Robert Williams, aka "Timelord"

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If Rob can add an outside shot to his arsenal (like 15 feet out), and at least hit an occasional three, he could jump into the "Best Big Man" in the league conversation. As good as he is, whenever he gets the ball outside of the paint, nobody expects him to take a shot. I think if he could do that, it would elevate his game even higher.
Also, I would like to see him drive to the rim more when he does get the ball outside. His first, second, third and fourth thoughts seems to be to pass the ball, instead of driving hard to the rim.
Hopefully this off-season he'll work on both of these things.

See now this is the kind of take that just doesn't do it.

Rob isn't a 15 footer away from being an MVP/top 5 player in the league. Jokic and Embiid are the two best Big Men in the game. And Rob isn't a jumper away from being on their level.

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Rob is as much as a threat around the rim as anybody in the league - on both sides of the ball. If he could develope an outside shot (like the other bigs have), then there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league.
I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach.

like the other bigs have?

Capela has no outside shot.

Ayton has no outside shot.

Richaun Holmes has no outside shot.

Jarrett Allen (all-star) has no outside shot.

Gobert has no outside shot (multiple time all NBA player)

Steven Adams has no outside shot

Jakob Poeltl has no outside shot.

To say that Valanciunas has an outside shot is being generous - he averaged less than 1 attempt a game from 3 for his career.

Vucevic has an outside shot but can't defend

Towns has an outside shot but is also not very good defensively

Brook lopez has an outside shot but he's obviously not on rob's level, not at this point in lopez's career

you say that guys like gobert and allen are within rob's reach....but neither gobert nor allen has an outside shot. so why does rob need to get an outside shot? all 3 of them are bigs who can't shoot..

[Jaqua92]

See now this is the kind of take that just doesn't do it.

Rob isn't a 15 footer away from being an MVP/top 5 player in the league. Jokic and Embiid are the two best Big Men in the game. And Rob isn't a jumper away from being on their level.

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Rob is as much as a threat around the rim as anybody in the league - on both sides of the ball. If he could develope an outside shot (like the other bigs have), then there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league.
I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach.

like the other bigs have?

Capela has no outside shot.

Ayton has no outside shot.

Richaun Holmes has no outside shot.

Jarrett Allen (all-star) has no outside shot.

Gobert has no outside shot (multiple time all NBA player)

Steven Adams has no outside shot

Jakob Poeltl has no outside shot.

To say that Valanciunas has an outside shot is being generous - he averaged less than 1 attempt a game from 3 for his career.

Vucevic has an outside shot but can't defend

Towns has an outside shot but is also not very good defensively

Brook lopez has an outside shot but he's obviously not on rob's level, not at this point in lopez's career

you say that guys like gobert and allen are within rob's reach....but neither gobert nor allen has an outside shot. so why does rob need to get an outside shot? all 3 of them are bigs who can't shoot..

..because the discussion was about "best big man in the league"

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Rob is as much as a threat around the rim as anybody in the league - on both sides of the ball. If he could develope an outside shot (like the other bigs have), then there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league.
I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach.

like the other bigs have?

Capela has no outside shot.

Ayton has no outside shot.

Richaun Holmes has no outside shot.

Jarrett Allen (all-star) has no outside shot.

Gobert has no outside shot (multiple time all NBA player)

Steven Adams has no outside shot

Jakob Poeltl has no outside shot.

To say that Valanciunas has an outside shot is being generous - he averaged less than 1 attempt a game from 3 for his career.

Vucevic has an outside shot but can't defend

Towns has an outside shot but is also not very good defensively

Brook lopez has an outside shot but he's obviously not on rob's level, not at this point in lopez's career

you say that guys like gobert and allen are within rob's reach....but neither gobert nor allen has an outside shot. so why does rob need to get an outside shot? all 3 of them are bigs who can't shoot..

..because the discussion was about "best big man in the league"

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But i was responding to this:

"there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league. I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach."

[Joshyjess]

like the other bigs have?

Capela has no outside shot.

Ayton has no outside shot.

Richaun Holmes has no outside shot.

Jarrett Allen (all-star) has no outside shot.

Gobert has no outside shot (multiple time all NBA player)

Steven Adams has no outside shot

Jakob Poeltl has no outside shot.

To say that Valanciunas has an outside shot is being generous - he averaged less than 1 attempt a game from 3 for his career.

Vucevic has an outside shot but can't defend

Towns has an outside shot but is also not very good defensively

Brook lopez has an outside shot but he's obviously not on rob's level, not at this point in lopez's career

you say that guys like gobert and allen are within rob's reach....but neither gobert nor allen has an outside shot. so why does rob need to get an outside shot? all 3 of them are bigs who can't shoot..

..because the discussion was about "best big man in the league"

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But i was responding to this:

"there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league. I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach."

You pretty much answered your own question. If Rob can develope an outside shot he would surprass all those guys you mentioned and be one of the top three or four big guys in the league. No he probably won't reach the level of Embiid or Joker, but he could be the next guy on the list. Right now hes in the mix with many of the other good big guys, but give him a half-decent outside shot, and he shoots ahead (pun intended) of all the other big guys in the league (minus the MVP level guys).
In other words - Rob with no outside shooting - one of the better big guys in the league. Rob with outside shooting - top three or four big guys in the league.

[BK_2020]

KAT is shooting 40% from the three on 5 shots per game so sure if Rob can surpass that he would be a pretty good player.

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KAT is shooting 40% from the three on 5 shots per game so sure if Rob can surpass that he would be a pretty good player.

That's not going to happen.

Rob is however much better defensively than Towns, a much better lob finisher, faster, more active on both ends, higher motor and is 2 years younger than Towns so has more of a window to develop more.

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..because the discussion was about "best big man in the league"

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But i was responding to this:

"there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league. I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach."

You pretty much answered your own question. If Rob can develope an outside shot he would surprass all those guys you mentioned and be one of the top three or four big guys in the league. No he probably won't reach the level of Embiid or Joker, but he could be the next guy on the list. Right now hes in the mix with many of the other good big guys, but give him a half-decent outside shot, and he shoots ahead (pun intended) of all the other big guys in the league (minus the MVP level guys).
In other words - Rob with no outside shooting - one of the better big guys in the league. Rob with outside shooting - top three or four big guys in the league.

Over the past few years, the next guy on the list after Jokic/Embiid is Gobert. Again, Gobert doesn't have an outside shot either. So clearly, having an outside shot isn't necessary to be a top 3 center in the league.

Also, Jarrett Allen was 1 of the 5 centers to make all-star team this year. By that logic, he's a top 5 center in the league. Which means the no. 3 and no. 5. center in the league right now have no outside shot.

The next 2 guys on the list of top centers after Jokic/Embiid/Gobert/Towns/Allen ? Probably would be Bam and Ayton. Ayton we know, has no outside shot. Bam? He's only taken 5 shots from beyond the arc this season and missed all 5.

Rob has already shown some improvement and more willingness this season to take the mid range jumper here and there. That's a good start. Baby steps. My suggestion would be to forget about the 3 - that's too big of a leap, biting off more than he can chew. He should just keep working on his mid range jumper as well as the other parts of his game and he'll be fine. The dude clearly has a really good work ethic (and he has awesome chemistry with tatum, brown and smart). We've got ourselves a good one - knock on wood he stays healthy

[Joshyjess]

Some Big guys are actually pretty good three point shooters - maybe Rob has that potential as well. But I do agree that he shouldn't worry about that (unless he's like totally open in a blow out), but I would like to see him at least attempt a couple of mid-range shots a game). I know he can shoot the mid-range, but it seems like he's almost afraid to even attempt it anymore.

[BK_2020]

Rob is a good rim-runner and shot blocker who can pass a bit, but he's also 6'8 and has a very limited offensive game. Javale McGee and Bamba have scored more points than him this season. Rob is great for us, but he's not ever going to be a top 3 center in the league. And that's ok.

[darrendaye]

But i was responding to this:

"there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league. I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach."

You pretty much answered your own question. If Rob can develope an outside shot he would surprass all those guys you mentioned and be one of the top three or four big guys in the league. No he probably won't reach the level of Embiid or Joker, but he could be the next guy on the list. Right now hes in the mix with many of the other good big guys, but give him a half-decent outside shot, and he shoots ahead (pun intended) of all the other big guys in the league (minus the MVP level guys).
In other words - Rob with no outside shooting - one of the better big guys in the league. Rob with outside shooting - top three or four big guys in the league.

Over the past few years, the next guy on the list after Jokic/Embiid is Gobert. Again, Gobert doesn't have an outside shot either. So clearly, having an outside shot isn't necessary to be a top 3 center in the league.

Also, Jarrett Allen was 1 of the 5 centers to make all-star team this year. By that logic, he's a top 5 center in the league. Which means the no. 3 and no. 5. center in the league right now have no outside shot.

The next 2 guys on the list of top centers after Jokic/Embiid/Gobert/Towns/Allen ? Probably would be Bam and Ayton. Ayton we know, has not outside shot. Bam? He's only taken 5 shots from beyond the arc this season and missed all 5.

Rob has already shown some improvement and more willingness this season to take the mid range jumper here and there. That's a good start. Baby steps. My suggestion would be to forget about the 3 - that's too big of a leap, biting off more than he can chew. He should just keep working on his mid range jumper as well as the other parts of his game and he'll be fine. The dude clearly ahs a really good work ethic. We've got ourselves a good one - knock on wood he stays healthy

Agree with your point about the 3pt shot. My hope is he works on mid-range. face-up, and pump fake and drive actions. Really the hope is that he can get to a point that defenders can't just stand in the paint. For me, it's more about him having more impact as a passer. Also will help him later in his career when his athleticism slips a bit.

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Rob is a good rim-runner and shot blocker who can pass a bit, but he's also 6'8 and has a very limited offensive game. Javale McGee and Bamba have scored more points than him this season. Rob is great for us, but he's not ever going to be a top 3 center in the league. And that's ok.

Limited offensively? Rob's offensive rating right now this season is 143.29. That's the highest offensive rating for a player....in NBA history.

Gobert has been a top 3 center in the league for the past few years. what does he do that rob does not? Rob is a better passer, and 5 years younger than Gobert so still getting better.

Rob is 6'8" but plays much bigger. He's got a 7'6" wingspan and a 40" vertical leap. He was actually measured at 6'10" before the draft: https://www.nba.com/stats/articles/2018-nba-draft-profile-robert-williams/

[Feed Your Head]

Rob is a good rim-runner and shot blocker who can pass a bit, but he's also 6'8 and has a very limited offensive game. Javale McGee and Bamba have scored more points than him this season. Rob is great for us, but he's not ever going to be a top 3 center in the league. And that's ok.

Limited offensively? Rob's offensive rating right now this season is 143.29. That's the highest offensive rating for a player....in NBA history.

Gobert has been a top 3 center in the league for the past few years. what does he do that rob does not? Rob is a better passer, and 5 years younger than Gobert so still getting better.

Rob is 6'8" but plays much bigger. He's got a 7'6" wingspan and a 40" vertical leap. He was actually measured at 6'10" before the draft: https://www.nba.com/stats/articles/2018-nba-draft-profile-robert-williams/

Bball reference’s offensive and defensive rating are pretty misleading, to be fair. The Celtics have a 111.3 offensive rating when Rob plays, and 108.1 when he sits.

Rob is definitely limited offensively, but it’s not a knock. Because he’s such an elite threat as a rim runner, they are much better offensively with him on the court.

[Jaqua92]

like the other bigs have?

Capela has no outside shot.

Ayton has no outside shot.

Richaun Holmes has no outside shot.

Jarrett Allen (all-star) has no outside shot.

Gobert has no outside shot (multiple time all NBA player)

Steven Adams has no outside shot

Jakob Poeltl has no outside shot.

To say that Valanciunas has an outside shot is being generous - he averaged less than 1 attempt a game from 3 for his career.

Vucevic has an outside shot but can't defend

Towns has an outside shot but is also not very good defensively

Brook lopez has an outside shot but he's obviously not on rob's level, not at this point in lopez's career

you say that guys like gobert and allen are within rob's reach....but neither gobert nor allen has an outside shot. so why does rob need to get an outside shot? all 3 of them are bigs who can't shoot..

..because the discussion was about "best big man in the league"

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But i was responding to this:

"there's no reason he can't be one of the best bigs in the league. I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate, but that he can be one of the best bigs. Sure you have guys like Embiid and Jokic who are more than just great bigs - true MVP candidates. I'm not talking about Rob being at that level. But guys like Gobert and Allen are definitely within Rob's reach."

Okay. I agree with you then.

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[BK_2020]

Rob is a good rim-runner and shot blocker who can pass a bit, but he's also 6'8 and has a very limited offensive game. Javale McGee and Bamba have scored more points than him this season. Rob is great for us, but he's not ever going to be a top 3 center in the league. And that's ok.

Limited offensively? Rob's offensive rating right now this season is 143.29. That's the highest offensive rating for a player....in NBA history.

Gobert has been a top 3 center in the league for the past few years. what does he do that rob does not? Rob is a better passer, and 5 years younger than Gobert so still getting better.

Rob is 6'8" but plays much bigger. He's got a 7'6" wingspan and a 40" vertical leap. He was actually measured at 6'10" before the draft: https://www.nba.com/stats/articles/2018-nba-draft-profile-robert-williams/

Gobert is 7'1 and plays much bigger. He's got a 7'9 wingspan.
Gobert sets better screens and did I mention he's 5 inches taller and wingspan is 3 inches longer? Gobert also scores 50% more points, sets great screens, and is a bigger lob threat than Rob Williams. Despite taking 33% more shot attempts per game, Gobert attempts and converts more dunks than Rob. Rudy Gobert has a free throw rate of .816 this season, which is kind of impossible the more you think about it. He attempts 6.5 free throws per game, which means after 12 games played, Gobert had surpassed Rob's total free throws this season. He's also a much better rebounder.
All this is simply ignoring that Gobert is on a whole other planet defensively.
As for passing, once you control for selection bias you will realize that, even though you remember the nifty passes Rob made, he really doesn't do very much passing. Most of the time he's just handing it off.
I think Rob will have to improve drastically and possibly grow a few more inches before he can come close to Gobert.

[zoyathedestroya]

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I liked the announcer in the video who said that the first rule of defensive basketball is to never leave your feet.

[VeryMuchWoke]

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Pretty good segment here on C's defense, which begins with how Udoka deployed the TimeLord.

[sam_I_am]

I think Jaren Jackson Jr. (who is 2 years younger than Rob) is what Rob could become offensively. Rob has a nice shot and can definitely add the 3 ball to his repertoire. He is also so skilled handling the ball as a passer I think he can had a 1 or 2 dribble drive as well.

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Wow at the Ft percentage.

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Wow at the Ft percentage.

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YUP
Robert Williams III ist ein bucket

If he can do this, one dribble drives, jump hooks, and a turnaround jump shot the defense will be even more **** than they are with his all-time high offensive rating.

DO IT!