2022 Offseason thread

[CrimsonCrew]

Lance is good at throwing on the move. That's part of why I was so shocked we didn't roll him out basically at all against the Cardinals. We should have been rolling him out all the time. He's good at it, it reduces the reads and narrows the field, and it's easier to take off and run if the throw isn't there. Really made me consider whether Shanahan was almost sabotaging him.

[Dodub]

Lance is good at throwing on the move. That's part of why I was so shocked we didn't roll him out basically at all against the Cardinals. We should have been rolling him out all the time. He's good at it, it reduces the reads and narrows the field, and it's easier to take off and run if the throw isn't there. Really made me consider whether Shanahan was almost sabotaging him.

It’s the new NFL. That’s when Mahomes, Allen, Russ, Etc. Are their most dangerous. It’s nice to see some throws there that remind me of those players. What Lance needs to work on is the mundane, the easy stuff that Jimmy excelled at. He also needs to get more comfortable with the playbook so that he can understand which areas of the field are open. I’m sure that he will spend a great deal of his offseason working on those things.

[CrimsonCrew]

Lance is good at throwing on the move. That's part of why I was so shocked we didn't roll him out basically at all against the Cardinals. We should have been rolling him out all the time. He's good at it, it reduces the reads and narrows the field, and it's easier to take off and run if the throw isn't there. Really made me consider whether Shanahan was almost sabotaging him.

It’s the new NFL. That’s when Mahomes, Allen, Russ, Etc. Are their most dangerous. It’s nice to see some throws there that remind me of those players. What Lance needs to work on is the mundane, the easy stuff that Jimmy excelled at. He also needs to get more comfortable with the playbook so that he can understand which areas of the field are open. I’m sure that he will spend a great deal of his offseason working on those things.

Absolutely. But when thrust into a starting role before he was ready, the coaching staff should have done a better job of simplifying things and playing to his strengths. Instead, it seemed like they were trying to force him into a role that he wasn't ready for.

[Jikkle]

I find the recent narrative that Lance isn't ready an odd one.

He did start two games this past season winning won and almost winning another so it's not like we don't have anything to go by in that regard. There were definitely rough edges and rookie moments but he still was completely functional out there and he didn't show any indications that I could see that he couldn't operate the offense.

I think if you want to say he's not ready because he doesn't have the offense mastered and still rough around the edges that's completely fair and valid but the catch to that is that most of what ails him is only going to be cured by him actually playing.

It's just the catch 22 of he shouldn't play because he's not ready but he's not ready because he doesn't play.

For me this upcoming season will be mainly how improved is the Lance week 1 vs Lance week 18. I'd like to see noticeable improvements to his mechanics going into week 1 but I want to see him looking comfortable and in a groove by week 18.

I heard he'll be working with John Beck this offseason which I think is a good thing because not only will the work on mechanics but since Beck knows Shanahan and his offense it'll be work in the context of what Trey is going to be doing during the season. So I don't expect his mechanics to be perfect since I think don't know if he can clean up all his issues in one offseason but I'm hoping there will be a noticeable improvement and heading in the right direction.

The rest is just him getting actual real experience in games and growing from there. Because I felt in the games he did play he was hesitant not because he was confused but because he was second-guessing himself and that's something you iron out by playing and having confidence in what you see and letting it rip.

[Dodub]

I find the recent narrative that Lance isn't ready an odd one.

He did start two games this past season winning won and almost winning another so it's not like we don't have anything to go by in that regard. There were definitely rough edges and rookie moments but he still was completely functional out there and he didn't show any indications that I could see that he couldn't operate the offense.

I think if you want to say he's not ready because he doesn't have the offense mastered and still rough around the edges that's completely fair and valid but the catch to that is that most of what ails him is only going to be cured by him actually playing.

It's just the catch 22 of he shouldn't play because he's not ready but he's not ready because he doesn't play.

For me this upcoming season will be mainly how improved is the Lance week 1 vs Lance week 18. I'd like to see noticeable improvements to his mechanics going into week 1 but I want to see him looking comfortable and in a groove by week 18.

I heard he'll be working with John Beck this offseason which I think is a good thing because not only will the work on mechanics but since Beck knows Shanahan and his offense it'll be work in the context of what Trey is going to be doing during the season. So I don't expect his mechanics to be perfect since I think don't know if he can clean up all his issues in one offseason but I'm hoping there will be a noticeable improvement and heading in the right direction.

The rest is just him getting actual real experience in games and growing from there. Because I felt in the games he did play he was hesitant not because he was confused but because he was second-guessing himself and that's something you iron out by playing and having confidence in what you see and letting it rip.

The narrative is absolutely ridiculous for so many reasons. It’s all about clicks and content right now, people don’t have anything to talk about so they are creating content.

I ask which rookie is “ready” then? Lance looked better than Fields, Wilson and Lawrence in his limited sample size. I can 100% tell you that none of the people who are saying this about Lance, said this about any of those 3 even though Lance outplayed them.

Secondly, this is truly the first time that Lance can get a real offseason where he can get to work and reflect on the season. He will work with a private QB coach, he will watch film and get a deeper understanding of the offense. This is the natural order of QB’s in the NFL. The fact that Lance is being sent to work with one of Kyle’s former QB’s is a huge thing.

What does it even mean that he’s “not ready”? Do they mean not ready to start? If that’s what they mean they I’ll laugh in their faces. Do they mean not ready to win a Super Bowl? If so then that’s a completely different conversation. Which there are only a small handful of QB’s in the league who are “ready” to win the Super Bowl. If that’s what they mean then why hang on to Jimmy? Who not go all in on Rodgers or Brady? Jimmy isn’t ready for that either.

Nah, this is all just the trendy thing to say based on his college resume. It’s completely ridiculous and used for click bait.

[CrimsonCrew]

I find the recent narrative that Lance isn't ready an odd one.

He did start two games this past season winning won and almost winning another so it's not like we don't have anything to go by in that regard. There were definitely rough edges and rookie moments but he still was completely functional out there and he didn't show any indications that I could see that he couldn't operate the offense.

I think if you want to say he's not ready because he doesn't have the offense mastered and still rough around the edges that's completely fair and valid but the catch to that is that most of what ails him is only going to be cured by him actually playing.

It's just the catch 22 of he shouldn't play because he's not ready but he's not ready because he doesn't play.

For me this upcoming season will be mainly how improved is the Lance week 1 vs Lance week 18. I'd like to see noticeable improvements to his mechanics going into week 1 but I want to see him looking comfortable and in a groove by week 18.

I heard he'll be working with John Beck this offseason which I think is a good thing because not only will the work on mechanics but since Beck knows Shanahan and his offense it'll be work in the context of what Trey is going to be doing during the season. So I don't expect his mechanics to be perfect since I think don't know if he can clean up all his issues in one offseason but I'm hoping there will be a noticeable improvement and heading in the right direction.

The rest is just him getting actual real experience in games and growing from there. Because I felt in the games he did play he was hesitant not because he was confused but because he was second-guessing himself and that's something you iron out by playing and having confidence in what you see and letting it rip.

Yeah, it's become a real talking point, but seemingly without a ton of basis.

First and foremost, which young QBs are "ready" before they actually get out there and do it? I'm hard-pressed to think of a single guy who looked seasoned and ready to go as a first- or second-year QB. Maybe Herbert, who came out with a string of strong passing performances - though he also went 0-4 in that span, and 2-9 over the first eleven games, with his only win coming against the Jags and the Jets. Even Mahomes struggled a bit in his one start as a rookie.

Now, Lance was in some ways raw even by rookie NFL QBs. He has a single season as a starter, playing against lesser competition. But his offense was also more NFL-relatable than many, and by all accounts he's a film junkie who loves the game. He looked pretty overwhelmed in his first game, but as noted above, it was also a terrible game plan for him, relying almost entirely on pocket passing and called run plays for him. In his second start, he started rough before rebounding and playing quite well in the second half, making some impressive reads and throws.

He's now got an entire offseason of preparation to work on his mechanics and fundamentals, as well as to continue reviewing film, etc. Unlike last offseason, when he was preoccupied with the draft and then sitting behind Garoppolo, he's going to have the whole offseason as the unquestioned starter. Given that, I just don't see the relevance of saying he's not ready right now. That's not the question. The question is how close he is to being ready in six months and over the ensuing four months.

[Jikkle]

I'm glad he got in at least 2 games this past season especially one basically at the end of it so he at least has some idea of what the NFL is like and he has film that he and likely whichever people he works with in the offseason can look at and see what he can do better.

I was for starting him his rookie year but I did acknowledge that there was merit to sitting him a season and there was something to be gained from that as well. Now sitting him another year just means diminishing returns on what he can gain and at this point barring Brady becoming a 9er he needs to start. You can't avoid the ups and downs of a QB in his first and even second-year starting so the sooner you can start the process of getting the bumps out of the way the better. You can know the offense inside out but you need to operate it against a variety of defenses, defensive players, and at full speed to really be able to effectively operate it. It's like Tyson said in that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face and in football terms you might have the playbook memorized but executing it in a matter of seconds with chaos all around you is another thing.

[Jikkle]

This one has an extra Throw at the end. Who is leaking these?

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Don't be surprised if the team didn't have some hand in it because these conveniently leaked when all the is Trey ready talk started to peak.

Not saying Lynch or Shanahan are personally involved but every team and heck every major establishment has their PR people that try to spin narratives in their favor.

But if they didn't have a hand in the leaks they don't seem to mind if they are out because they shouldn't have any trouble getting Youtube and Twitter to take them down.

[CrimsonCrew]

Interesting post on cap space for all teams. Most interesting part to me is the WAR for upcoming FAs. Niners have the third-lowest number, behind only the Texans (who had a historically low WAR for their team in general) and the Bucs. A little good news, at least.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-tracker-2022-offseason-free-agency-all-32-nfl-teams-ranked-cap-space

[CrimsonCrew]

Interesting post on cap space for all teams. Most interesting part to me is the WAR for upcoming FAs. Niners have the third-lowest number, behind only the Texans (who had a historically low WAR for their team in general) and the Bucs. A little good news, at least.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-tracker-2022-offseason-free-agency-all-32-nfl-teams-ranked-cap-space

Got to admit, I'm a bit surprised TB's WAR is so low. They've got Goodwin, Gronkowski, Fournette, C Ryan Jensen, CB Carlton Davis, Suh, and Pierre-Paul up for FA, among others. A lot of those guys are at or near the top of their position in this FA pool, though several are coming off injury. And, of course, Brady's WAR was 4.7 or thereabouts.

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Can we please not start this ****? Trade him and move on

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Can we please not start this ****? Trade him and move on

The talk about keeping Jimmy is dumb because it's clear the team intends to trade him going by Jimmy's final press conference and basically the team saying they are going to do right by Jimmy.

Lance didn't get any more raw or green in a month so if they intended to keep Jimmy they would've just done it already.

As I've said before inexperience isn't cured by just plopping him on the bench another season. The only benefit to sitting him another season is he'd get one more offseason to work on his mechanics since it's unlikely he'll have everything ironed out in one offseason and he'll know the playbook better. But that doesn't change the fact he's still going to need to go out there and get the experience one way or another and I just think the sooner you take the bumps the better.

Also another factor is money. We can have a better overall team with the money Lance makes compared to what Jimmy makes along with a draft asset of some kind by trading Jimmy.

9ers just need to lean more on the running game and defense until Lance gets more and more comfortable and that's the formula for 2022. That was even the formula for this season as well since we really only did well on offense when the running game was humming along.

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Can we please not start this ****? Trade him and move on

This time last year Adam was 100% certain that we were drafting Mac Jones. All of these guys give their best guesses.

In the whole interview he said that it was an opinion of his that it’s possible that Lance is further behind that people thought. When pressed on it, he hedged and said that the 49ers love Lance and his progress.

This is all for media attention and clicks. Lance and the 49ers QB situation is a hot button issue that media personalities are drooling over. Truthfully none of them have any clue as to how ready Lance is.

[CrimsonCrew]

Cowherd speculating that the rumors about the Niners keeping Garoppolo could be coming from inside the building, deliberately intended to bump his value:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156470-cowherd-trey-lance-rumors-could-actually-49ers-gamesmanship/

A thought like this crossed my mind. Not that they did it deliberately, per se, but that it wasn't necessarily a bad thing for the team. If everyone knows you want to sell something, unless it's super in-demand, the value tends to go down. However, if something might not be available, you could get some more aggressive bids trying to pry it away from you. A first and a starting CB, as the article suggests? That would be pretty shocking. But maybe a second and more.

Anyway, I'm still obviously expecting Garoppolo to be moved, but until that time, I'm not going to read too much into any of these stories.

[Dodub]

Wow, there goes Jimmy’s trade value. It’s looking like a 4th rounder now with the impending surgery

[CrimsonCrew]

Wow, there goes Jimmy’s trade value. It’s looking like a 4th rounder now with the impending surgery

We'll see. He should be ready by July, so it's not like he'd miss much of the actual offseason. Really just OTAs. I'm just gonna wait and see what shakes out. I'd still love to get at least a second, but no sense worrying about it for now. That said, I'd be pretty disappointed if we only walk away with a fourth.

[arich35]

I think we will be getting back conditional picks depending on if he stays healthy and actually plays

[CrimsonCrew]

I think we will be getting back conditional picks depending on if he stays healthy and actually plays

Decent chance of that. Which is too bad, cause this draft is really deep in the middle rounds. Maybe we can get a fourth this year and a conditional for next year.

At this point, my hopes lie mostly with the Commanders. They have a pretty good roster, play in a mediocre division, and their FO is several years in. They need to win soon, and they don't have time to wait on a rookie. But they might prefer to go with a Bridgewater for no draft picks and less money than trade for Garoppolo. We'll see.

[Dodub]

I don’t know if this is the right thread or not.

My official “must draft” for the 49ers is Calvin Austin III, he multiple needs that we have and he’s electric. Should be a mid round pick.

[CrimsonCrew]

I don’t know if this is the right thread or not.

My official “must draft” for the 49ers is Calvin Austin III, he multiple needs that we have and he’s electric. Should be a mid round pick.

Yeah, he's definitely on my watch list. He brings an element we don't have, and could be available in round four or even later given that he's tiny and it's a deep receiver class.