Tobias Harris Trade Thread

Jailblazers7 · Post #1361 » by **Jailblazers7** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:47 pm

I just shudder at the thought of trading for Trey Murphy and then Doc taking half the season to give him any minutes lol.

Monix · Post #1362 » by **Monix** » Tue Mar 1, 2022 1:08 am

that makes more sense - Ilyasova and Scott were at that rate when they were here, Niang is in double digits but is such a **** rebounder that he kills them on the boards

Arsenal · Post #1363 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 6:02 pm

Westbrook + 2027 LAL 1st for Tobi - yes or no??? I won't lie I'm tempted lol.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/russell-westbrook-tobias-harris-trade-76ers/

Would be even better if Westbrook would sit out and not play ala John Wall. Then we trade him at the deadline for value as a massive expiring.

Or buy him out immediately and stretch-waive the amount ($40M?) left, then use the full MLE and the BAE?

spikeslovechild · Post #1364 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 6:44 pm

Arsenal wrote:Westbrook + 2027 LAL 1st for Tobi - yes or no??? I won't lie I'm tempted lol.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/russell-westbrook-tobias-harris-trade-76ers/

Would be even better if Westbrook would sit out and not play ala John Wall. Then we trade him at the deadline for value as a massive expiring.

Or buy him out immediately and stretch-waive the amount ($40M?) left, then use the full MLE and the BAE?

Hell naw.

If I am moving Harris it's with an idea of improving the team. Maybe Morey does regardless just to save cash but it certainly wouldn't be my first inclination as a fan

Arsenal · Post #1365 » by **Arsenal** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 7:04 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Westbrook + 2027 LAL 1st for Tobi - yes or no??? I won't lie I'm tempted lol.

https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/russell-westbrook-tobias-harris-trade-76ers/

Would be even better if Westbrook would sit out and not play ala John Wall. Then we trade him at the deadline for value as a massive expiring.

Or buy him out immediately and stretch-waive the amount ($40M?) left, then use the full MLE and the BAE?

Hell naw.

If I am moving Harris it's with an idea of improving the team. Maybe Morey does regardless just to save cash but it certainly wouldn't be my first inclination as a fan

If we end up trading Tobi for a LAL 1st, then get someone like Otto Porter for the MLE and another contributor for the BAE, along with getting under the luxury tax, resetting the repeater and allowing us to spend more in the future, doesn't that improve the team?

spikeslovechild · Post #1366 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 7:12 pm

In a simple word? No.

Otto Porter would be an improvement over Niang but we all criticize Harris for not being an impact scorer and passing up open looks but I don't really understand the logic to then pivot to guys like Porter. You do know he is averaging like 8 PTS with the Warriors right? He isn't a 3PT bomber. He isn't a shooter. He doesn't offer any sort of playmaking. He is basically a guy who can play defense and hit the open 3.

Furthermore your trade has us trading for westbrook and then buying him out. No thanks to that. Why can't we get someone who can actually contribute in return? I don't for a second believe Harris value is as low as Westbrook plus a first

FireMorey · Post #1367 » by **FireMorey** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 7:38 pm

If the Sixers made that deal for Westbrook, then the only way I'd be ok with it is if they released him. Westbrook is toxic. He makes every team he's on worse.

Otherwise, I'd look elsewhere.

Does anyone know if the Sixers traded Harris into another team's cap space(like say to Portland or OKC) would they regain the full MLE? Or do they have to enter the summer under the tax?

kriss73 · Post #1368 » by **kriss73** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 8:10 pm

I think this image says it all.
Everyone is in the right spot, but Tobias in the corner is not who you want and it's not his job.

I'd be very interested in a trade with the Mavs: something like Tobias for Bertans and Finney-Smith.

You will have the right player in the corner (Bertans), someone to replace D.Green (DFS) and some room in the cap.

Tobis can help Luka and co.

You're adding almost 100M of salary (in the next 4 years) for two players but very manageable imho.

stormi · Post #1369 » by **stormi** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 8:11 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:In a simple word? No.

Otto Porter would be an improvement over Niang but we all criticize Harris for not being an impact scorer and passing up open looks but I don't really understand the logic to then pivot to guys like Porter. You do know he is averaging like 8 PTS with the Warriors right? He isn't a 3PT bomber. He isn't a shooter. He doesn't offer any sort of playmaking. He is basically a guy who can play defense and hit the open 3.

Tobias Harris shoots 4.9 3's per 100 possessions. Otto Porter shoots 8.1.

Not only is Porter a wayyyy better defender that generates more steals and blocks, but he's a more willing shooter that's also a better shooter.

Swapping Porter for Harris in our starting five drastically improves us on both sides of the ball.

stormi · Post #1370 » by **stormi** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 8:27 pm

kriss73 wrote:You will have the right player in the corner (Bertans), someone to replace D.Green (DFS) and some room in the cap.

Tobis can help Luka and co.

You're adding almost 100M of salary (in the next 4 years) for two players but very manageable imho.

Don't think the Mavs would trade DFS so soon after giving him that big contract. More likely a Tobias to Dallas trade will include some combination of Bertans, THJ, Kleber or Bullock. Maybe Powell or Dinwiddie for salary.

spikeslovechild · Post #1371 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Mar 4, 2022 11:03 pm

stormi wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:In a simple word? No.

Otto Porter would be an improvement over Niang but we all criticize Harris for not being an impact scorer and passing up open looks but I don't really understand the logic to then pivot to guys like Porter. You do know he is averaging like 8 PTS with the Warriors right? He isn't a 3PT bomber. He isn't a shooter. He doesn't offer any sort of playmaking. He is basically a guy who can play defense and hit the open 3.

Tobias Harris shoots 4.9 3's per 100 possessions. Otto Porter shoots 8.1.

Not only is Porter a wayyyy better defender that generates more steals and blocks, but he's a more willing shooter that's also a better shooter.

Swapping Porter for Harris in our starting five drastically improves us on both sides of the ball.

I am not saying Harris is a 3PT bomber either he clearly isn't.

But he can do other things Porter can't offensively (mainly with his midrange game) and more importantly if we are making a move for someone we should have better options than Porter and we should never eat westbrooks contract.

Porter would be a huge upgrade over Niang so if it's a case where you could move Niang for a pick and sign Porter for the MLE that would be awesome. You'd then ideally look to move Harris for a wing.

stormi · Post #1372 » by **stormi** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 4:41 pm

Read on Twitter

Yuck.

Post #1373 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:17 pm

stormi wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yuck.

I think Tobias likes to shoot off the dribble, which is why he struggles in the catch-and-shoot role. He doesn’t have the quick trigger like Niang or Green. Maybe they work with him and get him more comfortable with just launching it.

Tobias also had two nice baskets in the flow of the offense by cutting under the basket for easy buckets.

He is a waste of salary, but as a basketball player, he is being a good teammate and trying to adjust his play to fit what the team is doing, so I’ll let him slide on that play. There wasn’t enough daylight for a square peg like Tobias to get that shot off.

I don’t know how many games we have left, but I think he is already adapting to the role little-by-little. The biggest issue is he went 0-5 from three. He hits two of them, and he has a 21 point night in the flow of the offense. You would think he is good enough to his 40% of the wide open looks he is getting. I listen to some of the game on the radio. I would like to watch back and see what kind of looks he had on those missed threes.

FireMorey · Post #1374 » by **FireMorey** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:23 pm

It sucks he's struggling, because despite those struggles, he's still the best 4th option of any of the playoff teams. Having a guy who can get you 18-20 a night as your 4th option is pretty good.

stormi · Post #1375 » by **stormi** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:24 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
stormi wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yuck.

I think Tobias likes to shoot off the dribble, which is why he struggles in the catch-and-shoot role. He doesn’t have the quick trigger like Niang or Green. Maybe they work with him and get him more comfortable with just launching it.

Tobias also had two nice baskets in the flow of the offense by cutting under the basket for easy buckets.

He is a waste of salary, but as a basketball player, he is being a good teammate and trying to adjust his play to fit what the team is doing, so I’ll let him slide on that play. There wasn’t enough daylight for a square peg like Tobias to get that shot off.

I don’t know how many games we have left, but I think he is already adapting to the role little-by-little. The biggest issue is he went 0-5 from three. He hits two of them, and he has a 21 point night in the flow of the offense. You would think he is good enough to his 40% of the wide open looks he is getting. I listen to some of the game on the radio. I would like to watch back and see what kind of looks he had on those missed threes.

His his issue is his form is Westbrookian type stiff and he can't feel comfortable releasing that crooked jumper unless he's taken 5+ dribbles. I want him nowhere near the court with these starters.

Watch on YouTube

This was in 2019 with a chance to go up 3-1 on the Raptors, and the last time we asked him to simply space the floor for the superior players around him. And he's going to do it to us again this post season.

Just start Niang.

zaz102 · Post #1376 » by **zaz102** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:28 pm

stormi wrote:
sixers hoops wrote:
stormi wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yuck.

I think Tobias likes to shoot off the dribble, which is why he struggles in the catch-and-shoot role. He doesn’t have the quick trigger like Niang or Green. Maybe they work with him and get him more comfortable with just launching it.

Tobias also had two nice baskets in the flow of the offense by cutting under the basket for easy buckets.

He is a waste of salary, but as a basketball player, he is being a good teammate and trying to adjust his play to fit what the team is doing, so I’ll let him slide on that play. There wasn’t enough daylight for a square peg like Tobias to get that shot off.

I don’t know how many games we have left, but I think he is already adapting to the role little-by-little. The biggest issue is he went 0-5 from three. He hits two of them, and he has a 21 point night in the flow of the offense. You would think he is good enough to his 40% of the wide open looks he is getting. I listen to some of the game on the radio. I would like to watch back and see what kind of looks he had on those missed threes.

His his issue is his form is Westbrookian type stiff and he can't feel comfortable releasing that crooked jumper unless he's taken 5+ dribbles. I want him nowhere near the court with these starters.

Watch on YouTube

This was in 2019 with a chance to go up 3-1 on the Raptors, and the last time we asked him to simply space the floor for superior players around him. And he's going to do it to us again this post season.

Just start Niang.

I doubt it happening in the regular season, but I think when the pressures on in the playoffs, I could see Doc making the switch. IMO, regardless of anyone saying otherwise, there has to be a lot of pressure on Doc.

stormi · Post #1377 » by **stormi** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:30 pm

zaz102 wrote:Doc

zaz102 wrote:making the switch.

Don't make me laugh

the_process · Post #1378 » by **the_process** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:32 pm

Tobias can start, but Glenn has to have a quick hook. Also Niang has to close. Split their minutes 24 each, and just let Tobi be Tobi with the bench unit, he's out of the way there. If he can get 16 or so a night, that should suffice.

In the off-season, he has to go. You don't even need to get a better piece, you just need to break the salary up into movable pieces, or better yet break the salary down.

zaz102 · Post #1379 » by **zaz102** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:33 pm

stormi wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Doc

zaz102 wrote:making the switch.

Don't make me laugh

People do desperate things in desperate situations. Although, I also think if he doesn't do well in the playoffs (at least good showing in conference finals, maybe more), he'll be fired.

stormi · Post #1380 » by **stormi** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:36 pm

the_process wrote:Tobias can start, but Glenn has to have a quick hook. Also Niang has to close. Split their minutes 24 each, and just let Tobi be Tobi with the bench unit, he's out of the way there. If he can get 16 or so a night, that should suffice.

In the off-season, he has to go. You don't even need to get a better piece, you just need to break the salary up into movable pieces, or better yet break the salary down.

The fact that we stagger and hopefully won't be running full bench units anywhere puts me in a conundrum. I think Niang has to be in when it's full Harden+Embiid units for his vital shooting ability. Does Harris do less damage individually alongside Embiid? Or Harden. I think Harden wants shooters and a leaper in DAJ, maybe we could spam a Harris/Jo P&R when Harden's off the floor to get him some looks going downhill?

The only area as a scorer I'd say Tobias is above average in, is in transition. He weirdly sucks around the basket as a 6'8 230lb grown man that's afraid of initiating contact. I'd say under no circumstances should he be shooting post fades either.