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Post#141 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:24 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:KD and Kyrie are going to have to combine for 100 points tomorrow for us to even have a chance versus Philly. Nash basically is a handicap to this team.


I'm not super worried about Philly. They are not some great team and after the trade they really lack depth. They had to sign Deandre Jordan to play significant minutes. After there starting 5 they have

Milton
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Deandre/Niang

They have a similar issue to what we had with harden where they need to add defense next to him but dont have enough 2-way guys to do it without a small sacrafice. so outside of embiid they lack size and they have thybule who you can help off of.

I'm not saying we dont still have to overcome Nash. We still need 75+ from KD/Kyrie to beat ANYONE. but it being philly doesnt make t all that much tougher. We match up better with philly now then we did before the trade when they had drummond to kill us with second chances and curry to hit open three after open three.
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Post#142 » by GTR11 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:33 pm

NetsJets wrote:Thank goodness we built up a big lead otherwise this would’ve been a loss. Thank goodness for Kyrie Irving because he hit some big shots when Charlotte was making their push. Big win tonight.


They just don't have 2nd star to LaMelo. Not even star, legit 20 pt scorer. Last game vs Saltics? Won't be a case vs team like ATL or Craptors.
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Post#143 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:44 pm

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NetsJets wrote:Thank goodness we built up a big lead otherwise this would’ve been a loss. Thank goodness for Kyrie Irving because he hit some big shots when Charlotte was making their push. Big win tonight.


They just don't have 2nd star to LaMelo. Not even star, legit 20 pt scorer. Last game vs Saltics? Won't be a case vs team like ATL or Craptors.


They're going to have to draft that guy. Heyward being hurt didn't help them
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Post#144 » by gigantes » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:46 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Well, KD and Kyrie have pretty much shared my thoughts about Harden. I can't blame him if he thinks Philly is a better shot especially with Kyrie is part time.

It is what it is. No hard feelings. This situation isn't ideal right now.

Nope.

I won’t ever agree when this clown is out partying in between games since last season and showing up playing like he’s drunk in key games without KD, Joe Harris prior to any COVID canceled games, without Kyrie we had the #1 seed until he wanted to test free agency. He pulled a Jason Kidd/Deron Williams move...

The difference is, Kidd turned that team around in the space of a single training camp, led it to two finals against better teams, then was the balls-to-the-wall heart of the Nets for ~7 seasons before finally asking out. And that's playing through, then recovering from, normally career-killing knee issues.

So yeah, it's all very well to become unhappy about a situation, but when you dogged it going back to the offseason, and dogged it several times during the season, then the problem's just as much you as it is the situation.

IMO under-mentioned is the fact that Harris being out for the year has been a lot harder blow than most talk about. Also, Nash has chronically overplayed Harden and others, and that goes back to a Marks problem, ultimately.

In any case, Harden's light-years away from JKidd's efforts and impact for the Nets. Kyrie, too. KD deserves all the credit in the world compared to those lightweights.
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Post#145 » by MGrand15 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:59 pm

Didn't we bring in Steve Clifford as defensive consultant? WTF is he doing? We gave up 78 points in the 2nd half. These types of performances are way too regular. Some of it is awareness and BBIQ from guys but if our scheme is this sloppy in March, we need to figure it out.

The offense was encouraging. It was beautiful seeing Mills and Curry actually get open looks in the flow of the offense. I don't really understand why Johnson is playing over Edwards. He'd be A LOT better with the guys we're playing now. Not just as a spot up shooter but as a defender too. Would make life a lot easier for the 2nd unit to play with 4 shooters instead of 3.
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Post#146 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:01 pm

Fallout_3 wrote:It's a bit worrying how Dragic and Curry can play no defense at the end of the games. Hopefully this can be covered up a bit when Simmons comes back to life.

kinda saw that too... towards the final 4 mins or so, i'm thinking and watching, like this isn't a very good close out 5 on the court.... that's assuming Kyrie is playing but other than that, guard wise we be undersized and slow on the defensive front.... now maybe Simmons makes a difference, hopefully, but is he playing to begin with? maybe under 2 mins...

not very comfortable seeing who's out there.... losing bembry was just stupid lol
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Post#147 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:02 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:KD and Kyrie are going to have to combine for 100 points tomorrow for us to even have a chance versus Philly. Nash basically is a handicap to this team.


I'm not super worried about Philly. They are not some great team and after the trade they really lack depth. They had to sign Deandre Jordan to play significant minutes. After there starting 5 they have

Milton
Joe
Green
Korkmaz
Deandre/Niang

They have a similar issue to what we had with harden where they need to add defense next to him but dont have enough 2-way guys to do it without a small sacrafice. so outside of embiid they lack size and they have thybule who you can help off of.

I'm not saying we dont still have to overcome Nash. We still need 75+ from KD/Kyrie to beat ANYONE. but it being philly doesnt make t all that much tougher. We match up better with philly now then we did before the trade when they had drummond to kill us with second chances and curry to hit open three after open three.


Our terrible over help defense will make it easy on Philly to me. We're going to leave Harris, Maxey etc wide open while scrambling to send three dudes at Embiid and Harden. Doc is going to take Nash to school and KD and Kyrie will have to go bonkers for us to have a chance.
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Post#148 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:11 pm

gigantes wrote:
Paradise wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Well, KD and Kyrie have pretty much shared my thoughts about Harden. I can't blame him if he thinks Philly is a better shot especially with Kyrie is part time.

It is what it is. No hard feelings. This situation isn't ideal right now.

Nope.

I won’t ever agree when this clown is out partying in between games since last season and showing up playing like he’s drunk in key games without KD, Joe Harris prior to any COVID canceled games, without Kyrie we had the #1 seed until he wanted to test free agency. He pulled a Jason Kidd/Deron Williams move...

The difference is, Kidd turned that team around in the space of a single training camp, led it to two finals against better teams, then was the balls-to-the-wall heart of the Nets for ~7 seasons before finally asking out. And that's playing through, then recovering from, normally career-killing knee issues.

So yeah, it's all very well to become unhappy about a situation, but when you dogged it going back to the offseason, and dogged it several times during the season, then the problem's just as much you as it is the situation.

IMO under-mentioned is the fact that Harris being out for the year has been a lot harder blow than most talk about. Also, Nash has chronically overplayed Harden and others, and that goes back to a Marks problem, ultimately.

In any case, Harden's light-years away from JKidd's efforts and impact for the Nets. Kyrie, too. KD deserves all the credit in the world compared to those lightweights.

can't figure out the most of us ages here but certainly some ideas, give or take, but i think I can speak for mostly that times are different now...

back in the 90s(me) thru early 00s, players played, played thru great adversity whether it being injuries or poor team rosters....

over these years, the diva/me first attitudes are infecting a lot players and new ones coming into the league, that this ish is tolerated and work off of. It's really stupid and such a weak sign the NBA has to deal with.

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Post#149 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:14 pm

I know I hated it last year in the playoffs, but Nash tighten the rotations last night. How does everyone feel about that?

I personally don't like it..... we're relying too much on older, slower guys playing higher minutes which eventually shows up at the end of games... we ain't blowing anyone out.

Cam and Edwards, hell I liked Duke too, they need to run with this team.

Claxton should be out there more but we all know he played bcuz LMA was out.

With the stagnant flow on offense, even Blake should've got a whiff to help at the 4/5 spot, but nope...
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Post#150 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:39 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Well, KD and Kyrie have pretty much shared my thoughts about Harden. I can't blame him if he thinks Philly is a better shot especially with Kyrie is part time.

It is what it is. No hard feelings. This situation isn't ideal right now.


If Harden wanted to leave he could do it in the off season.

Demanding a trade and quitting was absolutely unacceptable. And can never be defended.

He **** us over so badly. All he had to do was play out the season.


I don't understand why you wanted to keep someone that had clearly wanted out of here.

Harden had every right to request a trade. What he didn't have the right to do was be unprofessional about it.


Because we got no return!!!

No I don't think its cool to demand a trade right after your forced us to give up all our assets and demanded to be here. Thats insane.

We had Kevin Durant on the team. Try and win a Championship.

Leave for Philly in the off season.
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Post#151 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:41 pm

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Prokorov wrote:tell your agent to go to work. but your on a max deal, you play until your moved. period. He also probably cost us 1-2 assets by quitting lowering his value.

Double standards Prokorov in full force. Excusing Kyrie for everything he did but Harden couldnt fly to Vegas. He was even available to play lol. Unreal.


Kyrie was 1000x better his last Celtics season than Harden was this year.

Yeah he caused some problems. He also led you to a top 4 seed while putting up an All NBA season.

Harden was fat, sucked all year and then quit.
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Post#152 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:43 pm

Joe Harris injury really killed us.

He would be the perfect wing to play with this lineup.

We are now bizarrely undersized.

Kyrie/Curry makes us too small.
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Post#153 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:45 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:I know I hated it last year in the playoffs, but Nash tighten the rotations last night. How does everyone feel about that?

I personally don't like it..... we're relying too much on older, slower guys playing higher minutes which eventually shows up at the end of games... we ain't blowing anyone out.

Cam and Edwards, hell I liked Duke too, they need to run with this team.

Claxton should be out there more but we all know he played bcuz LMA was out.

With the stagnant flow on offense, even Blake should've got a whiff to help at the 4/5 spot, but nope...

Our playoffs have started. Guys need to be in playoff shape. Pretty much every playoff team ever shortens their rotations to about 8 players in the playoffs. KD is coming back off a long layoff. He needs to get his conditioning back.

My concern is that Nash is selecting the wrong 8 rather than the fact that he's only playing about 8.
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Post#154 » by GTR11 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:47 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:I know I hated it last year in the playoffs, but Nash tighten the rotations last night. How does everyone feel about that?

I personally don't like it..... we're relying too much on older, slower guys playing higher minutes which eventually shows up at the end of games... we ain't blowing anyone out.

Cam and Edwards, hell I liked Duke too, they need to run with this team.

Claxton should be out there more but we all know he played bcuz LMA was out.

With the stagnant flow on offense, even Blake should've got a whiff to help at the 4/5 spot, but nope...

I think it's about time and warranted. Only thing I'd keep flexible is C rotation. Blake, LMA, Dre and Nic all should be in play for match up reasons. Other than that, KD - Kyrie - Curry - Patty - Brown and Dragic should get heavy dose of min.
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Post#155 » by GTR11 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:52 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Joe Harris injury really killed us.

He would be the perfect wing to play with this lineup.

We are now bizarrely undersized.

Kyrie/Curry makes us too small.


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Post#156 » by GTR11 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:54 pm

I just can't believe what I read :o :noway:

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Post#157 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Mar 9, 2022 4:05 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:I know I hated it last year in the playoffs, but Nash tighten the rotations last night. How does everyone feel about that?

I personally don't like it..... we're relying too much on older, slower guys playing higher minutes which eventually shows up at the end of games... we ain't blowing anyone out.

Cam and Edwards, hell I liked Duke too, they need to run with this team.

Claxton should be out there more but we all know he played bcuz LMA was out.

With the stagnant flow on offense, even Blake should've got a whiff to help at the 4/5 spot, but nope...

Our playoffs have started. Guys need to be in playoff shape. Pretty much every playoff team ever shortens their rotations to about 8 players in the playoffs. KD is coming back off a long layoff. He needs to get his conditioning back.

My concern is that Nash is selecting the wrong 8 rather than the fact that he's only playing about 8.

see, I understand that but i don't think this roster is built that way nor is it currently available for that strict players only play.

Lots of playoff team, all?, have those 8 players who can play those staggering minutes at both ends to the best of their ability without compromise.

However, I don't see Dragic, LMA, James Johnson, Brown, nor KY(away only) n KD sustaining top performance throughout. mind you it will be a battle of a series every time the further they god. We don't have horses nor talent to restrict to slow, older players... only two of them are offensively gifted but even they will run into brick walls.

Turnovers and opponents hustle/energy are so harmful to this group of players... we are vulnerable to that imo.
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Post#158 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 9, 2022 4:06 pm

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NetsJets wrote:Thank goodness we built up a big lead otherwise this would’ve been a loss. Thank goodness for Kyrie Irving because he hit some big shots when Charlotte was making their push. Big win tonight.


They just don't have 2nd star to LaMelo. Not even star, legit 20 pt scorer. Last game vs Saltics? Won't be a case vs team like ATL or Craptors.


Bridges is giving them 19.9 ppg on 48 TS%. I think they believe he can be that guy. He is going to need to be since heyward is expensive and they are too good to land another top 5 picks. Historically, not a hugr FA destination either. Washington is an excellent role guy but he wont be worth his salary. plumlees production could be had for the minimum, i think he makes 10+ a year. their GM ahs some work to do
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Post#159 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 9, 2022 4:12 pm

gigantes wrote:
Paradise wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Well, KD and Kyrie have pretty much shared my thoughts about Harden. I can't blame him if he thinks Philly is a better shot especially with Kyrie is part time.

It is what it is. No hard feelings. This situation isn't ideal right now.

Nope.

I won’t ever agree when this clown is out partying in between games since last season and showing up playing like he’s drunk in key games without KD, Joe Harris prior to any COVID canceled games, without Kyrie we had the #1 seed until he wanted to test free agency. He pulled a Jason Kidd/Deron Williams move...

The difference is, Kidd turned that team around in the space of a single training camp, led it to two finals against better teams, then was the balls-to-the-wall heart of the Nets for ~7 seasons before finally asking out. And that's playing through, then recovering from, normally career-killing knee issues.

So yeah, it's all very well to become unhappy about a situation, but when you dogged it going back to the offseason, and dogged it several times during the season, then the problem's just as much you as it is the situation.

IMO under-mentioned is the fact that Harris being out for the year has been a lot harder blow than most talk about. Also, Nash has chronically overplayed Harden and others, and that goes back to a Marks problem, ultimately.

In any case, Harden's light-years away from JKidd's efforts and impact for the Nets. Kyrie, too. KD deserves all the credit in the world compared to those lightweights.


Harden and Kyrie are very different situations. Harden flat out quit on this team. it was up to him. it was completely his decision. he wasnt in shape, and seeing how quick it happened in philly, he could have gotten in shape here any time he wanted.

Kyrie's thing was much more complex and had less to do with a lack of commitment to the team then him being somewhere between a woke hippie and a conspiracy nutjob. BUT... you knew that coming in with Kyrie. Marks knew it and KD knew it and they accepted it...

If your marks its like... well yeah if a once in 100 years panedmic comes down and then we are one of 2 states with a mandate then that could maybe cause some problems. you take that risk every time. this is the other side of the risk and since we are the nets OF COURSE a pandemic happened and of course our state has some idiotic mandate that goes away but somehow doesnt go away.

Kyrie stayed in shape, and gives his all every second in practice and on the court. Give me the guy who wants to be here but misses games because of work-life conflict over the guy who is available every game but doesnt want to be here, doesnt play hard, doesnt travel wit the team, and quits on us.
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Post#160 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 9, 2022 4:15 pm

GTR11 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Joe Harris injury really killed us.

He would be the perfect wing to play with this lineup.

We are now bizarrely undersized.

Kyrie/Curry makes us too small.


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GSW didn't play Embiid or Giannis lol

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