NBA Expansion On The Way - Bill Simmons

[BlacJacMac]

BlacJackMac is 100% right on this issue

Mattya is so wrong is laughable lolololol


100% fans would schedule a Vegas trip along with their favorite hometown team visiting Vegas.

TMobile arena is hella nice and one of the main reasons why the nba is coming there because it’s nba ready.


Glen Taylor has stated multiple times he could of got over 2 billion selling the wolves to a Vegas ownership group but flat out refused because he wants his legacy to keep the wolves in MN.

Everyone knows Seattle is next, 100% Vegas is after them.

3.5 billion fee for seattle, 3 billion fee for vegas. Both cities arenas are ready and both markets can support the team with high attendance.

Money talks and it’s happening.

I’m laughing at these posts making Vegas out to be something it’s not. This is common knowledge about Vegas.

If you can't laugh at yourself...

[Cactus Jack]

Everyone knows Seattle is next, 100% Vegas is after them.

3.5 billion fee for seattle, 3 billion fee for vegas. Both cities arenas are ready and both markets can support the team with high attendance.

Money talks and it’s happening.

Fwiw the $3.5B fee (Seattle) is just speculation from Simmons. No one really knows what the fee will end up being.

Seattle has the full backing of the NHL ownership group. Their next target is an NBA team. Preferably through expansion.

Read on Twitter

As for Vegas? I can't really comment because I'm not as plugged into the situation there. But I've heard that Vegas is a lock.

[WolfAddict]

Excuse my ignorance, being an Australian I don't really understand a lot of the nuances of expansion over in the States, but is there a reason why Kentucky isn't high on the list of expansion talks? (Not that I've seen anyway)

My Dad is from Louisville so I obviously have a soft spot for the state.

[Cactus Jack]

Excuse my ignorance, being an Australian I don't really understand a lot of the nuances of expansion over in the States, but is there a reason why Kentucky isn't high on the list of expansion talks? (Not that I've seen anyway)

My Dad is from Louisville so I obviously have a soft spot for the state.

Louisville often is mentioned as a potential market that the league might look at in the future.

But Seattle & Vegas seem to be virtual locks & preferred over other markets for expansion at this time. Why? Both have been the most aggressive in trying to bring a team to their prospective cities. Both also having built new arena's fairly recently. Seattle just this past year. More importantly, they also have active groups that want to invest in a team & are willing to spend upwards of $2-3 Billion for one. Ultimately, money & financing is a huge deciding factor.

Could Louisville get a team in the future? It's absolutely possible. But if the league decides to expand by putting teams in Seattle & Las Vegas as expected, then Louisville will either have to wait for the next round of expansion or potentially target other teams.

[UnFadeable21]

Excuse my ignorance, being an Australian I don't really understand a lot of the nuances of expansion over in the States, but is there a reason why Kentucky isn't high on the list of expansion talks? (Not that I've seen anyway)

My Dad is from Louisville so I obviously have a soft spot for the state.

Kentucky loves college basketball but its a top 10 poorest state in the USA

[shrink]

I would add that when the NBA expands, they will look for the best markets in the US. The Neilson Ratings (the tv guys you may have heard of), rank the cities and surrounding areas into designated market areas.

https://oaaa.org/Portals/0/Public%20PDFs/OAAA%202021%20NIELSEN%20DMA%20Rankings%20Report.pdf

You can see Minneapolis/St. Paul, with all its suburbs, is a comfortable #14 in the nation with about 1.9 mil homes. Seattle is #12 with about 2.1, and in previous years it has been a top ten market. It’s an affluent city with lots of tech, and of course, sentimentally people want the NBA back in there. Las Vegas is only #40, but it has many advantages that we’ve already spoken about.

Louisville is a wonderful Mecca for college basketball, with a long history and rabid fans. If I recall, they had a group try to bring an nba team in during the last expansion, many years ago. But Louisville is small (#50, at about 0.7 mil homes) and not affluent. New Orleans and Memphis are the smallest at #51 and #52, so it’s not out of the question, but the league wants tv rights in towns with a lot of tvs, to add to the pie.

[When the league expands, the owners will all get an up front fee, but remember that every year after, they will only get 1/32 of the split, rather than 1/30 (except for some local revenues). This is why the commissioner is stressing the importance of adding locations that can grow the pie enough to not cut owners future earnings.]

This is why you might see the league prefer to get into a rich, growing market like Tampa, or make your dad drive to a new team in Saint Louis before Louisville.

[WolfAddict]

Thanks for the replies Much appreciated

[Pooh4ever]

Now, Minnesota-based reporter Charley Walters of the Pioneer Press wrote Rodriguez, a former Seattle Mariner, wants to relocate the team to Seattle rather than keep it in Minnesota.

"There’s buzz now that Kevin Garnett, who is said to be worth more than $200 million, will be heavily involved in the Timberwolves basketball department if he joins franchise investors Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore if/when they gain full control in 2023," wrote Walters. "The word is Garnett, the ex-Timberwolf, wants the franchise to remain in Minnesota but Rodriguez wants to move it to Seattle, where he played for seven seasons."

[winforlose]

Now, Minnesota-based reporter Charley Walters of the Pioneer Press wrote Rodriguez, a former Seattle Mariner, wants to relocate the team to Seattle rather than keep it in Minnesota.

"There’s buzz now that Kevin Garnett, who is said to be worth more than $200 million, will be heavily involved in the Timberwolves basketball department if he joins franchise investors Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore if/when they gain full control in 2023," wrote Walters. "The word is Garnett, the ex-Timberwolf, wants the franchise to remain in Minnesota but Rodriguez wants to move it to Seattle, where he played for seven seasons."

Old news with no verification. The league has to approve a move and we know they want to expand.

[Jailblazers7]

More money in it for the owners to have 2 expansion franchises rather than for a team to relocate.

[King Malta]

Now, Minnesota-based reporter Charley Walters of the Pioneer Press wrote Rodriguez, a former Seattle Mariner, wants to relocate the team to Seattle rather than keep it in Minnesota.

"There’s buzz now that Kevin Garnett, who is said to be worth more than $200 million, will be heavily involved in the Timberwolves basketball department if he joins franchise investors Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore if/when they gain full control in 2023," wrote Walters. "The word is Garnett, the ex-Timberwolf, wants the franchise to remain in Minnesota but Rodriguez wants to move it to Seattle, where he played for seven seasons."

Old news with no verification. The league has to approve a move and we know they want to expand.

Stop feeding the troll.

[fattymcgee]

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That's not a fan, it's a bandwagon.

Bandwagon Fan
Anyone who claims they are a "fan" of a particular sports team, even though they had no prior support for/interest in the team until that team started winning. These types of fans only show playoff interest, have probably never watched a regular season game, don't own any type of team merchandise, nor would they buy any.




As such. It’s rather rude to call many fans bandwagon fans because they wouldn’t drive hours to see a team that isn’t competitive. Who says they aren’t watching from home, not wearing their favorite teams apparel, talking about and debating with other fans about their favorite team? One does not need attend games to be a fan.


Same fan might drive many hours to enjoy a game of another favorite team because the experience will involve seeing a competitive and meaningful match.

Well, I suppose that it's different here in Europe.

As I said I live in a city with a football team that was professional, in fact, won more than 20 years ago the Spanish Leage and was in semis of the Champions Leage and now it's in the third league of Spanish football and still 25.000 persons go to the stadium.

I am not a fan of that team, I went to the stadium several matches but only interested in Champions League top teams, like United, Arsenal or Milan and never claimed to be a fan of that team, only used their success to see good football, but for me that it's not a fan.

I have never been in the USA but I watched too many bad games from this team and only a few goods. Since Telfair, Gomes, Brewer, Big AL or Love to the actual team.

I don't know if in the NFL have the same problem, but I follow NBA and NHL and with so small arenas and big cities, the stadiums should be full every game.

How many other sports teams in your city? The Timberwolves have to fight for fans amongst the Vikings, Wild, Twins, Loons, Gophers basketball, and Gophers football.

Small towns can support a team if it's the only big team in town.

[DoItALL9]

Bandwagon Fan
Anyone who claims they are a "fan" of a particular sports team, even though they had no prior support for/interest in the team until that team started winning. These types of fans only show playoff interest, have probably never watched a regular season game, don't own any type of team merchandise, nor would they buy any.




As such. It’s rather rude to call many fans bandwagon fans because they wouldn’t drive hours to see a team that isn’t competitive. Who says they aren’t watching from home, not wearing their favorite teams apparel, talking about and debating with other fans about their favorite team? One does not need attend games to be a fan.


Same fan might drive many hours to enjoy a game of another favorite team because the experience will involve seeing a competitive and meaningful match.

Well, I suppose that it's different here in Europe.

As I said I live in a city with a football team that was professional, in fact, won more than 20 years ago the Spanish Leage and was in semis of the Champions Leage and now it's in the third league of Spanish football and still 25.000 persons go to the stadium.

I am not a fan of that team, I went to the stadium several matches but only interested in Champions League top teams, like United, Arsenal or Milan and never claimed to be a fan of that team, only used their success to see good football, but for me that it's not a fan.

I have never been in the USA but I watched too many bad games from this team and only a few goods. Since Telfair, Gomes, Brewer, Big AL or Love to the actual team.

I don't know if in the NFL have the same problem, but I follow NBA and NHL and with so small arenas and big cities, the stadiums should be full every game.

How many other sports teams in your city? The Timberwolves have to fight for fans amongst the Vikings, Wild, Twins, Loons, Gophers basketball, and Gophers football.

Small towns can support a team if it's the only big team in town.

It could be the case in Louisville depending on how you define "big"

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[Battletrigger]

Bandwagon Fan
Anyone who claims they are a "fan" of a particular sports team, even though they had no prior support for/interest in the team until that team started winning. These types of fans only show playoff interest, have probably never watched a regular season game, don't own any type of team merchandise, nor would they buy any.




As such. It’s rather rude to call many fans bandwagon fans because they wouldn’t drive hours to see a team that isn’t competitive. Who says they aren’t watching from home, not wearing their favorite teams apparel, talking about and debating with other fans about their favorite team? One does not need attend games to be a fan.


Same fan might drive many hours to enjoy a game of another favorite team because the experience will involve seeing a competitive and meaningful match.

Well, I suppose that it's different here in Europe.

As I said I live in a city with a football team that was professional, in fact, won more than 20 years ago the Spanish Leage and was in semis of the Champions Leage and now it's in the third league of Spanish football and still 25.000 persons go to the stadium.

I am not a fan of that team, I went to the stadium several matches but only interested in Champions League top teams, like United, Arsenal or Milan and never claimed to be a fan of that team, only used their success to see good football, but for me that it's not a fan.

I have never been in the USA but I watched too many bad games from this team and only a few goods. Since Telfair, Gomes, Brewer, Big AL or Love to the actual team.

I don't know if in the NFL have the same problem, but I follow NBA and NHL and with so small arenas and big cities, the stadiums should be full every game.

How many other sports teams in your city? The Timberwolves have to fight for fans amongst the Vikings, Wild, Twins, Loons, Gophers basketball, and Gophers football.

Small towns can support a team if it's the only big team in town.

In the city we have a pro basketball team and a six times Champions League winner, several Spanish cup and League winner plus Internacional cups hockey team.

[UnFadeable21]

There are plans in place to build a $3 billion NBA arena, hotel, and casino in Las Vegas. (via CNBC)

A new $3 billion sports & entertainment district is coming to Vegas!

@oakviewgroup says it will include a casino, hotel, theater & a $1 billion arena w/ 20,000 seats that will be used for concerts and sporting events.

[UnFadeable21]

Boom -

The NBA is expected to announce two new expansion teams, in Seattle and Las Vegas, after their media rights deal expires in 2024.

(via @johncanzanobft)

[Klomp]

With the first pick in the expansion draft, Seattle selects Gary Payton II