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GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22]

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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#61 » by dckingsfan » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:14 pm

Bonscott wrote:You Deni lovers need to wake up and realize that his selection ranks right there with Jan Vesely

Small sample size? Is this sucky game and indicator that the 21 year old isn't improving year over year?

Since you are making the comparison with Vesley, Vesley was traded for Andre Miller. Do you thing Deni has no trade value? And who did you want us to pick at the time? You didn't post that. And for the record, who do you want us to draft in 2022?

Or was the post just a drive-by to derail?
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#62 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:21 pm

Bonscott wrote:You Deni lovers need to wake up and realize that his selection ranks right there with Jan Vesely

Deni ranks 3rd on the team in total minutes played despite playing our most crowded position (forward). It would appear that the coach of the Washington Wizards disagrees with you. Bad draft picks don't rank 3rd in minutes played in their 2nd season at age 20/21.

Deni also leads the team by a mile in on/off differential, which is pretty conclusive evidence that he is effective in those minutes.

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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#63 » by WallToWall » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:26 pm

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80sballboy wrote:Porzingis fading away against Coffey, who is 6-7.

Porzingis is 7’3”, that’s like leaning backwards and shooting a paper towel into the trash can for us regular people.

I can live with that shot, he just missed.

I don’t particularly like that fade-away from a 7’3”. He’s made a habit out of it, so he may not be able to stop shooting like that. If he can mix it up, and shoot going straight up, then he could probably draw a lot more fouls. What’s his percentage on those fade-always and straight-up shots, I wonder.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#64 » by FAH1223 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:37 pm

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80sballboy wrote:Porzingis fading away against Coffey, who is 6-7.

Porzingis is 7’3”, that’s like leaning backwards and shooting a paper towel into the trash can for us regular people.

I can live with that shot, he just missed.

I don’t particularly like that fade-away from a 7’3”. He’s made a habit out of it, so he may not be able to stop shooting like that. If he can mix it up, and shoot going straight up, then he could probably draw a lot more fouls. What’s his percentage on those fade-always and straight-up shots, I wonder.


Against Coffey, I'd like to have seen KP face-up and drive to the hoop, get fouled, maybe get an And1.

Can we petition for him to workout with Hakeem Olajuwon this summer? Hakeem is in GREAT shape at 59 years old.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#65 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:48 pm

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80sballboy wrote:Porzingis fading away against Coffey, who is 6-7.

Porzingis is 7’3”, that’s like leaning backwards and shooting a paper towel into the trash can for us regular people.

I can live with that shot, he just missed.

I don’t particularly like that fade-away from a 7’3”. He’s made a habit out of it, so he may not be able to stop shooting like that. If he can mix it up, and shoot going straight up, then he could probably draw a lot more fouls. What’s his percentage on those fade-always and straight-up shots, I wonder.

Yup, that's gotta be one of the lowest % shots in basketball. To me, it's crazy that a guy his size ever shoots that - especially when guarded by a much smaller player. And from that angle - decide whether or not you're going to bank it - it looked like he didn't even do that. He was really bad down the stretch - I'm guessing he was tired - which was understandable - as long as he finishes future games better.

Good tank loss - though it was depressing in real time to lose it.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#66 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:57 pm

Ruzious wrote:Reggie Jackson might be the single most inconsistent player in the NBA. One game he'll look great scoring 30 points, and the next game he'll mail it in scoring 5. There's probably a mathematical formula that pro gamblers know to tell which days he'll bring it. x = Neto to the 4th power.. uh oh.

See that - the algorithms must have had Reggie for 30 (actually 31). He'll probably get 5 next game. And Marcus Morris couldn't miss - even when we covered him well. Both of them were terrific; that's the only way they beat us. And we still should have won.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#67 » by DCZards » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:35 pm

Ruzious wrote:Yup, that's gotta be one of the lowest % shots in basketball. To me, it's crazy that a guy his size ever shoots that - especially when guarded by a much smaller player. And from that angle - decide whether or not you're going to bank it - it looked like he didn't even do that. He was really bad down the stretch - I'm guessing he was tired - which was understandable - as long as he finishes future games better.

I think over time some players grow comfortable shooting those contested midrange jumpers as fadeaways, regardless of their size or the size of the defender. It could very well be that at this point in his career Porzingis would be less comfortable and less effective shooting that jumper straight up.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#68 » by TGW » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:34 pm

If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#69 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:40 pm

TGW wrote:If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.

We shall see.

It depends on whether Beal can fit in in an additive way. He might just end up taking away reasonably efficient shots generated by the motion offense and turning them into less efficient isolation attempts. The Beal of 4-5 years ago would have been a great fit because that guy shot 37-40% from 3-point range. I'm not sure what we will get out of the 2022 Bradley Beal.

The team is 12-12 without Beal. 17-23 with him.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#70 » by closg00 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:13 pm

TGW wrote:If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.


Which team currently ahead of us do you think we'll better-than next year?
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#71 » by DCZards » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:27 pm

nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.

We shall see.

It depends on whether Beal can fit in in an additive way. He might just end up taking away reasonably efficient shots generated by the motion offense and turning them into less efficient isolation attempts. The Beal of 4-5 years ago would have been a great fit because that guy shot 37-40% from 3-point range. I'm not sure what we will get out of the 2022 Bradley Beal.

The team is 12-12 without Beal. 17-23 with him.


Why don't we give Beal the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what he plays like next to Kuz, Porzingis and a quality PG...which the Zards haven't had in 4-5 years (other than last season with Russ, which was an aberration of sorts).

When you consider the (lousy) team around Beal the last few years (especially the guard play) you kinda understand how that might have impacted his play, his role and the defenses he faced.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#72 » by Frichuela » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:39 pm

DCZards wrote:
nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.

We shall see.

It depends on whether Beal can fit in in an additive way. He might just end up taking away reasonably efficient shots generated by the motion offense and turning them into less efficient isolation attempts. The Beal of 4-5 years ago would have been a great fit because that guy shot 37-40% from 3-point range. I'm not sure what we will get out of the 2022 Bradley Beal.

The team is 12-12 without Beal. 17-23 with him.


Why don't we give Beal the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what he plays like next to Kuz, Porzingis and a quality PG...which the Zards haven't had in 4-5 years (other than last season with Russ, which was an aberration of sorts).

When you consider the (lousy) team around Beal the last few years (especially the guard play) you kinda understand how that might have impacted his play, his role and the defenses he faced.


The problem is who is the quality PG? Not many options available in the offseason...
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#73 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:47 pm

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nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.

We shall see.

It depends on whether Beal can fit in in an additive way. He might just end up taking away reasonably efficient shots generated by the motion offense and turning them into less efficient isolation attempts. The Beal of 4-5 years ago would have been a great fit because that guy shot 37-40% from 3-point range. I'm not sure what we will get out of the 2022 Bradley Beal.

The team is 12-12 without Beal. 17-23 with him.


Why don't we give Beal the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what he plays like next to Kuz, Porzingis and a quality PG...which the Zards haven't had in 4-5 years (other than last season with Russ, which was an aberration of sorts).

When you consider the (lousy) team around Beal the last few years (especially the guard play) you kinda understand how that might have impacted his play, his role and the defenses he faced.

Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt? He was pretty bad this year and made no apparent impact on winning. Indeed, over the last 4 years combined, his on/off differential is just +1.3, which is negligible. Why assume as a default that he will help a great deal next year - enough to make us a playoff team?

Note, I'm not saying affirmatively that he WON'T help. I'm just saying it's not a foregone conclusion that he will help. That's why I said "we shall see".
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#74 » by Frichuela » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:49 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:
nate33 wrote:We shall see.

It depends on whether Beal can fit in in an additive way. He might just end up taking away reasonably efficient shots generated by the motion offense and turning them into less efficient isolation attempts. The Beal of 4-5 years ago would have been a great fit because that guy shot 37-40% from 3-point range. I'm not sure what we will get out of the 2022 Bradley Beal.

The team is 12-12 without Beal. 17-23 with him.


Why don't we give Beal the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what he plays like next to Kuz, Porzingis and a quality PG...which the Zards haven't had in 4-5 years (other than last season with Russ, which was an aberration of sorts).

When you consider the (lousy) team around Beal the last few years (especially the guard play) you kinda understand how that might have impacted his play, his role and the defenses he faced.

Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt? He was pretty bad this year and made no apparent impact on winning. Indeed, over the last 4 years combined, his on/off differential is just +1.3, which is negligible. Why assume as a default that he will help a great deal next year - enough to make us a playoff team?

Note, I'm not saying affirmatively that he WON'T help. I'm just saying it's not a foregone conclusion that he will help. That's why I said "we shall see".


If the rumors of a Beal sign and trade to the Sixers for Tobias Harris are true and we could get Maxey on top I'd jump on it...
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#75 » by Dolevi » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:00 pm

I really love KP guys, he's truly amazing. Just keep him healthy and available for important games and he's the X factor. Just a wonderful trade by the Wiz.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#76 » by TGW » Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:29 am

closg00 wrote:
TGW wrote:If Beal and Porzingis can actually get through the season without major injuries, this is a playoff team in 2023.


Which team currently ahead of us do you think we'll better-than next year?


They're going to be in the bottom tier of playoff teams obviously. My guess is that the Cavs fall back to earth and back into the lottery.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#77 » by AFM » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:20 am

This is an impossible question to answer when we have no clue who our PG is.
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#78 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 5, 2022 11:48 am

Bonscott wrote:You Deni lovers need to wake up and realize that his selection ranks right there with Jan Vesely

Just curious - how did you become a Bullets fan, and why do you post so infrequently about them?
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Re: GT #64: Bullets @ Clippers 10:30 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [3/9/22] 

Post#79 » by doclinkin » Tue Apr 5, 2022 3:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Bonscott wrote:You Deni lovers need to wake up and realize that his selection ranks right there with Jan Vesely

Just curious - how did you become a Bullets fan, and why do you post so infrequently about them?


Also, is it comfortable under the bridge? Why did you not eat the first two Billy Goats Gruff and leave the big one alone. Or throw rocks at him. Do you turn to stone in the sunlight? or is that just one of those lies people tell to denigrate your kind.

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