Brooklyn got bamboozled by James Harden

[Snotbubbles]

Two role players and an borderline star for a player like Harden who btw, is back to playing like a top 5 player again averaging 27 points 12 assists 9 boards on 60 percent from the field and 50 percent from the 3pt line was never the Sixers getting fleeced like idiots such as Stephen A Smith would have had you believe

Oh just wait. The Sixers play the Cavs at home tonight, then fly to Miami to play the Heat tomorrow. If they lose either of those games the haters will be out in full force. With the Lakers being irrelevant, the Sixers have become public enemy #1 around here.

[R-DAWG]

The Nets essentially traded Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert & 7 first round picks for a disgruntled Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Drummond & two late firsts that might not convey.

That's terrible asset management. Morey's patience paid off. The Sixers will make it out of the east with this trade. There's a good chance Harden gets his first ring this year.

How do you get to 7 first round picks:

1) the 2021 pick swap did not convey as Houston had a higher pick
2) the 2022 pick the Nets owe to Houston is essentially replaced with the 2022 pick from Philly - which is basically a pick swap with the right to defer. The Nets will likely drop about 10-12 slots in this scenario but not the end of the world and Brooklyn basically recoups the pick they gave up.
3) it's unlikely that next years (2023) Brooklyn pick will swap with Houston.

So that replaces 3 of the 7 picks mentioned above.

Brooklyn still owes unprotected picks in 2024 and 2026, and unprotected swaps in 2025 and 2027. However, Brooklyn is owed a future protected pick from Philly (top 8 protected in 2027 and 2028). While I think it's 50-50 at best that the pick ends up conveying, I don't think you will see ALL 3 of the 25 swap, the 27 swap AND the Philly pick not conveying happen.

So the way I look at the trade, Brooklyn is down 1.5 draft picks outright, and only has 2 future swaps that are concerning. Call it 3 swaps because it looks like the 2022 pick BK gives to HOU won't be as valuable as the 2022/23 pick they get from Philly.
I also think Seth Curry is a better player than Caris LaVert - at worst Curry + Drummond = LaVert.

Now, if you were told during the bubble that the Nets could trade Jarrett Allen, 2 unprotected 1sts rd picks, and 3 pick swaps for Ben Simmons and a protected 1st rd pick, you would say it's impossible.

Assuming Simmons doesn't have a mental breakdown, the Nets came away from this trade is very good shape.

[jstross]

It all comes down to if Simmons ever plays in the NBA again and if he does at what level does he play. He's mentally fragile and that is never going away.

The Nets essentially traded Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert & 7 first round picks for a disgruntled Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Drummond & two late firsts that might not convey.

That's terrible asset management. Morey's patience paid off. The Sixers will make it out of the east with this trade. There's a good chance Harden gets his first ring this year.

How do you get to 7 first round picks:

1) the 2021 pick swap did not convey as Houston had a higher pick
2) the 2022 pick the Nets owe to Houston is essentially replaced with the 2022 pick from Philly - which is basically a pick swap with the right to defer. The Nets will likely drop about 10-12 slots in this scenario but not the end of the world and Brooklyn basically recoups the pick they gave up.
3) it's unlikely that next years (2023) Brooklyn pick will swap with Houston.

So that replaces 3 of the 7 picks mentioned above.

Brooklyn still owes unprotected picks in 2024 and 2026, and unprotected swaps in 2025 and 2027. However, Brooklyn is owed a future protected pick from Philly (top 8 protected in 2027 and 2028). While I think it's 50-50 at best that the pick ends up conveying, I don't think you will see ALL 3 of the 25 swap, the 27 swap AND the Philly pick not conveying happen.

So the way I look at the trade, Brooklyn is down 1.5 draft picks outright, and only has 2 future swaps that are concerning. Call it 3 swaps because it looks like the 2022 pick BK gives to HOU won't be as valuable as the 2022/23 pick they get from Philly.
I also think Seth Curry is a better player than Caris LaVert - at worst Curry + Drummond = LaVert.

Now, if you were told during the bubble that the Nets could trade Jarrett Allen, 2 unprotected 1sts rd picks, and 3 pick swaps for Ben Simmons and a protected 1st rd pick, you would say it's impossible.

Assuming Simmons doesn't have a mental breakdown, the Nets came away from this trade is very good shape.

[TheLand13]

The Nets essentially traded Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert & 7 first round picks for a disgruntled Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Drummond & two late firsts that might not convey.

That's terrible asset management. Morey's patience paid off. The Sixers will make it out of the east with this trade. There's a good chance Harden gets his first ring this year.

How do you get to 7 first round picks:

1) the 2021 pick swap did not convey as Houston had a higher pick
2) the 2022 pick the Nets owe to Houston is essentially replaced with the 2022 pick from Philly - which is basically a pick swap with the right to defer. The Nets will likely drop about 10-12 slots in this scenario but not the end of the world and Brooklyn basically recoups the pick they gave up.
3) it's unlikely that next years (2023) Brooklyn pick will swap with Houston.

So that replaces 3 of the 7 picks mentioned above.

At the time, the Nets technically gave away seven first round picks. Three were actual first round picks and four were pick swaps, one of which didn't go into effect anyways so basically three. The main concern in regards to this deal is whether or not Simmons can work out his mental issues, and whether or not Irving and Durant can consistently remain healthy. If they do, odds are Brooklyn will continue to be one of the top teams in the East. But if they can't remain healthy, then we've already seen how well Brooklyn plays without them, and it isn't pretty. And the problem is, with Durant and Simmons both on huge contracts already, it gives Brooklyn very little room to work with in terms of cap space. And Irving's due for an extension himself so that's going to hurt them even more.

On the other end of the table is the Rockets. What happens if they quickly rebound? They already have an absolute stud in Sengun and Jalen Green has had a much better second half of the season, demonstrating that Houston could potentially have a dynamic duo on their hands, along with a lot more cap space to work with to build around the two young men. I'm sure they're still kicking themselves for not keeping Jarrett Allen when they had the chance, but they set themselves up for a nice future and potentially quick rebuild.

This trade for Simmons/Curry/Drummond makes up partially for getting rid of Allen and Levert as well as three first rounders. But I will always argue that Brooklyn was better off just keeping what they had to begin with. There's always going to be people who think that you trade for a Harden no matter what, but that's okay, they're allowed to be clueless.

[TheLand13]

It all comes down to if Simmons ever plays in the NBA again and if he does at what level does he play. He's mentally fragile and that is never going away.

The Nets essentially traded Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert & 7 first round picks for a disgruntled Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Drummond & two late firsts that might not convey.

That's terrible asset management. Morey's patience paid off. The Sixers will make it out of the east with this trade. There's a good chance Harden gets his first ring this year.

How do you get to 7 first round picks:

1) the 2021 pick swap did not convey as Houston had a higher pick
2) the 2022 pick the Nets owe to Houston is essentially replaced with the 2022 pick from Philly - which is basically a pick swap with the right to defer. The Nets will likely drop about 10-12 slots in this scenario but not the end of the world and Brooklyn basically recoups the pick they gave up.
3) it's unlikely that next years (2023) Brooklyn pick will swap with Houston.

So that replaces 3 of the 7 picks mentioned above.

Brooklyn still owes unprotected picks in 2024 and 2026, and unprotected swaps in 2025 and 2027. However, Brooklyn is owed a future protected pick from Philly (top 8 protected in 2027 and 2028). While I think it's 50-50 at best that the pick ends up conveying, I don't think you will see ALL 3 of the 25 swap, the 27 swap AND the Philly pick not conveying happen.

So the way I look at the trade, Brooklyn is down 1.5 draft picks outright, and only has 2 future swaps that are concerning. Call it 3 swaps because it looks like the 2022 pick BK gives to HOU won't be as valuable as the 2022/23 pick they get from Philly.
I also think Seth Curry is a better player than Caris LaVert - at worst Curry + Drummond = LaVert.

Now, if you were told during the bubble that the Nets could trade Jarrett Allen, 2 unprotected 1sts rd picks, and 3 pick swaps for Ben Simmons and a protected 1st rd pick, you would say it's impossible.

Assuming Simmons doesn't have a mental breakdown, the Nets came away from this trade is very good shape.

Simmons is going to play eventually. But let's say hypothetically that he doesn't. That just makes trading for Harden in the first place even worse. For Brooklyn's sake, I hope Simmons does end up playing and is able to get back to the form he had before everything went downhill.

[M2J]

If Brooklyn can make a run this season.... Great! But, if they don't, then Drummond doesn't really matter. Considering the timing issue with Simmons, and Kyrie issue I don't know if they get out of the first round.

Joe Harris isn't coming back, and with their lack of defense Curry is such a defensive liability, and I'll tell you he's a bit more valuable offensively with all the injuries as more of a ball handler than when he's just a stand still shooter. When Simmons and Kyrie and Durant are there, they may not even start Curry. Drummond IMO was the bigger hit to the 76ers, and he's a free agent minimum contract that could possibly go back to Philly this summer, or his preference would be to get paid and play elsewhere. Considering it's so unlikely Brooklyn can make a run with their issues all the way to the finals.... The Drummond aspect may not even matter when the trade is reviewed in the future. Plus he and Ben likely can't play together.


The picks will not come back to haunt Philly, and Curry will be replaced. I still feel like keeping even Danny Green and Niang we're more important due to their positions. With Philly's top 4.... Seth would have helped their bench, but they'll score enough.

If Philly can get 14 minutes of solid backup center play, then this was a steal. If they can't, then Marks did a great job of throwing a wrench in the wheel for Philly this season, but I can't see it as a win for the Nets unless they make a real playoff run

[LloydFree]

The 2 Starters the Nets "fleeced" the 76ers out of, had the following lines against the Miami B-Team last night:

A Drummond: 8pts, 3rbs, 1 ast and 4 fouls
Seth Curry : 8pts, 2rbs, 3 ast and 4 fouls

[TheLand13]

The 2 Starters the Nets "fleeced" the 76ers out of, had the following lines against the Miami B-Team last night:

A Drummond: 8pts, 3rbs, 1 ast and 4 fouls
Seth Curry : 8pts, 2rbs, 3 ast and 4 fouls

I would at least give it a little more time before we write them off. They haven't been great but as supporting pieces they certainly have a place.

[drchaos]

I am sure Philly will be really happy with the trade until Harden decides to quit on them next.

[LloydFree]

The "2nd Greatest shooter in the NBA," Seth Curry, managed to get up an amazing three 3pt attempts in 30 minutes today. But the good news is he shot 67% from 3 (for 8 points and 1 assist on the day).

[Hello Brooklyn]

More evidence that the Nets shouldn't have traded Harden.

People really tried arguing that the Nets won the trade. And then Philly got fleeced. LMAO.

Simmons probably doesn't play this year. Drummond is useless. Curry is a role player.

We could have had KD and Harden. Now we have no chance at all to do anything.

[wickedwrister]

I am sure Philly will be really happy with the trade until Harden decides to quit on them next.

The thing about this is we traded a guy who quit on us for him. So if we get 2-3 years out of him before he quits then it's still a win.

[John Murdoch]

More evidence that the Nets shouldn't have traded Harden.

People really tried arguing that the Nets won the trade. And then Philly got fleeced. LMAO.

Simmons probably doesn't play this year. Drummond is useless. Curry is a role player.

We could have had KD and Harden. Now we have no chance at all to do anything.

Simmons will play...they are milking the mental health thing to avoid the PR backlash if he were to all the sudden start playing immideatly after the deal . Im sure Silver spoke with Rich Paul on the low and instructed him to wait it out a bit for appearances

[Hello Brooklyn]

I am sure Philly will be really happy with the trade until Harden decides to quit on them next.

The thing about this is we traded a guy who quit on us for him. So if we get 2-3 years out of him before he quits then it's still a win.

Trade is worth it even if Harden quits on them next season.

They have a legitimate shot at winning the East this year. Simmons was dead weight.

[LivingLegend]

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[76ciology]

Why didnt the Nets just do a Fertita and trade Harden to some team like the Kings for Haliburton or Fox?

Or maybe they should have just done a 3 way where Ben and picks land in Sacramento then have Haliburton, Hield with Seth and Drummond.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why didnt the Nets just do a Fertita and trade Harden to some team like the Kings for Haliburton or Fox?

Or maybe they should have just done a 3 way where Ben and picks land in Sacramento then have Haliburton, Hield with Seth and Drummond.

Why would the Kings want half a year of Harden though? Especially when he was already in quit mode.

Simmons in theory would help more than Hield and Haliburton. Since the Nets desperately need defense.

Nets should have just not made the trade at all.

[TheLand13]

I’m starting to eat my words here in regards to the trade. I felt at first that Brooklyn won the trade, but man, I didn’t expect Drummond to be this bad. Curry has been okay I guess but he’s not enough to split the difference. The key is going to be Simmons, and when he plays. Problem here is that he likely won’t be playing PG, which puts him out of his element so his offense will be severely hindered.

I guess this just goes back to my previous point: Brooklyn is literally only good at one thing and that’s making bad trades to make other teams better.

[TheGOATRises007]

Yeah Brooklyn were in a lose-lose position.

However, this all goes back to Kyrie yet again.

[monopoman]

Yeah Kyrie is really the main reason this happened, how the **** is Harden supposed to be loyal to a team that contains a guy that refused to get a vaccination so he could play with his other teammates.