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Re: College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45 

Post#701 » by WargamesX » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:09 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:Are there any top tier PGs in this draft? If we draft another PF I'll lose my mind...unless they trade Boolius Scamdle.


TyTy if the Knicks arent picking top 5. We can probably just pencil him given the Kentucky ties assuming the Knicks dont move up as usual.

Either way trade Randle


The only good news is odds are the Knicks will have their pick of guys TyTy, Dyson, Montero, JD, and Chandler should all be on the board at 8. Some of those guys don’t pop now but it’s early. Giddey and Wagner were mocked in the late teens and when the draft came went top 10 for a reason. If any of those guys are a good PG the Knicks will have a chance at them.
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Post#702 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:20 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.



Viewing RJ as a future "Pippen" to a number 1's Michael I would go

1) Paolo
2) Jaden
3) Shaeden
4) Chet
5) Jabari

I think Chet more likely projects as a stretch 5 rim protecting big. I think his ceiling is less likely to occur then most of the other "top 4". Looking at Shaeden's jumper and comfort shooting off the dribble mixed with his athleticism, it's easy to envision him becoming a scoring machine a la Lavine/Beal/Booker. Jabari screams elite role player to me. Not a bad pick. But I'd rather gamble on the others if we're just taking RJ's development into account.

Paolo I think is the most refined 3 level scorer in this draft. People are really overthinking it with him IMO. He's got almost identical numbers to Tatum coming out. Similar high release smooth jumper that's going to be damn near impossible to contest with his length and height. Comfort moving in his frame and body at that size cannot be ignored IMO. I'm very high on Paolo. I think I'm ready to lock him in as my number 1.

Jaden can be a dynamo at the next level. Just so overwhelming as an athlete. Basically, the reasoning for having him as 2 is gambling that his jumper becomes legit and defensively he should become good at the next level. Pairing an explosive dynamo of a guard with RJ's more methodical approach could be devastating IMO
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Post#703 » by WargamesX » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:27 pm

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The Kenny Atkinson obsession on this board and with Knicks fans in general is absurd to me.. He managed one mediocre squad in Brooklyn, in a weak East, and didn't really develop anyone outside of Jarrett Allen who is much better now than he ever was under Atkinson. All he really did was let D'Lo and Dinwiddie chuck away and that was enough to scrape a .500 record. The minute he got actual talent he got oustered because he's just not that good of a coach outside of giving some freedom to young and mostly bad players to chuck on offense.

The Nets were much better with Nash who had ZERO coaching experience and Jacque Vaughn who had been a terrible HC before taking over... Should be an indictment on Kenny but for whatever reason people hold him as this holy grail of development. FOH.

I'll get flamed for it but I'd much rather have Thibs with a defined 9-10 guys who need to play to alleviate his rotation issues, then bring Kenny and his bullchit free for all offense in here...

Managing a .500 record with, in your own words, no actual talent makes you a bad coach?

Also, you act like Nash had the same team as Atkinson when that's objectively not true. KD missed Atkinson's entire last season, and came back for Nash's first, plus they traded for Harden Nash's first year. I think both of those had a much bigger effect than coaching

You can say you don't want Atkinson, but these arguments are kinda ridiculous, it makes it sound like you just don't like him for unrelated reasons.


East was incredibly weak that season... Look at the records at the bottom of the conference compared to the West. He gets all these laudits as a development guy but who did he actually develop? I guess you can attribute D'Lo's resurgence to him, but D'Lo has become a more efficient scorer and better defender since he left Atkinson. Dinwiddie is probably his crown jewel of development and he's turned into an OK player I guess. LeVert 's numbers have pretty much stayed the same his entire career with just more opportunity and you could argue his best stretch of play came with Vaughn and Nash as coaches not Atkinson.

Fun fact - The year after he basically swapped D'Lo with Kyrie and Durant was sitting out, the Nets were 8-12 with Kyrie and largely the same roster...Vaughn finished that same season 7-3 without Kyrie.

He just doesn't have that great of a resume IMO outside of 1 mediocre season in a weak East. I just think it would be a chit hire personally.

Joe Harris, and Caris Levert doesn’t exist? Also D’lo is a prick (big surprise) but yes he did get his career back in order on the Nets.
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Post#704 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:32 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:Are there any top tier PGs in this draft? If we draft another PF I'll lose my mind...unless they trade Boolius Scamdle.


TyTy if the Knicks arent picking top 5. We can probably just pencil him given the Kentucky ties assuming the Knicks dont move up as usual.

Either way trade Randle


The only good news is odds are the Knicks will have their pick of guys TyTy, Dyson, Montero, JD, and Chandler should all be on the board at 8. Some of those guys don’t pop now but it’s early. Giddey and Wagner were mocked in the late teens and when the draft came went top 10 for a reason. If any of those guys are a good PG the Knicks will have a chance at them.


There will be some good options, although i do think there's a drop off after the top guys in this one. Knicks just need to find the right pick. That part can be dicey for the Knicks
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Post#705 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:47 pm

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K-DOT wrote:Managing a .500 record with, in your own words, no actual talent makes you a bad coach?

Also, you act like Nash had the same team as Atkinson when that's objectively not true. KD missed Atkinson's entire last season, and came back for Nash's first, plus they traded for Harden Nash's first year. I think both of those had a much bigger effect than coaching

You can say you don't want Atkinson, but these arguments are kinda ridiculous, it makes it sound like you just don't like him for unrelated reasons.


East was incredibly weak that season... Look at the records at the bottom of the conference compared to the West. He gets all these laudits as a development guy but who did he actually develop? I guess you can attribute D'Lo's resurgence to him, but D'Lo has become a more efficient scorer and better defender since he left Atkinson. Dinwiddie is probably his crown jewel of development and he's turned into an OK player I guess. LeVert 's numbers have pretty much stayed the same his entire career with just more opportunity and you could argue his best stretch of play came with Vaughn and Nash as coaches not Atkinson.

Fun fact - The year after he basically swapped D'Lo with Kyrie and Durant was sitting out, the Nets were 8-12 with Kyrie and largely the same roster...Vaughn finished that same season 7-3 without Kyrie.

He just doesn't have that great of a resume IMO outside of 1 mediocre season in a weak East. I just think it would be a chit hire personally.

Joe Harris, and Caris Levert doesn’t exist? Also D’lo is a prick (big surprise) but yes he did get his career back in order on the Nets.


LeVert and Harris had their best years post-Atkinson. Some of that has to do with surrounding talent, but ultimately they thrived more with a different coach, especially, LeVert in the bubble...

I'm just wondering if the people who want Kenny Atkinson also want Brett Brown who has a much better resume as a coach and as a development guy? Or basically because he got to see it through we just ignore that...Atkinson wasn't a good coach who got a pity media lovefest because basically the previous FO made a bad trade and he had 1 42-40 season with mediocre talent.
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Post#706 » by WargamesX » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:55 pm

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East was incredibly weak that season... Look at the records at the bottom of the conference compared to the West. He gets all these laudits as a development guy but who did he actually develop? I guess you can attribute D'Lo's resurgence to him, but D'Lo has become a more efficient scorer and better defender since he left Atkinson. Dinwiddie is probably his crown jewel of development and he's turned into an OK player I guess. LeVert 's numbers have pretty much stayed the same his entire career with just more opportunity and you could argue his best stretch of play came with Vaughn and Nash as coaches not Atkinson.

Fun fact - The year after he basically swapped D'Lo with Kyrie and Durant was sitting out, the Nets were 8-12 with Kyrie and largely the same roster...Vaughn finished that same season 7-3 without Kyrie.

He just doesn't have that great of a resume IMO outside of 1 mediocre season in a weak East. I just think it would be a chit hire personally.

Joe Harris, and Caris Levert doesn’t exist? Also D’lo is a prick (big surprise) but yes he did get his career back in order on the Nets.


LeVert and Harris had their best years post-Atkinson. Some of that has to do with surrounding talent, but ultimately they thrived more with a different coach, especially, LeVert in the bubble...

I'm just wondering if the people who want Kenny Atkinson also want Brett Brown who has a much better resume as a coach and as a development guy? Or basically because he got to see it through we just ignore that...Atkinson wasn't a good coach who got a pity media lovefest because basically the previous FO made a bad trade and he had 1 42-40 season with mediocre talent.

Brett Brown would be a very viable developmental coach but to the. say “those players had better seasons post Atkinson” is ignoring the fact that as a developmental coach he’s not there to see them peak, he’s there to see them develop their game novice game and become good NBA players.

We don’t need the team winning yet, we need these guys to become better. Also the main reason Atkinson deserves the love is 1) he’s coached in the very unforgiving NY market, he’s worked for Dolan before, and unlike Brown who had Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz develop. Atkinson did more with less…. A lot less
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Post#707 » by SkyMason21 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 4:55 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.



Viewing RJ as a future "Pippen" to a number 1's Michael I would go

1) Paolo
2) Jaden
3) Shaeden
4) Chet
5) Jabari

I think Chet more likely projects as a stretch 5 rim protecting big. I think his ceiling is less likely to occur then most of the other "top 4". Looking at Shaeden's jumper and comfort shooting off the dribble mixed with his athleticism, it's easy to envision him becoming a scoring machine a la Lavine/Beal/Booker. Jabari screams elite role player to me. Not a bad pick. But I'd rather gamble on the others if we're just taking RJ's development into account.

Paolo I think is the most refined 3 level scorer in this draft. People are really overthinking it with him IMO. He's got almost identical numbers to Tatum coming out. Similar high release smooth jumper that's going to be damn near impossible to contest with his length and height. Comfort moving in his frame and body at that size cannot be ignored IMO. I'm very high on Paolo. I think I'm ready to lock him in as my number 1.

Jaden can be a dynamo at the next level. Just so overwhelming as an athlete. Basically, the reasoning for having him as 2 is gambling that his jumper becomes legit and defensively he should become good at the next level. Pairing an explosive dynamo of a guard with RJ's more methodical approach could be devastating IMO


Honestly if you were looking to develop someone into a #1 option in this class I think Jabari is the guy. I agree and see the route where he just becomes an elite role player, but its really easy to see how he can become a star if his handle improves. If his jump shooting in iso stays as elite as its been in college its a wrap. And even taking RJ into account they probably compliment each others games the most, pick & pop with the two of them would be hell for teams to defend.
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Post#708 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 5:20 pm

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WargamesX wrote:Joe Harris, and Caris Levert doesn’t exist? Also D’lo is a prick (big surprise) but yes he did get his career back in order on the Nets.


LeVert and Harris had their best years post-Atkinson. Some of that has to do with surrounding talent, but ultimately they thrived more with a different coach, especially, LeVert in the bubble...

I'm just wondering if the people who want Kenny Atkinson also want Brett Brown who has a much better resume as a coach and as a development guy? Or basically because he got to see it through we just ignore that...Atkinson wasn't a good coach who got a pity media lovefest because basically the previous FO made a bad trade and he had 1 42-40 season with mediocre talent.

Brett Brown would be a very viable developmental coach but to the. say “those players had better seasons post Atkinson” is ignoring the fact that as a developmental coach he’s not there to see them peak, he’s there to see them develop their game novice game and become good NBA players.

We don’t need the team winning yet, we need these guys to become better. Also the main reason Atkinson deserves the love is 1) he’s coached in the very unforgiving NY market, he’s worked for Dolan before, and unlike Brown who had Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz develop. Atkinson did more with less…. A lot less


See your last sentence is the problem I have with people who want Atkinson... There's always this thought he did more with less and yet the Nets had countless amount of late 1sts and 2nd round guys who didn't develop and had exactly 1 good season under him. Which is all fine but let's call a spade a spade and say Atkinson isn't some development wizard that he's made out to be. It's basically Dinwiddie, LeVert, Harris and Allen and like I said earlier I don't necessarily attribute all of their development to Atkinson...But even using your standard for "development" then you have to attribute the below to Brett Brown (excluding the obviously top talent guys who he also at least deserves some credit for too):

Thaddeus Young
Jerami Grant
Robert Covington
Richaun Holmes
TJ McConnell
Dario Saric

Those are just the process years guys. I didn't even get into the other guys who came after Embiid + Simmons started playing... Point being there are countless examples of coaches who have a similar coaching + development record to Atkinson who are dismissed or not even though of as candidates, but for whatever reason people have this romance towards the post-Prokhorov Nets that weren't all that good :lol:

Atkinson got a chance with a legit all-star player in Kyrie and failed. I don't want a guy like that anywhere near the Knicks. It would be a classic over-correction hire that the Knicks have done for years that always ends up with them in the same spot eventually..
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Post#709 » by DowNY » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:00 pm

I like Ivey a lot but I think it’s a pathway to acquire a player like SGA if we end up in Ivey range.
I think we can sell OKC on turning SDA into Ivey and vet cap filler like Fournier (or expirings of Burks, Kemba & Noel).

We know SGA is close with RJ & he’s already proven, meanwhile OKC can build with Giddey & Ivey plus whoever they draft (Chet? Jabari?)

SGA - Rose
Grimes - IQ or Evan
RJ - Cam

From there, get Randle outta here.
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Post#710 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Mar 3, 2022 6:56 pm

1.Ivey
2.Chet
3.smith
4.PAOLO
5-12. Trade the pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#711 » by dukeknicksirish » Thu Mar 3, 2022 7:32 pm

DowNY wrote:I like Ivey a lot but I think it’s a pathway to acquire a player like SGA if we end up in Ivey range.
I think we can sell OKC on turning SDA into Ivey and vet cap filler like Fournier (or expirings of Burks, Kemba & Noel).

We know SGA is close with RJ & he’s already proven, meanwhile OKC can build with Giddey & Ivey plus whoever they draft (Chet? Jabari?)

SGA - Rose
Grimes - IQ or Evan
RJ - Cam

From there, get Randle outta here.


If for some reason we end up with the #3 pick and we trade #3, Fournier, Toppin, Dallas 23 for SGA

THEN trade Rose for a 1st and player to a contender

THEN we trade Randle, Rose pick, NY 23 swap, NY 24 , NY 26, IQ, Sims , Two 2nd rounders for Zion

THEN we sign Mo Bamba in FA , because Mitch leaves us and we start the season off with:

SGA / McBride
Grimes / Burks
RJ / Cam
Zion /
Bamba / Sims
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Post#712 » by dakomish23 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 7:47 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.



1) Mathurin
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4) Mathurin
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If Mathurin had decided to enter the 2021 NBA Draft, nobody would have blamed him. He easily could have gotten himself picked towards the end of the first round, but he decided to return to Tucson to work on his game. Now, Mathurin is averaging 18.4 points and 6.7 rebounds per game and looks like a lock to be selected at some point in the lottery of the 2022 NBA Draft. He has been the standout performer for a Wildcats team that looks like a legitimate threat to win a national championship in head coach Tommy Lloyd’s first year with the program.

Before this season started, we knew that Mathurin had both the size and spot-up ability to be a good guard at the next level. According to Synergy Sports (the provider of all similar numbers in this story), Mathurin scored 1.295 points per possession in spot-up opportunities last season. That put him in the 96th percentile in all of college basketball, and that’s what is considered an “excellent” rating. The guard has a nice, high release on his jumper, and he gets good lift on it as well. It’s a picture-perfect stroke and it’s nearly impossible for defenders to get their hands on it.

Mathurin was also good as a transition scorer and had the same “excellent” mark as a cutter, where he was in the 99th percentile in the nation with 1.812 points per possession. On top of that, Mathurin was sturdy as a defender, whether it was in isolation situations or defending pick-and-roll ball handlers. Mathurin is a good athlete and thinks the game at a high level, so that’s not exactly surprising.

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Mathurin was a dead-eye catch-and-shoot threat last year, but he now looks like an elite off-ball mover and has proven himself to be capable of getting his feet set in uncomfortable situations — just look at the shot he hits at around the 1:30 mark in the video above. That’s huge for his development as a prospect, as there are guys in the pros that make eight figures each year based on their abilities as movement shooters. The best NBA coaches can build elite offenses around players that can go full speed around screens and knock down shots, and Mathurin is showing scouts that he doesn’t need to be standing still to drill jumpers.

The biggest improvement in the sophomore’s game is, however, his ability to attack defenses off the bounce. Mathurin has a lot of work to do before he’s able to start punishing defenders as an isolation scorer, but the 19-year-old has become a lot more comfortable when attacking closeouts this season. Considering how good of a shooter he is, Mathurin is always going to have defenders scrambling. Now, the guard is using his above-average first step to get those defenders on his hip, which allows Mathurin to go all the way to the rim or get to his floater. The floater is a shot he has clearly worked on a lot, and it looked lethal in wins over the Michigan Wolverines and Illinois.

With Mathurin now flashing a more complete offensive game, it’s hard to find a reason for him not to be one of the top-14 picks in the draft next year. Also, by adding so much in just one summer, teams aren’t going to have to question his work ethic one bit. This is a player that listens to feedback and wants to get better.

It also shouldn’t go unnoticed that Mathurin has taken a leap as a defender this season. Whereas last year, the Canadian let up 1.025 points per possession when defending players that were spotting up, Mathurin is allowing just 0.75 points per possession in those situations this year. That’s an improvement from what Synergy Sports considers “below average” to “very good”. Meanwhile, Mathurin has also gone from “very good” to “excellent” at defending pick-and-roll ball handlers, as he’s giving up 0.278 points per possession this year, which puts him in the 96th percentile in college basketball. Last year, Mathurin gave up 0.639 points per possession, which had him in just the 71st percentile.

Mathurin projects to be an extremely reliable on-ball defender at the next level, and he has the size to cover both guards and smaller forwards. He’s also an intelligent off-ball defender, which means there’s very little to worry about with him on the defensive end.

The reality of the situation is that Mathurin would have been one of the best 3-and-D prospects in last year’s draft, and that’s exactly what he was viewed as entering his second season with the Wildcats. But the sophomore has added enough to his game to show scouts that he can be a true three-level scorer if he adds a little off-the-dribble ability to his already impressive repertoire. Considering what he’s done to make himself better, it’d be foolish to doubt that Mathurin can do that. That means that simply labeling him a 3-and-D prospect is actually insulting to him based on the player he is now. Mathurin has everything that teams are looking for out of wing prospects these days, and the right coaching staff will likely feel confident that it can turn him into a borderline All-Star. At the very least, Mathurin has what it takes to be a big part of a franchise’s young core. He plays a brand of basketball that is conducive to winning, which should strike a chord with some lucky team in the lottery.
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Post#713 » by WargamesX » Thu Mar 3, 2022 7:56 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.


1) Mathurin
2) Mathurin
3) Mathurin
4) Mathurin
5) Mathurin


Really? Please break it down, I haven’t watched a lot of Mathurin so I would like to hear your take.
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Post#714 » by dakomish23 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 7:58 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.


1) Mathurin
2) Mathurin
3) Mathurin
4) Mathurin
5) Mathurin


Really? Please break it down, I haven’t watched a lot of Mathurin so I would like to hear your take.


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Post#715 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 8:05 pm

DowNY wrote:I like Ivey a lot but I think it’s a pathway to acquire a player like SGA if we end up in Ivey range.
I think we can sell OKC on turning SDA into Ivey and vet cap filler like Fournier (or expirings of Burks, Kemba & Noel).

We know SGA is close with RJ & he’s already proven, meanwhile OKC can build with Giddey & Ivey plus whoever they draft (Chet? Jabari?)

SGA - Rose
Grimes - IQ or Evan
RJ - Cam

From there, get Randle outta here.


I think the only way the above is a possibility is if we jump OKC in the lottery or else they can just say why would we give up SGA who is still young and very good to get a guy who isn't the consensus number 1 in a weak draft? Especially, going off of this scenario, when they already have a top 4 pick in the same draft...

Also if SGA is truly available, then he could fetch way more on the open market than just Ivey and filler...You'd at the very least have to give them Grimes, another pick with him and likely a swap as well.

SGA is still only 23 and is under team control for the next 5 years. OKC has ZERO reason to trade him even if he causes a stink...
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Post#716 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Mar 3, 2022 8:06 pm

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Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.



1) Mathurin
2) Mathurin
3) Mathurin
4) Mathurin
5) Mathurin

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Last year, Bennedict Mathurin turned some heads in his freshman year at the University of Arizona. The 6-foot-6 Canadian guard averaged 10.8 points per game on 47.1% shooting from the floor and 41.8% shooting from deep, while also proving to be a reliable player on the defensive end.

If Mathurin had decided to enter the 2021 NBA Draft, nobody would have blamed him. He easily could have gotten himself picked towards the end of the first round, but he decided to return to Tucson to work on his game. Now, Mathurin is averaging 18.4 points and 6.7 rebounds per game and looks like a lock to be selected at some point in the lottery of the 2022 NBA Draft. He has been the standout performer for a Wildcats team that looks like a legitimate threat to win a national championship in head coach Tommy Lloyd’s first year with the program.

Before this season started, we knew that Mathurin had both the size and spot-up ability to be a good guard at the next level. According to Synergy Sports (the provider of all similar numbers in this story), Mathurin scored 1.295 points per possession in spot-up opportunities last season. That put him in the 96th percentile in all of college basketball, and that’s what is considered an “excellent” rating. The guard has a nice, high release on his jumper, and he gets good lift on it as well. It’s a picture-perfect stroke and it’s nearly impossible for defenders to get their hands on it.

Mathurin was also good as a transition scorer and had the same “excellent” mark as a cutter, where he was in the 99th percentile in the nation with 1.812 points per possession. On top of that, Mathurin was sturdy as a defender, whether it was in isolation situations or defending pick-and-roll ball handlers. Mathurin is a good athlete and thinks the game at a high level, so that’s not exactly surprising.

There’s a place in every NBA rotation for a player that does what Mathurin did last year, and that’s actually part of what makes the 19-year-old such an intriguing prospect: His floor is just absurdly high. However, Mathurin knew what he needed to do this season in order to show scouts that there’s more to his game, and the sophomore has done exactly that through nine games.

After an up-and-down start to the year, Mathurin has settled in and averaged 27.7 points and 7.7 rebounds per game over his last three contests. He had 30 big ones in a massive 83-79 road win over the Illinois Fighting Illini on Saturday, and his expanded game has been on full display as of late. Here are some highlights of his brilliant performance in Champaign over the weekend (video courtesy of Bleacher Report):

Mathurin was a dead-eye catch-and-shoot threat last year, but he now looks like an elite off-ball mover and has proven himself to be capable of getting his feet set in uncomfortable situations — just look at the shot he hits at around the 1:30 mark in the video above. That’s huge for his development as a prospect, as there are guys in the pros that make eight figures each year based on their abilities as movement shooters. The best NBA coaches can build elite offenses around players that can go full speed around screens and knock down shots, and Mathurin is showing scouts that he doesn’t need to be standing still to drill jumpers.

The biggest improvement in the sophomore’s game is, however, his ability to attack defenses off the bounce. Mathurin has a lot of work to do before he’s able to start punishing defenders as an isolation scorer, but the 19-year-old has become a lot more comfortable when attacking closeouts this season. Considering how good of a shooter he is, Mathurin is always going to have defenders scrambling. Now, the guard is using his above-average first step to get those defenders on his hip, which allows Mathurin to go all the way to the rim or get to his floater. The floater is a shot he has clearly worked on a lot, and it looked lethal in wins over the Michigan Wolverines and Illinois.

With Mathurin now flashing a more complete offensive game, it’s hard to find a reason for him not to be one of the top-14 picks in the draft next year. Also, by adding so much in just one summer, teams aren’t going to have to question his work ethic one bit. This is a player that listens to feedback and wants to get better.

It also shouldn’t go unnoticed that Mathurin has taken a leap as a defender this season. Whereas last year, the Canadian let up 1.025 points per possession when defending players that were spotting up, Mathurin is allowing just 0.75 points per possession in those situations this year. That’s an improvement from what Synergy Sports considers “below average” to “very good”. Meanwhile, Mathurin has also gone from “very good” to “excellent” at defending pick-and-roll ball handlers, as he’s giving up 0.278 points per possession this year, which puts him in the 96th percentile in college basketball. Last year, Mathurin gave up 0.639 points per possession, which had him in just the 71st percentile.

Mathurin projects to be an extremely reliable on-ball defender at the next level, and he has the size to cover both guards and smaller forwards. He’s also an intelligent off-ball defender, which means there’s very little to worry about with him on the defensive end.

The reality of the situation is that Mathurin would have been one of the best 3-and-D prospects in last year’s draft, and that’s exactly what he was viewed as entering his second season with the Wildcats. But the sophomore has added enough to his game to show scouts that he can be a true three-level scorer if he adds a little off-the-dribble ability to his already impressive repertoire. Considering what he’s done to make himself better, it’d be foolish to doubt that Mathurin can do that. That means that simply labeling him a 3-and-D prospect is actually insulting to him based on the player he is now. Mathurin has everything that teams are looking for out of wing prospects these days, and the right coaching staff will likely feel confident that it can turn him into a borderline All-Star. At the very least, Mathurin has what it takes to be a big part of a franchise’s young core. He plays a brand of basketball that is conducive to winning, which should strike a chord with some lucky team in the lottery.


Love this kid in that next tier of prospect after my top 5. Has great physical tools and a great looking jumper. One of the safer guys in the draft IMO with decent upside
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Post#717 » by Capn'O » Fri Mar 4, 2022 12:17 am

Is there a very good and somewhat unheralded guard in this year's draft? A Mitchell/SGA/Haliburton opportunity?
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Post#718 » by RandlesCornrows » Fri Mar 4, 2022 1:21 am

If we’re outside the top-4. I want Tyty, easily…

He reminds me of D’Angelo Russell, and Jrue Holiday.

He’s not even the primary ball handler on UK. And when he was for a game he had 17 assists. Veeery goood defensive player, can shoot the heck out of the ball. And he can play off ball.

PERFECT for RJ

Isn’t quite explosive, or has that explosive step. But he can definitely play a slow pace game.
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Post#719 » by SkyMason21 » Fri Mar 4, 2022 1:24 am

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dakomish23 wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:From the top 5 guys, who do you think would be the best running mate for RJ?

1) Jabari Smith
2) Jaden Ivey
3) Chet Holmgren
4) Paolo Banchero
5) Shaedon Sharpe

I think Smith and Holmgren would complement Rj the best.


1) Mathurin
2) Mathurin
3) Mathurin
4) Mathurin
5) Mathurin


Really? Please break it down, I haven’t watched a lot of Mathurin so I would like to hear your take.


Not as high on him as dakomish, but with his play recently I get it. Been a good to great 3pt shooter all year, good in transition, plays really well off the ball, good defensive upside (apparently hasn't been consistent but when he's locked in he's good), and what got me on board is now he's showing the ability to attack off the dribble and in p&r. If he is 6'7 (heard a rumor he might be 6'4 actually), he's got a little bit of everything you want in a wing prospect.

I was very low on him until recently, and now I'd say he's my personal 3rd favorite prospect accounting for fit with the knicks.
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Post#720 » by RandlesCornrows » Fri Mar 4, 2022 1:36 am

There’s some really good shot creators in the top 10. AJ Griffin, Paolo, Chet, Ivy, Jabari, Johnny Davis.

Getting someone like Paolo would be PERFECT for RJ because he can be that #1 option, and RJ would be the robin at the #2 option. Paolo’s comp is kinda like Carmelo. I like Smith as well for someone to be a scoring option next to RJ.

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