Staying ready. I don't believe at all hes not in basketball shape.

Hes choosing not to play for mental reasons. But he needs to get over it!

Kyrie was in shape too and we still made him ramp up prior to the covid case which delayed it further.

our performance team would do well to be a bit less conservatives with non-injury situations to in prime 25-29 year old players.

"just get over" mental reasons is a bit ignorant. that is like saying "just get over your torn acl and play". its not something you can just ignore and play.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Simmons is in shape. We know this.

Its been reported he was working out this whole time. Staying ready. I don't believe at all hes not in basketball shape.

Hes choosing not to play for mental reasons. But he needs to get over it!

Kyrie was in shape too and we still made him ramp up prior to the covid case which delayed it further.

our performance team would do well to be a bit less conservatives with non-injury situations to in prime 25-29 year old players.

"just get over" mental reasons is a bit ignorant. that is like saying "just get over your torn acl and play". its not something you can just ignore and play.

Ramping up doesn't take this long.

Harden was 10 lbs overweight and ramped up in a week

Please don't compare Ben's mental issues to a torn ACL. Dude got his way. Hes out of Philly. Your getting paid to play basketball.

[Prokorov]

Simmons is in shape. We know this.

Its been reported he was working out this whole time. Staying ready. I don't believe at all hes not in basketball shape.

Hes choosing not to play for mental reasons. But he needs to get over it!

Kyrie was in shape too and we still made him ramp up prior to the covid case which delayed it further.

our performance team would do well to be a bit less conservatives with non-injury situations to in prime 25-29 year old players.

"just get over" mental reasons is a bit ignorant. that is like saying "just get over your torn acl and play". its not something you can just ignore and play.

Ramping up doesn't take this long.

Harden was 10 lbs overweight and ramped up in a week

Please don't compare Ben's mental issues to a torn ACL. Dude got his way. Hes out of Philly. Your getting paid to play basketball.

Your getting paid to play basketball with a torn ACL too.

Mental issues can be 100 times more series then physical. and can result in things like suicide or crippling soical anxiety disorder. very ignorant to say just play.

Ramp up is too long, i agree, training and performance team has proven to be trash. guys seem held out to long and still get hurt.

[bubonicphoniks]

Kyrie was in shape too and we still made him ramp up prior to the covid case which delayed it further.

our performance team would do well to be a bit less conservatives with non-injury situations to in prime 25-29 year old players.

"just get over" mental reasons is a bit ignorant. that is like saying "just get over your torn acl and play". its not something you can just ignore and play.

Ramping up doesn't take this long.

Harden was 10 lbs overweight and ramped up in a week

Please don't compare Ben's mental issues to a torn ACL. Dude got his way. Hes out of Philly. Your getting paid to play basketball.

Your getting paid to play basketball with a torn ACL too.

Mental issues can be 100 times more series then physical. and can result in things like suicide or crippling soical anxiety disorder. very ignorant to say just play.

Ramp up is too long, i agree, training and performance team has proven to be trash. guys seem held out to long and still get hurt.

Its not ignorant to say that. If he can't do the job he should stop accepting payments. He is being paid for a service that he is not performing. If he can't do it thats fine, but you can't have it both ways.

[bargara]

Ramping up doesn't take this long.

Harden was 10 lbs overweight and ramped up in a week

Please don't compare Ben's mental issues to a torn ACL. Dude got his way. Hes out of Philly. Your getting paid to play basketball.

Your getting paid to play basketball with a torn ACL too.

Mental issues can be 100 times more series then physical. and can result in things like suicide or crippling soical anxiety disorder. very ignorant to say just play.

Ramp up is too long, i agree, training and performance team has proven to be trash. guys seem held out to long and still get hurt.

Its not ignorant to say that. If he can't do the job he should stop accepting payments. He is being paid for a service that he is not performing. If he can't do it thats fine, but you can't have it both ways.

Simmons has had back issues for years

It’s nothing serious but requires management

[Taikuri]

Hes choosing not to play for mental reasons. But he needs to get over it!

He needs to get over his ex BFF Embiiid and understand that his new BFF is Durant or Kyrie. Once he does that he will play.

[MrDollarBills]

If you've never suffered from anxiety disorders or depression, you really have no comprehension about what it can do to someone. I'd rather work my way back from a torn ACL over having severe anxiety disorder and having panic attacks during a professional basketball game. Kevin Love had a similar issue and thought he was going to die during a game. It can get that bad, but if you've never dealt with things like that I can understand why someone would say oh he should just suck it up and play. But it's not that simple.

I fully believe that the team and Ben agreed it would be best to not have him play on March 10th. The Nets aren't very forthcoming with player statuses and injuries, so I really don't know what else to think. I think they are avoiding that game and want Ben to play without the extra stress that will come from that hostile environment.

However, I am disappointed that he is not ready to play yet and I do think that his conditioning had to have been poor if he isn't even doing 5 on 5 work. Time is running out for this team. But I am not going to blame him for our downfall. That wheel was set in motion months ago.

the Nets also need to hire some new PR people because the messaging has been terrible and they are letting people like Windhorst dictate what is happening. At some point the Nets need to start being transparent about what is happening because fans are upset and rightfully so.

[TheNetsFan]

If you've never suffered from anxiety disorders or depression, you really have no comprehension about what it can do to someone. I'd rather work my way back from a torn ACL over having severe anxiety disorder and having panic attacks during a professional basketball game. Kevin Love had a similar issue and thought he was going to die during a game. It can get that bad, but if you've never dealt with things like that I can understand why someone would say oh he should just suck it up and play. But it's not that simple.

I fully believe that the team and Ben agreed it would be best to not have him play on March 10th. The Nets aren't very forthcoming with player statuses and injuries, so I really don't know what else to think. I think they are avoiding that game and want Ben to play without the extra stress that will come from that hostile environment.

However, I am disappointed that he is not ready to play yet and I do think that his conditioning had to have been poor if he isn't even doing 5 on 5 work. Time is running out for this team. But I am not going to blame him for our downfall. That wheel was set in motion months ago.

the Nets also need to hire some new PR people because the messaging has been terrible and they are letting people like Windhorst dictate what is happening. At some point the Nets need to start being transparent about what is happening because fans are upset and rightfully so.

Personally, I would think the team would want him to play March 10. You don't want his first potential return to Philly to be in the playoffs. I think his back is a legitimate concern.

[Prokorov]

Ramping up doesn't take this long.

Harden was 10 lbs overweight and ramped up in a week

Please don't compare Ben's mental issues to a torn ACL. Dude got his way. Hes out of Philly. Your getting paid to play basketball.

Your getting paid to play basketball with a torn ACL too.

Mental issues can be 100 times more series then physical. and can result in things like suicide or crippling soical anxiety disorder. very ignorant to say just play.

Ramp up is too long, i agree, training and performance team has proven to be trash. guys seem held out to long and still get hurt.

Its not ignorant to say that. If he can't do the job he should stop accepting payments. He is being paid for a service that he is not performing. If he can't do it thats fine, but you can't have it both ways.

NBA contracts are guaranteed against health. He has every right to be paid while he is out getting himself healthy. It is part of the CBA that the players and teams both agreed to.

No one should have to work if they aren't healthy.

[Prokorov]

If you've never suffered from anxiety disorders or depression, you really have no comprehension about what it can do to someone. I'd rather work my way back from a torn ACL over having severe anxiety disorder and having panic attacks during a professional basketball game. Kevin Love had a similar issue and thought he was going to die during a game. It can get that bad, but if you've never dealt with things like that I can understand why someone would say oh he should just suck it up and play. But it's not that simple.

I fully believe that the team and Ben agreed it would be best to not have him play on March 10th. The Nets aren't very forthcoming with player statuses and injuries, so I really don't know what else to think. I think they are avoiding that game and want Ben to play without the extra stress that will come from that hostile environment.

However, I am disappointed that he is not ready to play yet and I do think that his conditioning had to have been poor if he isn't even doing 5 on 5 work. Time is running out for this team. But I am not going to blame him for our downfall. That wheel was set in motion months ago.

the Nets also need to hire some new PR people because the messaging has been terrible and they are letting people like Windhorst dictate what is happening. At some point the Nets need to start being transparent about what is happening because fans are upset and rightfully so.

Agree on all counts, specifically:

1) Mental health is real and can be crippling and for years has been Taboo. Thankfully it is now recognized as the major health issue it really is.

2) This is a prexsiting condition for Ben. Marks new the deal coming in. its not like he got here and decided he doesnt want to play. Marks knew it was a process to get him on the floor. Ben si 25, we want him for the next 8 years, not the next 8 weeks.

3) A BILLION percent agree. Nets marketing/PR has been trash this year. Marks has consistently counted chickens before they hatched and made unnecessary public statements to set expectations that blew up in his face. Their lack of transperancy is way over the top and makes belicheck look like a blabber mouth. and Windy just dumped all over him constantly.

maybe thats why that VP left...? someone isnt getting it done from a communication/marketing perspective.

[Prokorov]

If you've never suffered from anxiety disorders or depression, you really have no comprehension about what it can do to someone. I'd rather work my way back from a torn ACL over having severe anxiety disorder and having panic attacks during a professional basketball game. Kevin Love had a similar issue and thought he was going to die during a game. It can get that bad, but if you've never dealt with things like that I can understand why someone would say oh he should just suck it up and play. But it's not that simple.

I fully believe that the team and Ben agreed it would be best to not have him play on March 10th. The Nets aren't very forthcoming with player statuses and injuries, so I really don't know what else to think. I think they are avoiding that game and want Ben to play without the extra stress that will come from that hostile environment.

However, I am disappointed that he is not ready to play yet and I do think that his conditioning had to have been poor if he isn't even doing 5 on 5 work. Time is running out for this team. But I am not going to blame him for our downfall. That wheel was set in motion months ago.

the Nets also need to hire some new PR people because the messaging has been terrible and they are letting people like Windhorst dictate what is happening. At some point the Nets need to start being transparent about what is happening because fans are upset and rightfully so.

Personally, I would think the team would want him to play March 10. You don't want his first potential return to Philly to be in the playoffs. I think his back is a legitimate concern.

Its hard to now. if Ben/Klutch is like "its not healthy, we dont want to do that this early, we want to get off on the wrong foot, not disctrations" i can see that for sure.

if we get them in the playoffs we get them, but getting back to a good place is the goal first

thats reasonable too

[MrDollarBills]

If you've never suffered from anxiety disorders or depression, you really have no comprehension about what it can do to someone. I'd rather work my way back from a torn ACL over having severe anxiety disorder and having panic attacks during a professional basketball game. Kevin Love had a similar issue and thought he was going to die during a game. It can get that bad, but if you've never dealt with things like that I can understand why someone would say oh he should just suck it up and play. But it's not that simple.

I fully believe that the team and Ben agreed it would be best to not have him play on March 10th. The Nets aren't very forthcoming with player statuses and injuries, so I really don't know what else to think. I think they are avoiding that game and want Ben to play without the extra stress that will come from that hostile environment.

However, I am disappointed that he is not ready to play yet and I do think that his conditioning had to have been poor if he isn't even doing 5 on 5 work. Time is running out for this team. But I am not going to blame him for our downfall. That wheel was set in motion months ago.

the Nets also need to hire some new PR people because the messaging has been terrible and they are letting people like Windhorst dictate what is happening. At some point the Nets need to start being transparent about what is happening because fans are upset and rightfully so.

Agree on all counts, specifically:

1) Mental health is real and can be crippling and for years has been Taboo. Thankfully it is now recognized as the major health issue it really is.

2) This is a prexsiting condition for Ben. Marks new the deal coming in. its not like he got here and decided he doesnt want to play. Marks knew it was a process to get him on the floor. Ben si 25, we want him for the next 8 years, not the next 8 weeks.

3) A BILLION percent agree. Nets marketing/PR has been trash this year. Marks has consistently counted chickens before they hatched and made unnecessary public statements to set expectations that blew up in his face. Their lack of transperancy is way over the top and makes belicheck look like a blabber mouth. and Windy just dumped all over him constantly.

maybe thats why that VP left...? someone isnt getting it done from a communication/marketing perspective.

Marks said today Ben tweaked his back and is getting ready to start team work next week so i'll take him at his word. But the messaging has been really bad this season.

All I ask is for simple transparency. Don't leave fans guessing and then giving an opening for tools like Windhorst to establish a narrative.

[MrDollarBills]

If you've never suffered from anxiety disorders or depression, you really have no comprehension about what it can do to someone. I'd rather work my way back from a torn ACL over having severe anxiety disorder and having panic attacks during a professional basketball game. Kevin Love had a similar issue and thought he was going to die during a game. It can get that bad, but if you've never dealt with things like that I can understand why someone would say oh he should just suck it up and play. But it's not that simple.

I fully believe that the team and Ben agreed it would be best to not have him play on March 10th. The Nets aren't very forthcoming with player statuses and injuries, so I really don't know what else to think. I think they are avoiding that game and want Ben to play without the extra stress that will come from that hostile environment.

However, I am disappointed that he is not ready to play yet and I do think that his conditioning had to have been poor if he isn't even doing 5 on 5 work. Time is running out for this team. But I am not going to blame him for our downfall. That wheel was set in motion months ago.

the Nets also need to hire some new PR people because the messaging has been terrible and they are letting people like Windhorst dictate what is happening. At some point the Nets need to start being transparent about what is happening because fans are upset and rightfully so.

Personally, I would think the team would want him to play March 10. You don't want his first potential return to Philly to be in the playoffs. I think his back is a legitimate concern.

Its hard to now. if Ben/Klutch is like "its not healthy, we dont want to do that this early, we want to get off on the wrong foot, not disctrations" i can see that for sure.

if we get them in the playoffs we get them, but getting back to a good place is the goal first

thats reasonable too

I have no issue with Ben skipping the 10th if that is his first game back. But he will have to face the fire from Philly fans eventually.

And you know what will shut them up? Beating them. If we have our full team intact we can beat them. Winning is the best medicine, no pun intended.

[raduray]

How much longer do we have to wait until Simmons makes his debut? It's taking so long that I had to come here and make my first post on Brooklyn board lol.

So now the Nets have two head cases, Kyrie and Ben.

[Revived]

How much longer do we have to wait until Simmons makes his debut? It's taking so long that I had to come here and make my first post on Brooklyn board lol.

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[Hello Brooklyn]

Simmons is a fraud.

He acted like he was ready to play this season and just needed a few weeks.

Not the case. Hes still not even practicing or making any serious attempt to get back on the court.

This after not playing for a year. In no way is he ready to play in a playoff run for a title contender.

If the Nets were intent on trading Harden I would have rather flipped him for Haliburton, Hield etc.

This guy is useless.

[CalamityX12]

We need Simmons to play to win the chip for sure... considering everything else we've handicapped ourselves with, we need his ability to play at a high level at his role.

If he thinks he can dodge us all season to save his money from philly, he can f himself with BKN Ben Simmons Bobblehead doll once it comes out... lol

but hopefully news turns for the better but idk, it may be more about the $ than anything for him.

[gigantes]

Simmons is a fraud.

He acted like he was ready to play this season and just needed a few weeks...

Narcissist much?

Back issues are no joke, and we already knew Simmons had other problems to deal with when we traded for him.

Anyway, Nash said Simmons is actively getting treatment with his back stuff and expects to progress this week with the ramp up. If that wasn't true, then such a statement would only put unwanted pressure on Ben, which seems very, very unlikely to me as a Nets strategy.

Also, if he had decided to just dog it for the rest of the season, you wouldn't expect to see him with the team, like we have. Attending the Philly game was especially key, and he has to feel great about how that all turned out. Thank you KD and Kyrie for your excellent words before and after the game, plus of course your game performances.

I expect Simmons to be back somewhere between the last weeks of the season to the playoffs. After that, fans can start whining about his shot, or whatever else they want to complain about.

[Prokorov]

Regardless of when he plays 1 thing is clear:

1) the nets need to fire whoever is in chart of PR/Marketing/ETC
2) The nets need to pay/bring in someone who is good at that.

This is NY. its a huge market. we have megastars. we look like morons constantly. marks says things definitely and then it doesn't happen. Nash is shown to clearly be lying/covering things up. Injuries/timeines are a complete crap show.

[gigantes]

Regardless of when he plays 1 thing is clear:

1) the nets need to fire whoever is in chart of PR/Marketing/ETC
2) The nets need to pay/bring in someone who is good at that.

This is NY. its a huge market. we have megastars. we look like morons constantly. marks says things definitely and then it doesn't happen. Nash is shown to clearly be lying/covering things up. Injuries/timeines are a complete crap show.

What specific examples do you have in mind?

Marks is typically super-cagey about timelines & predictions, so in general I'm not sure what you mean.

Also, being 'super confident' about something doesn't mean that Nash or Marks lied to you if it didn't happen.

Yes, I'm all for raking these guys over the coals where applicable, but make it applicable, pls. Not just some random bag of vague accusations.

Also, I thought that to most Big Applers, The Nets are pretty much just one out of a BIG MIX of things to care about, and pretty much the new kid on the block, at that. Most N'Yawkuhs already have their decades-long associations with... what? Giants / Jets / Mets / Yanks / Knicks / Rangers / Islanders and whatnot.

Could it be that most of this 'tension' is just in your mind?