NY draft Pick

cedric76 · Post #1 » by **cedric76** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 8:59 am

As we all know the NY draft pick will be for sale

I think it would be a perfect pick to go after to grab a SG ( Mathurin or Sharpe)

What do you think it would cost to get it?

I think a package around Ross/cole/bamba/denver pick/our 2022 SRP for 8th+bad contract like Kemba could work for both teams

Then we offer 1yr contract to Robin
Then we offer a 2yr MAX contract to Garry Harris (with team option on 2nd year)

Fultz/suggs/kemba
Suggs/harris/Mathurin/RJ
Franz/Chuma/Mathurin/RJ
WCJ/FRP/Chuma
JI/FRP/Lopez (1yr contract)

We d be very Deep and a good mix of young players and Vets (Kemba+harris+Rolo)

Skybox · Post #2 » by **Skybox** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 9:25 am

cedric76 wrote:As we all know the NY draft pick will be for sale

I think it would be a perfect pick to go after to grab a SG ( Mathurin or Sharpe)

What do you think it would cost to get it?

I think a package around Ross/cole/bamba/denver pick/our 2022 SRP for 8th+bad contract like Kemba could work for both teams

Then we offer 1yr contract to Robin
Then we offer a 2yr MAX contract to Garry Harris (with team option on 2nd year)

I must have missed the memo…why do we think their pick would be available?

(And why would they trade it for that pile of…maybe, maybe if we ate some bad money -Evan’s deal has become ugly)

Did you say MAX Gary Harris? :lol:

And I’d love to keep him but lol

cedric76 · Post #3 » by **cedric76** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 10:28 am

Skybox wrote:
cedric76 wrote:As we all know the NY draft pick will be for sale

I think it would be a perfect pick to go after to grab a SG ( Mathurin or Sharpe)

What do you think it would cost to get it?

I think a package around Ross/cole/bamba/denver pick/our 2022 SRP for 8th+bad contract like Kemba could work for both teams

Then we offer 1yr contract to Robin
Then we offer a 2yr MAX contract to Garry Harris (with team option on 2nd year)

I must have missed the memo…why do we think their pick would be available?

(And why would they trade it for that pile of…maybe, maybe if we ate some bad money -Evan’s deal has become ugly)

Did you say MAX Gary Harris? And I’d love to keep him but lol

The only way we can keep Harris is to either offer him a long contract which would hurt us our cap space for future free agency OR just offer him a 1 yr deal which he would only agree to if it s very high

I d rather offer a big 1 yr deal to Harris than offer a 4yr deal to any of those 2022 FA

If you don't sse NY trading their pick you might have missed something

RookieStar · Post #4 » by **RookieStar** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 11:05 am

Aside from Thibs being notorious for not playing rookies/younguns so the a high draft spot would be wasted on them... I dont know why NY would trade their pick

BCS · Post #5 » by **BCS** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 3:05 pm

Yup I mentioned this elsewhere.

Btw are able to trade Bamba's rights? He is a RFA and the draft has always been before free agency so it is not like we can do a s&t, so not sure how that would work.

Knicks trading away their pick is just so them to do. Assuming they do not jump up in the draft of course and stay picking 8 or worse I could see them trade it. They seem to need a PG more than anything else and besides tyty i do not see much in that position. They could improve at the 5 as well, but in that range I only see Duren and tbh I am not sure how much of an improvement he will be over Robinson. If the consenus top picks and tyty, duren, Murray are gone, I do not see them being that excited for what is left. Depending how they view Cole, he practically becomes the best pg at that point, lol. Now I do not know if the denver and our 2nd rd pick is enough. But for Mathurin I'd be willing to do our future pick lottery protected instead of denver which might still not be enough because who knows when it will convey. So, maybe top 10 protected?

Of course this is all assuming everything goes perfect for us which it hasn't for many years lol.

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Skybox · Post #6 » by **Skybox** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 3:19 pm

The whole "Cole is from NY" thing is so overblown. He's the last guy in the NBA Thibs would be okay with (maybe Thibs doesn't stick though). Thibs has a history of wearing out his welcome fast and NY's newly-paid Divas might just strategically freeze him out to end the season and try to make the FO make a coaching change. NY's financial situation is back to being screwed up, so the only way I see them moving that pick is to gain some serious financial flexibility and/or immediate help...NOT just because "Thibs doesn't like young players". It's as silly as thinking Chet will demand to go to ORL because he played in HS with Suggs...just not reality-based. Not LBJ type leverage we're talking about.

Any team in the NBA MIGHT trade their pick for a significant benefit. I surely would for ORL, but NY's not any more likely than others, given their disappointing season and bloated payroll (Evan being the star exhibit).

I agree that a short-term overpay for Harris makes sense...but you said MAX...no No NO chance of that and certainly not even overpaying for more than a year. I could see one year for 15m or a front-loaded two for 25 or second year team option but no way should our FO give away any of our fiscal flexibility for more than one offseason for Harris.

cedric76 · Post #7 » by **cedric76** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 3:31 pm

Skybox wrote:The whole "Cole is from NY" thing is so overblown. He's the last guy in the NBA Thibs would be okay with (maybe Thibs doesn't stick though). Thibs has a history of wearing out his welcome fast and NY's newly-paid Divas might just strategically freeze him out to end the season and try to make the FO make a coaching change. NY's financial situation is back to being screwed up, so the only way I see them moving that pick is to gain some serious financial flexibility and/or immediate help...NOT just because "Thibs doesn't like young players". It's as silly as thinking Chet will demand to go to ORL because he played in HS with Suggs...just not reality-based. Not LBJ type leverage we're talking about.

Any team in the NBA MIGHT trade their pick for a significant benefit. I surely would for ORL, but NY's not any more likely than others, given their disappointing season and bloated payroll (Evan being the star exhibit).

I agree that a short-term overpay for Harris makes sense...but you said MAX...no No NO chance of that and certainly not even overpaying for more than a year. I could see one year for 15m or a front-loaded two for 25 or second year team option but no way should our FO give away any of our fiscal flexibility for more than one offseason for Harris.

Thibs wont be there next season

Skybox · Post #8 » by **Skybox** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 3:50 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Thibs wont be there next season

You may be right...but then why would they trade their pick...will his replacement also not like to play young guys?

pepe1991 · Post #9 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 4:27 pm

Knicks won't do anything dramatic this offseason other than maybe change Thib. I would not even bet on that. After next year they will have only like $50M in cap space commited and enough space to offer 2 max contracts.
That's year where Lebron, Middelton, Beal, Jokic, Irving, Vleet, Vuc , both Bogdanovic, Wiggins, Turner, Levert, Harden and many , many other great players are both: unrestriced free agents AND salary is expected to increese.

That free agency is main reason why there was much less mid season traded this year, as athis free agency market will be craptastic as only few teams have space and very few good players will hit free market.

And from their POV, they lure Lebron for some 1+1 contract and some Middelton type of guy, they can actually compete for title. Some rumors already mention that Lebron might won't stick with LAL anyway. That pick they have right now is good trade chip, we all know that, but how many bad rebuilding teams have very good players to offer?

I also see zero logical reasons why should Magic trade Cole Anthony so soon.

BCS · Post #10 » by **BCS** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 5:55 pm

pepe1991 wrote:I also see zero logical reasons why should Magic trade Cole Anthony so soon.

Should we wait until he loses trade value?

Of all people I thought you would understand, to help, just think of Bamba. The longer you keep a player, the more you lose that mystery of what that player can become. I've personally have seen enough of Cole to know he is not who I want for the Magic. He would have to become Iverson lite offensively to be ok with the liability he is defensively and iq wise.

We need high iq, team first type of players, Cole is not.

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cedric76 · Post #11 » by **cedric76** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 6:11 pm

, the question was what do you think would be the price for the 8th pick

IllMagic04 · Post #12 » by **IllMagic04** » Sat Mar 5, 2022 8:04 pm

cedric76 wrote::-), the question was what do you think would be the price for the 8th pick

Franz

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cedric76 · Post #13 » by **cedric76** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 7:05 am

IllMagic04 wrote:
cedric76 wrote::-), the question was what do you think would be the price for the 8th pick
Franz

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No way, Franz is worth far more than a 2022 8th pick

richi_v25 · Post #14 » by **richi_v25** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 8:04 am

cedric76 wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
cedric76 wrote::-), the question was what do you think would be the price for the 8th pick
Franz

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No way, Franz is worth far more than a 2022 8th pick

I think he meant Franz's brother...Moe

drsd · Post #15 » by **drsd** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 11:18 am

More generally it is an interesting that a player like Ross could be in a deal to get a pick. For example, a team like the Dallas Mavericks would undoubtably be better served by having a starting-capable SG than a future bench player ride out a rookie year on the deep bench.

Orlando could draft Patrick Baldwin as this generation's Pat Garrity.

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fendilim · Post #16 » by **fendilim** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 2:16 pm

If the 8th pick was offered for Bamba, Cole, Ross and our 2RP this year, you take it and you run.

It was reported that we’re looking for a 1st for Bamba and Ross each. And we didn’t make any trade at all. So that means we can’t get a 1st for any. Then if you get offered an overall 8th pick? And all you need to add is Cole? When we already have Suggs and Fultz?

Max Power · Post #17 » by **Max Power** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 2:53 pm

The point of this post has me kinda lost. We do all that just to acquire the Knicks draft pick? Granted I like the thought of another high draft pick like last year. And maxing out Gary Harris? He averages 11ppg. I’d rather bring in a different 2 personally. Although he’s been solid here. I’d rather keep the flexibility we have financially than fool around with this though.

IllMagic04 · Post #18 » by **IllMagic04** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 4:41 pm

cedric76 wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
cedric76 wrote::-), the question was what do you think would be the price for the 8th pick
Franz

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No way, Franz is worth far more than a 2022 8th pick

You asked the price. If your trying to aquire something that the other party isn't shopping then you have to make a great offer. The aren't trading the 8th pick in a good draft pick for any combo of Ross ,Mo Bamba and Cole. Its silly talk. They could find a star at 8. So to make them move a pick that could get them a star you must present an asset that could also be a star. If you offered Suggs they probably also say no deal. For the record Im not trading Franz for 8 either.

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anothermagicfan · Post #19 » by **anothermagicfan** » Sun Mar 6, 2022 5:40 pm

I think it's viable to package the 2 second round picks this year and a guy like Ross for a future first. I like Cole a lot as the spark plug offense coming off the bench and with more years left on his rookie deal his production and value would be hard to replace. As for Ross, I like him on the second unit in his current role. However he doesn't have much help and our opponents know that as well, making it very difficult for him to be productive. He often looks like a chucker in games. I don't hold that against him because it's obvious that is what he's asked to do. I see value for him and the 2 second round picks in a trade scenario. Taking back a bad contract might be enough for a middle to contender team to give up a future first. I don't see a trade for what will probably be a lottery pick by NY without giving up franz. And I'm not giving up franz.

fendilim · Post #20 » by **fendilim** » Mon Mar 7, 2022 2:31 am

anothermagicfan wrote:I think it's viable to package the 2 second round picks this year and a guy like Ross for a future first. I like Cole a lot as the spark plug offense coming off the bench and with more years left on his rookie deal his production and value would be hard to replace. As for Ross, I like him on the second unit in his current role. However he doesn't have much help and our opponents know that as well, making it very difficult for him to be productive. He often looks like a chucker in games. I don't hold that against him because it's obvious that is what he's asked to do. I see value for him and the 2 second round picks in a trade scenario. Taking back a bad contract might be enough for a middle to contender team to give up a future first. I don't see a trade for what will probably be a lottery pick by NY without giving up franz. And I'm not giving up franz.

so why not trade him at his peak value?

I’m not anti-Cole but I don’t think anyone on the team is untouchable.