Have the Heat Secured Top of the Table?

[Eagle4]

Brooklyn might finish 8th seed too, good luck with that.

and no one fears BKN as much anymore now that Harden is gone and Kyrie is still part time, at least Heat don't lol. In fact it'll be a good early test for the Miami since they'd have to go through KD at one point in the playoffs anyways so gives them a nice early battle test.

[bebopdeluxe]

Ok and if we're talking about players who didn't even play a game for their team at that point then we can say Miami didn't have Oladipo for any of the games either lol

If you would just say that we can't take anything away from these RS games because neither team has been at full strength, that would be fine and accurate. But harping on scheduling is weak af when Miami's scheduling wasn't ideal either and the Heat were depleted for every game. I mean, to hand wave a loss to a Heat team missing Butler, Bam, Herro (and Olidapio) with "SEGABABA" is just weird

What are you talking about? The game back in January where the Sixers beat the Heat on a Saturday night - after playing on Friday in Philadelphia - Jimmy, Lowry and Herro all played. Bam didn't - but again, neither did either Simmons or Harden,

The Heat's win in Philly earlier in the season was a quality win, no doubt.

My point is it is impossible to know how these two teams match up until both rosters are at full strength, and there are no more back to back games to affect things. We will see.

People do anything to discredit success. Heat didn't have BAM AND Oladipo, a guy who was literally all nba 3rd pre-covid. Stop this mess about players out, Heat have only had their 4 players play together for 15% of the total season. Which is partly a testament to the best coach in the league Spo but Heat have very underrated depth.

You can include Olidipo when he actually does something. He hasn't played more than 36 games in a season since the 2017-18 season, and when he has played the last 3 seasons, he has been no better than a replacement level player.

We will see what he has starting tomorrow night.

[JayMKE]

I wouldn't say its locked up, it's super easy to sleep walk to 9-8.

[kuclas]

Ok and if we're talking about players who didn't even play a game for their team at that point then we can say Miami didn't have Oladipo for any of the games either lol

If you would just say that we can't take anything away from these RS games because neither team has been at full strength, that would be fine and accurate. But harping on scheduling is weak af when Miami's scheduling wasn't ideal either and the Heat were depleted for every game. I mean, to hand wave a loss to a Heat team missing Butler, Bam, Herro (and Olidapio) with "SEGABABA" is just weird

What are you talking about? The game back in January where the Sixers beat the Heat on a Saturday night - after playing on Friday in Philadelphia - Jimmy, Lowry and Herro all played. Bam didn't - but again, neither did either Simmons or Harden,

The Heat's win in Philly earlier in the season was a quality win, no doubt.

My point is it is impossible to know how these two teams match up until both rosters are at full strength, and there are no more back to back games to affect things. We will see.

People do anything to discredit success. Heat didn't have BAM AND Oladipo, a guy who was literally all nba 3rd pre-covid. Stop this mess about players out, Heat have only had their 4 players play together for 15% of the total season. Which is partly a testament to the best coach in the league Spo but Heat have very underrated depth.

Oladipo has been pretty washed since early 2019. His original lower body injury. He’s not coming back being that type of player. He had a so so 2018-2019 season anyways

So his last good year was 2017-2018

Bam is undersize against true 7 foot centers. Including even brook Lopez.

The heat rely on tons of defensive help. To help Bam out Against bigger centers.

The real issue for the heat is when teams will hunt down guys like herro and Duncan. Make them play defense. It has a two fold effect.
1. They are defensively weak
2. Make them work even more. Expend more energy. Those 3 point shots become just a tad off. CAuse the legs get tied.

That’s what the heat team is built on. Solid Defend. And 3 point shooting and guys like jimmy getting to the rim and getting free throws. And bam doing his thing from 10 feet and closer range.

[puppa bear]

What are you talking about? The game back in January where the Sixers beat the Heat on a Saturday night - after playing on Friday in Philadelphia - Jimmy, Lowry and Herro all played. Bam didn't - but again, neither did either Simmons or Harden,

The Heat's win in Philly earlier in the season was a quality win, no doubt.

My point is it is impossible to know how these two teams match up until both rosters are at full strength, and there are no more back to back games to affect things. We will see.

People do anything to discredit success. Heat didn't have BAM AND Oladipo, a guy who was literally all nba 3rd pre-covid. Stop this mess about players out, Heat have only had their 4 players play together for 15% of the total season. Which is partly a testament to the best coach in the league Spo but Heat have very underrated depth.

Oladipo has been pretty washed since early 2019. His original lower body injury. He’s not coming back being that type of player. He had a so so 2018-2019 season anyways

So his last good year was 2017-2018

Bam is undersize against true 7 foot centers. Including even brook Lopez.

The heat rely on tons of defensive help. To help Bam out Against bigger centers.

The real issue for the heat is when teams will hunt down guys like herro and Duncan. Make them play defense. It has a two fold effect.
1. They are defensively weak
2. Make them work even more. Expend more energy. Those 3 point shots become just a tad off. CAuse the legs get tied.

That’s what the heat team is built on. Solid Defend. And 3 point shooting and guys like jimmy getting to the rim and getting free throws. And bam doing his thing from 10 feet and closer range.

I personally find the Dipo-Klay dichotomy very strange. Both have had long-term injuries, with the big difference that Dipo tried to play through an unsuccessful surgical repair. Somehow we end with Second Koming Klay and Washed Dipo.

Perhaps it’s a product of Heat Hate

[bebopdeluxe]

People do anything to discredit success. Heat didn't have BAM AND Oladipo, a guy who was literally all nba 3rd pre-covid. Stop this mess about players out, Heat have only had their 4 players play together for 15% of the total season. Which is partly a testament to the best coach in the league Spo but Heat have very underrated depth.

Oladipo has been pretty washed since early 2019. His original lower body injury. He’s not coming back being that type of player. He had a so so 2018-2019 season anyways

So his last good year was 2017-2018

Bam is undersize against true 7 foot centers. Including even brook Lopez.

The heat rely on tons of defensive help. To help Bam out Against bigger centers.

The real issue for the heat is when teams will hunt down guys like herro and Duncan. Make them play defense. It has a two fold effect.
1. They are defensively weak
2. Make them work even more. Expend more energy. Those 3 point shots become just a tad off. CAuse the legs get tied.

That’s what the heat team is built on. Solid Defend. And 3 point shooting and guys like jimmy getting to the rim and getting free throws. And bam doing his thing from 10 feet and closer range.

I personally find the Dipo-Klay dichotomy very strange. Both have had long-term injuries, with the big difference that Dipo tried to play through an unsuccessful surgical repair. Somehow we end with Second Koming Klay and Washed Dipo.

Perhaps it’s a product of Heat Hate

I am not even sure what this means. This is not about Klay Thompson. This is about Victor Oladipo.

The guy has not played a full season since 2017-18. He has played 52 games since the injury, and he was at best a replacement-level player. Until he goes out on the court and has at least 10-15 games under his belt, ANY projection of what the Heat might get from him is nothing more than a guess.

My problem is Heat fans talking about his return as some kind of upgrade. How about we watch him play for a month first - OK?

[Joshyjess]

I'll be very surprised if the Heat don't end up with the number one spot.
However, I dont' think that necessarily means that they are the favorites to win it all. At this point, I don't know if there is a favorite.

[Tim Reynolds]

What’s all this about DeSEGABABA Diop?

SEGABABA is basically shorthand for having to play back-to-back nights. For example, both Sixers/Heat games in Miami were SEGABABA games for the Sixers - where they had to fly to Miami for a game the night after a home game. I would think that is about as far as NBA teams are made to fly for back-to-back games. Obviously not ideal for the team having to fly in...getting to the hotel by, say 2 or 3AM, and having to play a game 16-17 hours later. For the first game in Miami, the Heat were also on a SEGABABA, but they were home for the Friday night game, which makes it easier, for sure.

For the game on March 21st, it is a SEGABABA for the Sixers, but not for the Heat...although the Sixers are at home on the 20th, so it is a little easier than the games in Miami.

I'm pretty sure I've never once read or seen that type anywhere else other than right now by you lol

Just say on a back to back. That's what it's called for short lol.

Seriously. B2B is the shorthand I've always seen/used.

I thought SEGABABA was a new advanced stat like RAPTOR for a second

[bebopdeluxe]

SEGABABA is basically shorthand for having to play back-to-back nights. For example, both Sixers/Heat games in Miami were SEGABABA games for the Sixers - where they had to fly to Miami for a game the night after a home game. I would think that is about as far as NBA teams are made to fly for back-to-back games. Obviously not ideal for the team having to fly in...getting to the hotel by, say 2 or 3AM, and having to play a game 16-17 hours later. For the first game in Miami, the Heat were also on a SEGABABA, but they were home for the Friday night game, which makes it easier, for sure.

For the game on March 21st, it is a SEGABABA for the Sixers, but not for the Heat...although the Sixers are at home on the 20th, so it is a little easier than the games in Miami.

I'm pretty sure I've never once read or seen that type anywhere else other than right now by you lol

Just say on a back to back. That's what it's called for short lol.

Seriously. B2B is the shorthand I've always seen/used.

I thought SEGABABA was a new advanced stat like RAPTOR for a second

If you do a Google search for "SEGABABA basketball" it is pretty clear. We have been using it for years on the Sixers forums that i go to. And I guess you could type "second game of a B2B"...or you can type SEGABABA. But just typing "B2B" doesn't give you all of the information you need.

Whatever. From now on, when I am on the RealGM GB I will type "second game of a B2B".

[Tim Reynolds]

I'm pretty sure I've never once read or seen that type anywhere else other than right now by you lol

Just say on a back to back. That's what it's called for short lol.

Seriously. B2B is the shorthand I've always seen/used.

I thought SEGABABA was a new advanced stat like RAPTOR for a second

If you do a Google search for "SEGABABA basketball" it is pretty clear. We have been using it for years on the Sixers forums that i go to. And I guess you could type "second game of a B2B"...or you can type SEGABABA. But just typing "B2B" doesn't give you all of the information you need.

Whatever. From now on, when I am on the RealGM GB I will type "second game of a B2B".

Funny enough, I actually did a Google search to figure it out cause I was confused

Use what you want my guy, not a big deal, just giving you a bit of crap. We will all figure it out like you said

[Bobbymcgee]

Looking at the remainder of their schedule, I could see them losing to the following teams:

3/9 Suns
3/11 Cavs
3/12 T-Wolves (second of B2B)
3/21 Sixers
3/23 Warriors
3/26 Nets
3/30 Celtics
4/2 Bulls
4/3 Raptors (second of B2B)
4/8 Hawks

That's 10 losses right there. Or, 7 and 10 the rest of the way. But, I am sure they will win some of those games. So, you may be correct in that they might of locked up first in the East.

Of course, they may be rewarded by having to play the Brooklyn Nets in the first round. Even if the Heat beat the Nets in this hypothetical match-up, it just makes their road to the NBA Finals that much harder to have to face a team like the Nets in the first round. Eastern Conference Playoffs are going to be brutal.

[HartfordWhalers]

IITYWYBAD?

[Pachinko_]

Yes. The thing is that I don't think Philly or Milwaukee want the #1 seed if it leads to a Brooklyn matchup in the 1st round.

Or the #2 seed, just to be safe LOL

It's funny and easy now to pile on BKN, but if you face them in the 1st round, and suddenly they are all mentally and physically healthy and available (which I have no doubt they will be) then nobody cares what seed you finished or your silly HCA, everything is 0-0. And trust me, nobody is laughing then... ask me how it felt to play against just KD last year.

[celticfan42487]

I'm pretty sure I've never once read or seen that type anywhere else other than right now by you lol

Just say on a back to back. That's what it's called for short lol.

Seriously. B2B is the shorthand I've always seen/used.

I thought SEGABABA was a new advanced stat like RAPTOR for a second

If you do a Google search for "SEGABABA basketball" it is pretty clear. We have been using it for years on the Sixers forums that i go to. And I guess you could type "second game of a B2B"...or you can type SEGABABA. But just typing "B2B" doesn't give you all of the information you need.

Whatever. From now on, when I am on the RealGM GB I will type "second game of a B2B".

Why would you ever have to mention it if it's the first game of a back to back?

You never need to qualify that it's the second game of a B2B because it's irrelevant if it's the first game.

So the only time you'd use it is second game so it's kind of useless to qualify it with the SEGA part of that acronym.

That said even if you were going Second Game of a Back to Back. That would be SGBB. This SEGABABA is just straight up nonesense lol.

[PlayerUp]

Bucks, Celtics, Bulls all have hard schedules remaining.
Nets, Heat, Philly, Cavs have easy schedules remaining.

I think the East Playoffs looks almost set here.

Team 1: Miami
Team 2: Philly

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Team 3: Milwaukee
Team 4: Boston
Team 5: Chicago
Team 6: Cleveland

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Team 7: Brooklyn
Team 8: ???

I don't see any team catching Team 6 Cleveland right now as Toronto lost to Cleveland tonight, Brooklyn is 5.5 games behind Cleveland, Toronto is struggling.

Miami or Philly finishing #1 and #2 one of them will get lucky playing Toronto, Charlotte or Atlanta, one of them will get screwed playing Brooklyn in the 1st Round.

This is how the East is looking to shape up here.

[puppa bear]

Oladipo has been pretty washed since early 2019. His original lower body injury. He’s not coming back being that type of player. He had a so so 2018-2019 season anyways

So his last good year was 2017-2018

Bam is undersize against true 7 foot centers. Including even brook Lopez.

The heat rely on tons of defensive help. To help Bam out Against bigger centers.

The real issue for the heat is when teams will hunt down guys like herro and Duncan. Make them play defense. It has a two fold effect.
1. They are defensively weak
2. Make them work even more. Expend more energy. Those 3 point shots become just a tad off. CAuse the legs get tied.

That’s what the heat team is built on. Solid Defend. And 3 point shooting and guys like jimmy getting to the rim and getting free throws. And bam doing his thing from 10 feet and closer range.

I personally find the Dipo-Klay dichotomy very strange. Both have had long-term injuries, with the big difference that Dipo tried to play through an unsuccessful surgical repair. Somehow we end with Second Koming Klay and Washed Dipo.

Perhaps it’s a product of Heat Hate

I am not even sure what this means. This is not about Klay Thompson. This is about Victor Oladipo.

The guy has not played a full season since 2017-18. He has played 52 games since the injury, and he was at best a replacement-level player. Until he goes out on the court and has at least 10-15 games under his belt, ANY projection of what the Heat might get from him is nothing more than a guess.

My problem is Heat fans talking about his return as some kind of upgrade. How about we watch him play for a month first - OK?

Can the converse be applied then? Can we wait a month before calling him washed? I think he’ll be rusty and just kinda helpful this season. Next season is when I’m expecting to see what he’ll be long term for the Heat.

I mention Klay, because almost no one said he was washed despite missing 2 straight seasons to severe injuries. His first game back was such a circus that an injured player started the game injured so he could be recorded as having started with him on that game. When they were sitting top before Klay came back, people were saying If he’s 80% then it’s game over for the league.
Meanwhile, Heat fans being excited about Dipo come back is almost unanimously met with “he washed”.

[bebopdeluxe]

Seriously. B2B is the shorthand I've always seen/used.

I thought SEGABABA was a new advanced stat like RAPTOR for a second

If you do a Google search for "SEGABABA basketball" it is pretty clear. We have been using it for years on the Sixers forums that i go to. And I guess you could type "second game of a B2B"...or you can type SEGABABA. But just typing "B2B" doesn't give you all of the information you need.

Whatever. From now on, when I am on the RealGM GB I will type "second game of a B2B".

Why would you ever have to mention it if it's the first game of a back to back?

You never need to qualify that it's the second game of a B2B because it's irrelevant if it's the first game.

So the only time you'd use it is second game so it's kind of useless to qualify it with the SEGA part of that acronym.

That said even if you were going Second Game of a Back to Back. That would be SGBB. This SEGABABA is just straight up nonesense lol.

I didn't make it up. I just use it with other knowledgable basketball fans who also use it. Feel free to ignore my posts where I use it.

[bebopdeluxe]

I personally find the Dipo-Klay dichotomy very strange. Both have had long-term injuries, with the big difference that Dipo tried to play through an unsuccessful surgical repair. Somehow we end with Second Koming Klay and Washed Dipo.

Perhaps it’s a product of Heat Hate

I am not even sure what this means. This is not about Klay Thompson. This is about Victor Oladipo.

The guy has not played a full season since 2017-18. He has played 52 games since the injury, and he was at best a replacement-level player. Until he goes out on the court and has at least 10-15 games under his belt, ANY projection of what the Heat might get from him is nothing more than a guess.

My problem is Heat fans talking about his return as some kind of upgrade. How about we watch him play for a month first - OK?

Can the converse be applied then? Can we wait a month before calling him washed? I think he’ll be rusty and just kinda helpful this season. Next season is when I’m expecting to see what he’ll be long term for the Heat.

I mention Klay, because almost no one said he was washed despite missing 2 straight seasons to severe injuries. His first game back was such a circus that an injured player started the game injured so he could be recorded as having started with him on that game. When they were sitting top before Klay came back, people were saying If he’s 80% then it’s game over for the league.
Meanwhile, Heat fans being excited about Dipo come back is almost unanimously met with “he washed”.

I am not calling him washed. I am just calling out Heat fans who are saying his return is a huge boost to them. We have absolutely NO IDEA of what he has got, so to say his return is some kind of huge addition is kinda silly....especially given that he has not been a productive player in almost FOUR years.

Do you disagree with that?

[MHeat0279]

I am not even sure what this means. This is not about Klay Thompson. This is about Victor Oladipo.

The guy has not played a full season since 2017-18. He has played 52 games since the injury, and he was at best a replacement-level player. Until he goes out on the court and has at least 10-15 games under his belt, ANY projection of what the Heat might get from him is nothing more than a guess.

My problem is Heat fans talking about his return as some kind of upgrade. How about we watch him play for a month first - OK?

Can the converse be applied then? Can we wait a month before calling him washed? I think he’ll be rusty and just kinda helpful this season. Next season is when I’m expecting to see what he’ll be long term for the Heat.

I mention Klay, because almost no one said he was washed despite missing 2 straight seasons to severe injuries. His first game back was such a circus that an injured player started the game injured so he could be recorded as having started with him on that game. When they were sitting top before Klay came back, people were saying If he’s 80% then it’s game over for the league.
Meanwhile, Heat fans being excited about Dipo come back is almost unanimously met with “he washed”.

I am not calling him washed. I am just calling out Heat fans who are saying his return is a huge boost to them. We have absolutely NO IDEA of what he has got, so to say his return is some kind of huge addition is kinda silly....especially given that he has not been a productive player in almost FOUR years.

Do you disagree with that?

All we need is his pesky defense for now, something he showed he is very capable of doing even with one broken knee by the games he played before surgery. Whatever points he contributes will be a bonus, he looked very good and athletic in the few games he played for us, somebody that can penetrate at will and brakedown opposing defenses will be really beneficial for us.

[puppa bear]

I am not even sure what this means. This is not about Klay Thompson. This is about Victor Oladipo.

The guy has not played a full season since 2017-18. He has played 52 games since the injury, and he was at best a replacement-level player. Until he goes out on the court and has at least 10-15 games under his belt, ANY projection of what the Heat might get from him is nothing more than a guess.

My problem is Heat fans talking about his return as some kind of upgrade. How about we watch him play for a month first - OK?

Can the converse be applied then? Can we wait a month before calling him washed? I think he’ll be rusty and just kinda helpful this season. Next season is when I’m expecting to see what he’ll be long term for the Heat.

I mention Klay, because almost no one said he was washed despite missing 2 straight seasons to severe injuries. His first game back was such a circus that an injured player started the game injured so he could be recorded as having started with him on that game. When they were sitting top before Klay came back, people were saying If he’s 80% then it’s game over for the league.
Meanwhile, Heat fans being excited about Dipo come back is almost unanimously met with “he washed”.

I am not calling him washed. I am just calling out Heat fans who are saying his return is a huge boost to them. We have absolutely NO IDEA of what he has got, so to say his return is some kind of huge addition is kinda silly....especially given that he has not been a productive player in almost FOUR years.

Do you disagree with that?

I disagree with the idea that he hasn’t been productive in four years. He may not have been the most efficient version of himself or even all-star level. But we’re not expecting that. He’s averaged around 15/5/5 during those 4 years.

If we get 80% of that - 12/4/4 - then it’s a pretty good pickup for the Heat. If we don’t, but his D is strong enough to play him next to Herro then he’ll still be an upgrade.

We have no idea, but we’re fans. Let us be positive about our player returning.