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somerandomdude wrote:When Markieff Morris returns, whose minutes does he take?
I'm thinking Caleb gets sac'd, which is a crying shame for how well he's played.
AirP. wrote:somerandomdude wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Nah no way he gets Caleb’s minutes. He’s not near the level of player Oladipo is. The ship has sailed on him imo, somethings wrong if he comes back and takes Caleb’s minutes
The reason I bring it up is because Caleb's been getting the bulk of his minutes at backup PF.
So the consensus is that Markieff is out of the rotation, then, or situational depending on playoff matchups.
I don't disagree and I think the team has moved on, I just don't know if Spo will see it that way considering Keef's a vet and "obligations" and whatnot.
Miami/Spoelstra could have brought Morris back since the 2nd week of December but haven't. Weeks ago they said he was healthy but ramping up his activity although he looks it pretty good shape.
Kobewade11 wrote:somerandomdude wrote:When Markieff Morris returns, whose minutes does he take?
I'm thinking Caleb gets sac'd, which is a crying shame for how well he's played.
I actually see Kieff getting some of Dedmon’s minutes. If spo has a choice between a real center and a tweener I have no doubt he’s going with the tweener.
carnageta wrote:Bam is a better all-arounder defender than Gobert. Rudy is greater at locking down the paint, and that's about it.
In the modern NBA it's simply more beneficiary to have versatile defensive bigs (Adebayo, Antetokounmpo, Draymond, etc. etc.) due to the offensive schemes that are ran nowadays. Gobert literally got played off of the court in that Lakers game because he was too much of a liability on the perimeter. Bam would never.
dshearn wrote:AirP. wrote:somerandomdude wrote:The reason I bring it up is because Caleb's been getting the bulk of his minutes at backup PF.
So the consensus is that Markieff is out of the rotation, then, or situational depending on playoff matchups.
I don't disagree and I think the team has moved on, I just don't know if Spo will see it that way considering Keef's a vet and "obligations" and whatnot.
Miami/Spoelstra could have brought Morris back since the 2nd week of December but haven't. Weeks ago they said he was healthy but ramping up his activity although he looks it pretty good shape.
Eh,
Don't you think it's fair to say Keiff put on some weight while out?
I suspect he got dog housed for conditioning. He looked noticeably puffy there for a time...like fat harden puffy.
twix2500 wrote:somerandomdude wrote:So the next question I have is, do you guys see Herro and Dipo being too redundant and taking shots away from each other?
Herro played his best last night with Dipo off the floor and slowed down when Dipo was in.
Not to hate on Duncan, but I think this would all work out better if Dipo were in the SL and Duncan came off the bench.
Or the Heat are going to have put Herro and Dipo in spot up 3 situations to space the floor for each other.
Either way, it looks like a tough challenge in terms of maximizing both players when they're on the court. Best case is Curry/Klay type role.
And fwiw, I'm not talking out of my ass here; both Herro and Dipo were asked this question and hinted at knowing there's a challenge to both of them playing together.Spoiler:Spoiler:
You taking too much from last night to look at stats as indication how the chemistry will work. Last night the players just wanted to insure Dipo some touches to get him comfortable again.
Dipo and Herro are not redundant. Dipo is a better ball handler out of Herro and Vincent. Dipo can handle press defense and get the offense set. He will draw the press defender away from Herro. Herro can focus using his ball handling coming off screens or in the open court. Dipo also a better drive and kick player than Herro. Dipo will put rim pressure on opponents and he is good at corner 3s. Herro can focus on shooting mid range and from three on the wings.
We are gonna see a lot of Herro at the small forward position. In all it should make Herro a more efficient player. Herro score 31 pts on 18 shots instead of 22 plus shots and getting 26 pts
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herro bros playing for miami that would be something isntsomerandomdude wrote:
carnageta wrote:
Beal's going to secure the bag and preach loyalty, and then request a trade the next offseason as the team "isn't moving in the right direction".
Classic move.
oreon wrote:twix2500 wrote:somerandomdude wrote:So the next question I have is, do you guys see Herro and Dipo being too redundant and taking shots away from each other?
Herro played his best last night with Dipo off the floor and slowed down when Dipo was in.
Not to hate on Duncan, but I think this would all work out better if Dipo were in the SL and Duncan came off the bench.
Or the Heat are going to have put Herro and Dipo in spot up 3 situations to space the floor for each other.
Either way, it looks like a tough challenge in terms of maximizing both players when they're on the court. Best case is Curry/Klay type role.
And fwiw, I'm not talking out of my ass here; both Herro and Dipo were asked this question and hinted at knowing there's a challenge to both of them playing together.Spoiler:Spoiler:
You taking too much from last night to look at stats as indication how the chemistry will work. Last night the players just wanted to insure Dipo some touches to get him comfortable again.
Dipo and Herro are not redundant. Dipo is a better ball handler out of Herro and Vincent. Dipo can handle press defense and get the offense set. He will draw the press defender away from Herro. Herro can focus using his ball handling coming off screens or in the open court. Dipo also a better drive and kick player than Herro. Dipo will put rim pressure on opponents and he is good at corner 3s. Herro can focus on shooting mid range and from three on the wings.
We are gonna see a lot of Herro at the small forward position. In all it should make Herro a more efficient player. Herro score 31 pts on 18 shots instead of 22 plus shots and getting 26 pts
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Noooo. Herro needs to continue to mix it up by attacking the rim & using floaters. He needs to be a balanced scorer otherwise he will never be efficient. All shooters go through cold stretches but great scorers can get to the rim & FTs to offset bad shooting. Herro def has a chance to be a top 15 player but he needs to figure out how to constantly get those paint and FT points. If he's inefficient by missing a bunch of shots near the rim and some floaters, I don't care as much. If he's inefficient taking longs 2s and pull up 3s then that's an issue. In the playoffs it would be a different story, he would have to take shots he can make. But regular season, he has to be conscious on trying to get paint points.
twix2500 wrote:oreon wrote:twix2500 wrote:
You taking too much from last night to look at stats as indication how the chemistry will work. Last night the players just wanted to insure Dipo some touches to get him comfortable again.
Dipo and Herro are not redundant. Dipo is a better ball handler out of Herro and Vincent. Dipo can handle press defense and get the offense set. He will draw the press defender away from Herro. Herro can focus using his ball handling coming off screens or in the open court. Dipo also a better drive and kick player than Herro. Dipo will put rim pressure on opponents and he is good at corner 3s. Herro can focus on shooting mid range and from three on the wings.
We are gonna see a lot of Herro at the small forward position. In all it should make Herro a more efficient player. Herro score 31 pts on 18 shots instead of 22 plus shots and getting 26 pts
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Noooo. Herro needs to continue to mix it up by attacking the rim & using floaters. He needs to be a balanced scorer otherwise he will never be efficient. All shooters go through cold stretches but great scorers can get to the rim & FTs to offset bad shooting. Herro def has a chance to be a top 15 player but he needs to figure out how to constantly get those paint and FT points. If he's inefficient by missing a bunch of shots near the rim and some floaters, I don't care as much. If he's inefficient taking longs 2s and pull up 3s then that's an issue. In the playoffs it would be a different story, he would have to take shots he can make. But regular season, he has to be conscious on trying to get paint points.
Its not about only shooting jumpers. Its about getting him easier shots. Its not, if there a lane not take it. Its about put him in space where he can operate. The opportunity to throw floaters is because he has space in the paint. He is taking 18 shots a games, I'm not saying taking 18 three pt shots. Herro is a jump shooter first that sets up his drives. Dipo is a drive first player that sets up his jumper. Dipo can drive in tight spaces around the rim and makes plays better than Herro, better than anyone on this team. Dipo is gonna get to the line a lot more Herro. When Herro jumper is on, the rest of his game becomes easier. Because you want opponents to start overplaying his jumper to make space for his drives.
You have to understand the nature of their games. Put them in spots where they use their strengths and get them to take the type of shots they are best at. AirP brought up the point about how will Herro deal with teams game planning for him. Well if you are a Heat coach you want to have a game plan that will not allow teams to be able to strictly game plan for Herro. That is one reason bringing him off the bench is an effective way of using him and adding Dipo next to Herro makes it more difficult for teams to game plan for Dipo. Its makes the Heat a more versatile team which makes it very difficult for opponents to game plan for.
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somerandomdude wrote:Post ASG
twix2500 wrote:Example of making it difficult to game plan to defend Herro. Teams that have been effective at defending Herro have used pressure guards against him. The will press him at halfcourt and get him to take rush shots or get ripped for turnovers because he is not good at handling presses. Having Gabe and Dipo on the court teams can not put a press guard on Herro because they will have to put that player on Dipo and Gabe. That allows Herro to be matched up against a player who he has an advantage on and allows him to play in Space.
