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Tor_Raps wrote:I get that Trae's defense is bad but I thought his success in last years playoffs would shut people up for a bit.
J_T wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:I get that Trae's defense is bad but I thought his success in last years playoffs would shut people up for a bit.
What success? This isn't even about Trae, but I consider every season to have one winner and 29 losers. Only the Championship counts, nothing else counts as "success".
Sothron wrote:J_T wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:I get that Trae's defense is bad but I thought his success in last years playoffs would shut people up for a bit.
What success? This isn't even about Trae, but I consider every season to have one winner and 29 losers. Only the Championship counts, nothing else counts as "success".
I agree with the first part of your last sentence. You either win a ring or you are a loser. Not as a person but in terms of team success. I would not say nothing else counts as success however. That is is just being silly. How many HOF players didn't win a ring? They weren't a success? C'mon now.
CobraCommander wrote:Trae is the only player in top 5 in both scoring and assist and he could still end the year with a 40-50-90 plus he has the highest scoring most explosive game this year and has higher WS than any of the other guards PLUS Curry having an off year ...yet YET Yetttttt, Trae isn’t getting any MVP love and isn’t even getting love from the board when people talking about all nba first team...?
What does Trae have to do to get more respect on the board or at least make the AllNBA first team?
CobraCommander wrote:Trae is the only player in top 5 in both scoring and assist and he could still end the year with a 40-50-90 plus he has the highest scoring most explosive game this year and has higher WS than any of the other guards PLUS Curry having an off year ...yet YET Yetttttt, Trae isn’t getting any MVP love and isn’t even getting love from the board when people talking about all nba first team...?
What does Trae have to do to get more respect on the board or at least make the AllNBA first team?
dygaction wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Trae is the only player in top 5 in both scoring and assist and he could still end the year with a 40-50-90 plus he has the highest scoring most explosive game this year and has higher WS than any of the other guards PLUS Curry having an off year ...yet YET Yetttttt, Trae isn’t getting any MVP love and isn’t even getting love from the board when people talking about all nba first team...?
What does Trae have to do to get more respect on the board or at least make the AllNBA first team?
They need to worry more about beating either Brooklyn or Toronto in playin games to get a playoff spot than Trae's MVP. Don't see any first team chance, 2nd might be, but most likely 3rd.
LeftHandThriller wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Trae is the only player in top 5 in both scoring and assist and he could still end the year with a 40-50-90 plus he has the highest scoring most explosive game this year and has higher WS than any of the other guards PLUS Curry having an off year ...yet YET Yetttttt, Trae isn’t getting any MVP love and isn’t even getting love from the board when people talking about all nba first team...?
What does Trae have to do to get more respect on the board or at least make the AllNBA first team?
Got to have the team in the top 6 in the standings. Hawks are 31-32 . Gotta have a winning record at the very least.
CobraCommander wrote:dygaction wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Trae is the only player in top 5 in both scoring and assist and he could still end the year with a 40-50-90 plus he has the highest scoring most explosive game this year and has higher WS than any of the other guards PLUS Curry having an off year ...yet YET Yetttttt, Trae isn’t getting any MVP love and isn’t even getting love from the board when people talking about all nba first team...?
What does Trae have to do to get more respect on the board or at least make the AllNBA first team?
They need to worry more about beating either Brooklyn or Toronto in playin games to get a playoff spot than Trae's MVP. Don't see any first team chance, 2nd might be, but most likely 3rd.
Why not on first team...he has consistently been better than any guard at scoring and passing for the entire year? What does he has\ve to do? Honestly - just asking....
If he is 40-50-90 avg 30 points and 10assist? He is scoring more or less shots and making more assist on less TOs to anyone else in the running. What is anyone OBJECTIVELY doing better than him that you have on the first team? Ja and Currys stats are worse and Luka and Hardens stats worse plus they took long sections of the year off to get healthy or in shape...
Just skiing what this man gotta do?
CobraCommander wrote:Trae is the only player in top 5 in both scoring and assist and he could still end the year with a 40-50-90 plus he has the highest scoring most explosive game this year and has higher WS than any of the other guards PLUS Curry having an off year ...yet YET Yetttttt, Trae isn’t getting any MVP love and isn’t even getting love from the board when people talking about all nba first team...?
What does Trae have to do to get more respect on the board or at least make the AllNBA first team?
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.
by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53
im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
Sothron wrote:ForeverTFC wrote:Sothron wrote:
He got lucky from three, that's all he did. His defense didn't stop a sneeze. What are you talking about? The Raps played the Hawks on the second of a back to back AGAIN. The Raps were at home the day before they had no travel meanwhile the Hawks played, ya know, the best team in the NBA the night before and had to travel and go through customs and play a game. Big difference.
Trae's defense is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. Our main issue this year has been the wing defenders not Trae's man.
This shows a complete lack of understanding when it comes to defense.
Right. I'm only the son of a basketball coach and started at point guard in college basketball. Clearly I have a lack of understanding when it comes to defense.
dautjazz wrote:All-NBA first team? Have you seen what Curry and Doncic have been doing this season? The Hawks would atleast have a good record for him to enter the conversation. I think he's a fantastic player, but he's not a top 2 guard yet.
SickMother wrote:Curry, Luka & Ja are locks for three of the G spots.
If Sixers finish strong Harden is probably getting a spot too.
Gotta figure one or both of Booker/Paul get in there if Phoenix stays like 10 wins ahead of the field.
It seems pretty obvious DeRozan is a forward at this point, but didn't he get in the ASG as a guard?
Young's had a great season, but with his team not winning he's probably going to need a break (Paul's thumb?) to make All NBA this year.
dygaction wrote:CobraCommander wrote:dygaction wrote:
They need to worry more about beating either Brooklyn or Toronto in playin games to get a playoff spot than Trae's MVP. Don't see any first team chance, 2nd might be, but most likely 3rd.
Why not on first team...he has consistently been better than any guard at scoring and passing for the entire year? What does he has\ve to do? Honestly - just asking....
If he is 40-50-90 avg 30 points and 10assist? He is scoring more or less shots and making more assist on less TOs to anyone else in the running. What is anyone OBJECTIVELY doing better than him that you have on the first team? Ja and Currys stats are worse and Luka and Hardens stats worse plus they took long sections of the year off to get healthy or in shape...
Just skiing what this man gotta do?
"If he is 40-50-90 avg 30 points and 10assist?" Except he is not doing any of the 5 you listed?
"He is scoring more or less shots and making more assist on less TOs to anyone else in the running." It is either or, CP3 has way better assist to TO, and DeRozan scoring more with less shots. Also you completely ignored rebounding and defense. Trae's OBPM is #4, right along what you are arguing, but BPM after factoring in defense is #16, roughly 3rd team level.
Main reason, it is team winning though. If Hawks is top 3, he is easily in hunting for 1st team.
CobraCommander wrote:SickMother wrote:Curry, Luka & Ja are locks for three of the G spots.
If Sixers finish strong Harden is probably getting a spot too.
Gotta figure one or both of Booker/Paul get in there if Phoenix stays like 10 wins ahead of the field.
It seems pretty obvious DeRozan is a forward at this point, but didn't he get in the ASG as a guard?
Young's had a great season, but with his team not winning he's probably going to need a break (Paul's thumb?) to make All NBA this year.
I don’t see how any of those guys you named are playing better- the individual numbers don’t support your position
