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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1241 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue Mar 8, 2022 2:48 am

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I don't know if the Celtic owners will be willing to be a tax payer next season.

If the Celts keep Horford then the Celts' player salaries will be somewhere around 150m next season.

It's true that what Al provides is difficult to replace, but the Celtic owners have a reputation of being cheap.


I think Wyc understands the lux tax system because he helped design it. The idea is to pay it for championship team not pay it as the cost of doing business because that is stupid.

Boston was a tax payer in 2018 one of 5 teams. In 2019 there were 4 teams the last 2 years have been 7 teams with some outrageous bills being racked up by GS and BRK. Most teams are over one year and then under again this year the bill is over 600 million dollars 50% of which will be distributed to teams under the tax.

I think Boston is willing to pay the tax for a star talent to pair with the J's to try and win a title. I am not sure Al Horford is going to be that guy. In a short sample Theis' numbers are back to being the fantastic stuff they were his first time around so I am not sure how much Boston loses be giving Al's mins to Theis and Grant Williams.

Turning Al's money into another max or near max player is the prudent if somewhat cold-hearted thing to do.


I think Al/RW combination of agility, strength, shot blocking and passing is the unique ingredient making this team special right now. I don’t think Theis or GW next to RW can bring such an elite interior wall of defense against elite NBA offenses that we are seeing from Al/RW. I think they do come close making them perfect rotation players but we would need to replace Al with somebody better than Theis to get past second rounds of playoffs in my opinion. Of course Al is declining and not worth his max salary…but is cutting him to save a mere 12 million really worth it? I don’t think so. I do also agree with trading him for a better younger max player if that were possible.



I'm just saying...who are you getting to equal his impact on the floor? Not saying it's not possible but you don't just trade Al to trade Al. That's dumb. If you have an obvious deal of course he's movable. I just highly doubt such a deal will come along unless you are including significant assets along in a deal to move him. The kind of team that would want Al are gonna be in exactly the same situation as us and thus, probably not inclined to give up much in return.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1242 » by steefP2 » Tue Mar 8, 2022 9:29 am

Celtics have been league average in 3point % in 2022 with still room to grow (Jaylen and Tatum). That’ll do I think
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1243 » by steefP2 » Tue Mar 8, 2022 1:58 pm



This that real good stuff
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1244 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Mar 8, 2022 2:33 pm

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This that real good stuff


It really is, everyone here should watch it.

Also, him stressing how using Jaylen more as a play finisher as opposed to initiator has really helped both the offense and Jaylen himself. I can’t put my finger on why, but that sounds so very familiar ;)
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1245 » by sully00 » Tue Mar 8, 2022 3:32 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
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I think Wyc understands the lux tax system because he helped design it. The idea is to pay it for championship team not pay it as the cost of doing business because that is stupid.

Boston was a tax payer in 2018 one of 5 teams. In 2019 there were 4 teams the last 2 years have been 7 teams with some outrageous bills being racked up by GS and BRK. Most teams are over one year and then under again this year the bill is over 600 million dollars 50% of which will be distributed to teams under the tax.

I think Boston is willing to pay the tax for a star talent to pair with the J's to try and win a title. I am not sure Al Horford is going to be that guy. In a short sample Theis' numbers are back to being the fantastic stuff they were his first time around so I am not sure how much Boston loses be giving Al's mins to Theis and Grant Williams.

Turning Al's money into another max or near max player is the prudent if somewhat cold-hearted thing to do.


I think Al/RW combination of agility, strength, shot blocking and passing is the unique ingredient making this team special right now. I don’t think Theis or GW next to RW can bring such an elite interior wall of defense against elite NBA offenses that we are seeing from Al/RW. I think they do come close making them perfect rotation players but we would need to replace Al with somebody better than Theis to get past second rounds of playoffs in my opinion. Of course Al is declining and not worth his max salary…but is cutting him to save a mere 12 million really worth it? I don’t think so. I do also agree with trading him for a better younger max player if that were possible.



I'm just saying...who are you getting to equal his impact on the floor? Not saying it's not possible but you don't just trade Al to trade Al. That's dumb. If you have an obvious deal of course he's movable. I just highly doubt such a deal will come along unless you are including significant assets along in a deal to move him. The kind of team that would want Al are gonna be in exactly the same situation as us and thus, probably not inclined to give up much in return.


Well two roads in that scenario. Yes bottom line your looking to package Al's contract and a pile of draft picks for another star. This is why Brad included the pick swap instead of another pick he stills has 6 1st rounders to include 3 of in a trade. I think the first set of targets are going to be trades of players with established contracts because it keeps you away from the hard cap. Then your looking at S&T opportunities but now the hard cap comes into play. I think Theis and Grant allow Boston not to have to focus on a big man to address the loss of Al.

Like I said that road is a little cold hearted because Al is great guy who plays hard but that road is coming to an end. The other road is what you do if you can't find that type of deal. You may be able to renegotiate a deal with Al that works for the team. He gets 14.5 mil to go home, would he take a 3 year deal at that number or close with the some limited guarantees on year 3? If not you can looking at waiving him and stretching him to create lux tax space.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1246 » by Dannyboy36 » Tue Mar 8, 2022 4:11 pm

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I’m having so much fun with this team over this stretch. Was celebrating this win watching highlights banging my head to some instrumentals.
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Post#1247 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Mar 8, 2022 5:10 pm

So I won't get accused of posting only good stat things when Cs are rolling...
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Post#1248 » by djFan71 » Tue Mar 8, 2022 5:35 pm

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Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Do we have Horford thread ? I couldn't find one that's not about his contract specifically and with the post season around the corner, Playoff Al is about to be activated so I need to know what thread to bump when the time comes.

Meanwhile, Il'll just drop this friendly reminder that in his 15-year career Horford has missed the playoffs only once and that particular year his team shut him down because he was winning them too many games. Add two national championships in college too. He's pretty good at the winning basketball games thing.


Pressure is on. I've been trying to reach my youngest daughter (15 months) to do the Uncle Clappy clap when big Al makes a play.
Had some success this week, as she started clapping along, but it was like a polite little golf clap. Might have to resort to chocolate-based bribery to get the big claps going.

Nice! I assume she is returning the favor and teaching you how to flinch when she shoots FTs on the nerf hoop?
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1249 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Mar 8, 2022 8:10 pm

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Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Do we have Horford thread ? I couldn't find one that's not about his contract specifically and with the post season around the corner, Playoff Al is about to be activated so I need to know what thread to bump when the time comes.

Meanwhile, Il'll just drop this friendly reminder that in his 15-year career Horford has missed the playoffs only once and that particular year his team shut him down because he was winning them too many games. Add two national championships in college too. He's pretty good at the winning basketball games thing.


Pressure is on. I've been trying to reach my youngest daughter (15 months) to do the Uncle Clappy clap when big Al makes a play.
Had some success this week, as she started clapping along, but it was like a polite little golf clap. Might have to resort to chocolate-based bribery to get the big claps going.

Nice! I assume she is returning the favor and teaching you how to flinch when she shoots FTs on the nerf hoop?


Heh...
She has one of those little suction cap backboards (Celtics of course) but she's really not interested.
Instead she likes to use a women's game ball (both my older daughter's play) rolls it back and forth with whoever sits still long enough.

So of course I'm hoping that makes her the next Lauren Jackson or Penny Taylor.

Between my 2 daughters playing (one of them twice a week), and me coaching and playing twice a week the baby has been at a LOT of local basketball games. Hoping that works it's way into her brain and she uses her chalkboard to start designing ATO plays soon...
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1250 » by djFan71 » Tue Mar 8, 2022 8:43 pm

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Pressure is on. I've been trying to reach my youngest daughter (15 months) to do the Uncle Clappy clap when big Al makes a play.
Had some success this week, as she started clapping along, but it was like a polite little golf clap. Might have to resort to chocolate-based bribery to get the big claps going.

Nice! I assume she is returning the favor and teaching you how to flinch when she shoots FTs on the nerf hoop?


Heh...
She has one of those little suction cap backboards (Celtics of course) but she's really not interested.
Instead she likes to use a women's game ball (both my older daughter's play) rolls it back and forth with whoever sits still long enough.

So of course I'm hoping that makes her the next Lauren Jackson or Penny Taylor.

Between my 2 daughters playing (one of them twice a week), and me coaching and playing twice a week the baby has been at a LOT of local basketball games. Hoping that works it's way into her brain and she uses her chalkboard to start designing ATO plays soon...

LJ was awesome. I was in Seattle for her whole career. Dominant player, seemed super chill off court. Hung out at an Aussie bar in our neighborhood sometimes.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1251 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Mar 8, 2022 9:09 pm

djFan71 wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Nice! I assume she is returning the favor and teaching you how to flinch when she shoots FTs on the nerf hoop?


Heh...
She has one of those little suction cap backboards (Celtics of course) but she's really not interested.
Instead she likes to use a women's game ball (both my older daughter's play) rolls it back and forth with whoever sits still long enough.

So of course I'm hoping that makes her the next Lauren Jackson or Penny Taylor.

Between my 2 daughters playing (one of them twice a week), and me coaching and playing twice a week the baby has been at a LOT of local basketball games. Hoping that works it's way into her brain and she uses her chalkboard to start designing ATO plays soon...

LJ was awesome. I was in Seattle for her whole career. Dominant player, seemed super chill off court. Hung out at an Aussie bar in our neighborhood sometimes.


I went and watched play in the Aussie league about...I dunno...9 years ago maybe? She was matched up against a young Liz Cambage. Pretty good matchup to watch in a stadium holding a couple of thousand people or so.

After the game all the players had left for the lockerrooms except LJ. Just grabbed a little plastic chair and a table, setup in midvourt, and signed autographs and had photos until there was no one left that wanted one.

Absolute legend.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1252 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Mar 8, 2022 10:34 pm



This was a really good breakdown why we're winning 5 straight banner 18s.
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Post#1253 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Mar 8, 2022 11:06 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

This was a really good breakdown why we're winning 5 straight banner 18s.


I thought we'd decided it was 7-10, depending how you feel about breaking Mr Russell's record?

Sidenote, I'd love us to win 7 in a row, then deliberately tank for a whole season, just to leave Bill's record unbroken, grabbing the #1 pick in the draft as we do so. Probably only got a 10-20% chance of happening though, right?
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1254 » by 1st banana » Wed Mar 9, 2022 12:52 am

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This that real good stuff


It really is, everyone here should watch it.

Also, him stressing how using Jaylen more as a play finisher as opposed to initiator has really helped both the offense and Jaylen himself. I can’t put my finger on why, but that sounds so very familiar ;)

Fantastic video.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1255 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Mar 9, 2022 12:55 am

steefP2 wrote:

This that real good stuff

This is what we get from taking a long 6-hr hiatus from the site. Didn't see you posted this already.

Anyway, video so good there's no harm posting it again lol. Touched on Cs D, Tatum's improved decision-making, Smart as PG, etc.
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Post#1256 » by Fierce1 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 12:56 am

Yeah, great video. :nod:
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Post#1257 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Mar 9, 2022 1:14 am

The Celtics in general rank very well in the highly regarded LEBRON, Tatum and Al especially so. The first picture is the overall stat, our guys are 7/8, Tatum a fraction behind CP3, 4.16 to 4.15. The next is their wins added, Tatum tied with Giannis at #3, and Al isn’t too far behind, which matches the eye test. And lord, Tatum is a god damn workhorse.

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Post#1258 » by BK_2020 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 1:26 am

The Comedian wrote:The Celtics in general rank very well in the highly regarded LEBRON, Tatum and Al especially so. The first picture is the overall stat, our guys are 7/8, Tatum a fraction behind CP3, 4.16 to 4.15. The next is their wins added, Tatum tied with Giannis at #3, and Al isn’t too far behind, which matches the eye test. And lord, Tatum is a god damn workhorse.

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Tatum playing 500+ more minutes than Embiid is probably one of the more significant stats. Tatum deserves some MVP nods but won't get any since NBA followers are tunnel-visioned on to per game numbers.
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Post#1259 » by Jaqua92 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 6:17 am

Tatum shouldn't be getting any real MVP nods, not because of his lack of per game numbers, but because of the seeding. When Celtics are in the top 2 seed, he's gonna win an MVP.


Thinking Basketball endorsed the Celtics being good enough, if they're clicking, to make the finals.

He attributes Tatum's improvement as a playmaker and Ime's defensive coaching as the two biggest factors.

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Post#1260 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:55 pm

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