Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

Madhouse · Post #1181 » by **Madhouse** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 5:09 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Mobley likely wins it unless Raps can get on a roll here to close out the season and he puts up 16pts+ 7reb+ and good defense

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Dalek · Post #1182 » by **Dalek** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 6:33 pm

Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Mobley likely wins it unless Raps can get on a roll here to close out the season and he puts up 16pts+ 7reb+ and good defense

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Mobley's lead has been shrinking

This will be a critical stage of the season. Yes, the NBA might just give it to Mobley regardless of how he performs after this stretch, but he is now playing without Jarrett Allen so he is going to have to take on more physicality than before. They did well against an undermanned Raptors team, but I don't think they have the same level of defense without Allen and Mobley will be under a lot more pressure to perform.

720 · Post #1183 » by **720** » Tue Mar 8, 2022 7:34 pm

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bluerap23 · Post #1184 » by **bluerap23** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:14 am

HumbleRen · Post #1185 » by **HumbleRen** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:23 am

bluerap23 wrote:

So painfully obvious that he's ready to be moved up in the pecking order. The only player in our starting lineup who actually becomes more efficient with a bigger usage.

Scottie4Bro · Post #1186 » by **Scottie4Bro** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:41 am

Yeah I'd give him the greenlight over Trent now. Clearly better player. #2 option behind Siakam, #3 when Fred returns.

No more 5th option ****. Those days are over.

dTox · Post #1187 » by **dTox** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:53 am

Dalek wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Mobley likely wins it unless Raps can get on a roll here to close out the season and he puts up 16pts+ 7reb+ and good defense

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Mobley's lead has been shrinking

This will be a critical stage of the season. Yes, the NBA might just give it to Mobley regardless of how he performs after this stretch, but he is now playing without Jarrett Allen so he is going to have to take on more physicality than before. They did well against an undermanned Raptors team, but I don't think they have the same level of defense without Allen and Mobley will be under a lot more pressure to perform.

Mobley was unreal tonight without Allen, part of me thinks he's about to turn it up a notch and those numbers are about to reach new heights without Allen.

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Madhouse · Post #1188 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 6:28 am

dTox wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Madhouse wrote:

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Mobley's lead has been shrinking

This will be a critical stage of the season. Yes, the NBA might just give it to Mobley regardless of how he performs after this stretch, but he is now playing without Jarrett Allen so he is going to have to take on more physicality than before. They did well against an undermanned Raptors team, but I don't think they have the same level of defense without Allen and Mobley will be under a lot more pressure to perform.
Mobley was unreal tonight without Allen, part of me thinks he's about to turn it up a notch and those numbers are about to reach new heights without Allen.

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I think it's been decided in voters eyes for a while anyway but you are right Mobley had 22/12/3/5/1 in this game. He had 2 very good games in a row now after being in a slump.

Barnes can give you 18/8/4 as the 3rd option instead of 5th right now but with the return of Fred I think this will settle in at 15/8/4 again and it will not lead to ROY. And then you got OG coming back soon, too.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1189 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 1:57 pm

Mobley will have more offensive touches with Allen out. Sadly, voters dont really dive into the defense too much for ROY award. It's just stats and Mobley has the highest seed between Barnes and Cade. Only way Barnes takes him over is if he get ahead of CLE in standings and he keeps producing like he has last few games.

Madhouse · Post #1190 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 2:27 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Mobley will have more offensive touches with Allen out. Sadly, voters dont really dive into the defense too much for ROY award. It's just stats and Mobley has the highest seed between Barnes and Cade. Only way Barnes takes him over is if he get ahead of CLE in standings and he keeps producing like he has last few games.

19/8/4 could get it done but then again winning and stats likely don't go hand in hand as a rookie. FVV and OG back increase the chances of winning but decrease the stats.

We'll have to settle for 1st team all rookie.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1191 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:30 pm

Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Mobley will have more offensive touches with Allen out. Sadly, voters dont really dive into the defense too much for ROY award. It's just stats and Mobley has the highest seed between Barnes and Cade. Only way Barnes takes him over is if he get ahead of CLE in standings and he keeps producing like he has last few games.

19/8/4 could get it done but then again winning and stats likely don't go hand in hand as a rookie. FVV and OG back increase the chances of winning but decrease the stats.

We'll have to settle for 1st team all rookie.

This year totally different. You rarely have 2 top 5 picks in the playoffs like Mobley and Barnes.

Raps gotta take them over in standings for Barnes to have a shot at this

Dalek · Post #1192 » by **Dalek** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:38 pm

dTox wrote:Mobley was unreal tonight without Allen, part of me thinks he's about to turn it up a notch and those numbers are about to reach new heights without Allen.

Mobley was okay against a pretty bad team. I mean performing well againt a bunch of rookies and young guys is not tough and Indy still nearly won that game. Garland dropped 41 and was the true reason they came back and won and he has a bad back.

Cleveland and Mobley likely won't lose their lead but got to keep pushing. They can't keep playing at this level with Dean Wade, Lauri M, and KLove around them.

Madhouse · Post #1193 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 3:42 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Mobley will have more offensive touches with Allen out. Sadly, voters dont really dive into the defense too much for ROY award. It's just stats and Mobley has the highest seed between Barnes and Cade. Only way Barnes takes him over is if he get ahead of CLE in standings and he keeps producing like he has last few games.

19/8/4 could get it done but then again winning and stats likely don't go hand in hand as a rookie. FVV and OG back increase the chances of winning but decrease the stats.

We'll have to settle for 1st team all rookie.

This year totally different. You rarely have 2 top 5 picks in the playoffs like Mobley and Barnes.

Raps gotta take them over in standings for Barnes to have a shot at this

That wouldn't change much.

Barnes would need massive counting stats to win it. You see Cade in the race and Detroit has won 17 games.

Barnes isn't winning just because the Raptors overtake the Cavs in the standings.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1194 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 4:35 pm

Madhouse wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
19/8/4 could get it done but then again winning and stats likely don't go hand in hand as a rookie. FVV and OG back increase the chances of winning but decrease the stats.

We'll have to settle for 1st team all rookie.

This year totally different. You rarely have 2 top 5 picks in the playoffs like Mobley and Barnes.

Raps gotta take them over in standings for Barnes to have a shot at this

That wouldn't change much.

Barnes would need massive counting stats to win it. You see Cade in the race and Detroit has won 17 games.

Barnes isn't winning just because the Raptors overtake the Cavs in the standings.

No it certainly does and makes the case better for Barnes. Both guys averaging roughly same numbers with good defense as rookies. Mobley has been #1 for most of the year from both his stats and standings. For reference, if Cade and Detroit were in 6th, he'd be #1.

HumbleRen · Post #1195 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:50 am

18 points in the 2nd half after being ignored the entire first half. 90% of it was iso attempts.

Players should get fined if they don't look for Scottie if he has a mismatch on him in the paint. It's one of our most efficient plays in the half court.

hype_2004 · Post #1196 » by **hype_2004** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:55 am

HumbleRen wrote:18 points in the 2nd half after being ignored the entire first half. 90% of it was iso attempts.

Players should get fined if they don't look for Scottie if he has a mismatch on him in the paint. It's one of our most efficient plays in the half court.

It's unstoppable, much more so than any Siakam spin and drive.

AbC? · Post #1197 » by **AbC?** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:59 am

You guys noticed at the ~4-5 minute mark of the 3rd Barnes asking to be subbed out and then looking absolutely gassed on the bench? His conditioning is not yet to the point where he can sustain high level output consistently throughout the game. That's why he can look so dominant for stretches and then passive for others. He has to pace himself.

Hopefully next year and onward we'll see a better conditioned consistently dominating version of him.

HKBOY · Post #1198 » by **HKBOY** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:00 am

You guys still remember Jabari Parker? He was supposed to be great like Scottie is. :lol:

Time flies...

Madhouse · Post #1199 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:36 am

Not exactly sure what the purpose was in the first half. We have to get him in the post consistently and let him decide what he wants to do. Either score or pass. Both usually works out. Now with Fred back there is more shooting, so it should be even easier.

As we saw in the 2nd half teams are starting to send double teams because they can't stop him in the paint. That's when you kick it out to the open 3. This is a more efficient offense than anything from OG or Gary and probably only trails Fred shooting the 3 off screens.

The elite touch on those 3-10 feet shots makes up for the lack of Morant/Zion athletic ability. The result is the same. He makes those shots on a very high frequency and we have to take advantage of that as a team.

I really liked his defense on Dejounte Murray in this game.

hype_2004 · Post #1200 » by **hype_2004** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:41 am

Madhouse wrote:Not exactly sure what the purpose was in the first half. We have to get him in the post consistently and let him decide what he wants to do. Either score or pass. Both usually works out. Now with Fred back there is more shooting, so it should be even easier.

As we saw in the 2nd half teams are starting to send double teams because they can't stop him in the paint. That's when you kick it out to the open 3. This is a more efficient offense than anything from OG or Gary and probably only trails Fred shooting the 3 off screens.

The elite touch on those 3-10 feet shots makes up for the lack of Morant/Zion athletic ability. The result is the same. He makes those shots on a very high frequency and we have to take advantage of that as a team.

I really liked his defense on Dejounte Murray in this game.

It's his huge hands(ability to palm the ball), strength, length, fundamentals and high release that makes him unstoppable at times no matter whos covering him. He eats dudes in the post, his post-game is one of the most advanced of any rookie that I've ever seen for the last 20 yrs or so and it's going to get even better.