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There's like 14 different conversations going on in this thread, and only 1 if them had to do with the epic game from Irving!!!!

On the age/fandom era discussion...

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On Irving vs Harden, it's not binary. You guys know I was a big apologist for James, based mostly on the Milwaukee series. Most superstars would not play injured against a rival, his hamstring tear was significant. Conversely, I cannot condone Irving's lack of communication and commitment at times, but his misguided heart is truly in the right place as far as wanting to win here.

Mills, Brown and Dragic will all be in the playoff rotation.

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Post#182 » by _Und3r][D4wg_ » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:39 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why isn't Blake playing?

Does anyone else find it odd that hes in the dog house?

I think hes simply much better than Johnson.

Jacque Vaughn gave Blake minutes while Nash was in CoViD protocol. With Nash back, it's immediately back to the dog house for Blake, who couldn't even sniff token minutes with the lead against CHA at its highest and the starters cooling their heels at the bench.

Steve made it clear a couple of weeks back that -- moving forward -- Drummond would be playing major minutes, as much as his conditioning could handle. This has basically turned into last season's situation where Blake rendered DeAndre Jordan as disposable upon his arrival. Now with Dre & JJ, Nash is willing to completely ignore Blake on the bench for reasons known only to him, even with LMA & Clax not playing.

To be fair, Nash should just cut Blake in favor of a Playoff spot for Edwards, and let Blake take his chances at landing with another contender and fairly competing for some PT elsewhere.
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Post#183 » by NetsWorld » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:10 pm

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Fallout_3 wrote:It's a bit worrying how Dragic and Curry can play no defense at the end of the games. Hopefully this can be covered up a bit when Simmons comes back to life.

kinda saw that too... towards the final 4 mins or so, i'm thinking and watching, like this isn't a very good close out 5 on the court.... that's assuming Kyrie is playing but other than that, guard wise we be undersized and slow on the defensive front.... now maybe Simmons makes a difference, hopefully, but is he playing to begin with? maybe under 2 mins...

not very comfortable seeing who's out there.... losing bembry was just stupid lol


I will never forgive marks for bembry.

That said I was ok with that lineup. We were not going to lose up 15 with 4 minutes left unless we turned it over a ton. so having your 3 best ball handlers in (Kyrie, Curry, Dragic) made alot of sense to me. you can live with being beat halfcourt on a mismatch. you dont want to give quick layups or open threes in transition off turnovers.


Bembry was great for what he was but him and James Larden hindered Brown’s abilities for most of the season. Brown was unlocked after those two left and Brown showed he is better than Bembry, contrary to what people actually believed. Harden’s pace killed Brown’s game. Brown likes to push the ball, Harden destroyed that. No secret Brown never liked him.
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Post#184 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:55 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why isn't Blake playing?

Does anyone else find it odd that hes in the dog house?

I think hes simply much better than Johnson.


Blake should be playing. Nash is just an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing.
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Post#185 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:57 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why isn't Blake playing?

Does anyone else find it odd that hes in the dog house?

I think hes simply much better than Johnson.

Jacque Vaughn gave Blake minutes while Nash was in CoViD protocol. With Nash back, it's immediately back to the dog house for Blake, who couldn't even sniff token minutes with the lead against CHA at its highest and the starters cooling their heels at the bench.

Steve made it clear a couple of weeks back that -- moving forward -- Drummond would be playing major minutes, as much as his conditioning could handle. This has basically turned into last season's situation where Blake rendered DeAndre Jordan as disposable upon his arrival. Now with Dre & JJ, Nash is willing to completely ignore Blake on the bench for reasons known only to him, even with LMA & Clax not playing.

To be fair, Nash should just cut Blake in favor of a Playoff spot for Edwards, and let Blake take his chances at landing with another contender and fairly competing for some PT elsewhere.


Outside of ball handling I don't know what Johnson does better than Blake.
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Post#186 » by _Und3r][D4wg_ » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:12 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why isn't Blake playing?

Does anyone else find it odd that hes in the dog house?

I think hes simply much better than Johnson.

Jacque Vaughn gave Blake minutes while Nash was in CoViD protocol. With Nash back, it's immediately back to the dog house for Blake, who couldn't even sniff token minutes with the lead against CHA at its highest and the starters cooling their heels at the bench.

Steve made it clear a couple of weeks back that -- moving forward -- Drummond would be playing major minutes, as much as his conditioning could handle. This has basically turned into last season's situation where Blake rendered DeAndre Jordan as disposable upon his arrival. Now with Dre & JJ, Nash is willing to completely ignore Blake on the bench for reasons known only to him, even with LMA & Clax not playing.

To be fair, Nash should just cut Blake in favor of a Playoff spot for Edwards, and let Blake take his chances at landing with another contender and fairly competing for some PT elsewhere.


Outside of ball handling I don't know what Johnson does better than Blake.

We may have to concede that James Johnson is also better than Blake at mixed martial arts. :biggrin:
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Post#187 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:55 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:kinda saw that too... towards the final 4 mins or so, i'm thinking and watching, like this isn't a very good close out 5 on the court.... that's assuming Kyrie is playing but other than that, guard wise we be undersized and slow on the defensive front.... now maybe Simmons makes a difference, hopefully, but is he playing to begin with? maybe under 2 mins...

not very comfortable seeing who's out there.... losing bembry was just stupid lol


I will never forgive marks for bembry.

That said I was ok with that lineup. We were not going to lose up 15 with 4 minutes left unless we turned it over a ton. so having your 3 best ball handlers in (Kyrie, Curry, Dragic) made alot of sense to me. you can live with being beat halfcourt on a mismatch. you dont want to give quick layups or open threes in transition off turnovers.


Bembry was great for what he was but him and James Larden hindered Brown’s abilities for most of the season. Brown was unlocked after those two left and Brown showed he is better than Bembry, contrary to what people actually believed. Harden’s pace killed Brown’s game. Brown likes to push the ball, Harden destroyed that. No secret Brown never liked him.


Bembry was better then even this version of brown. Especially on the defensive end. Tatum doesnt go off for 54 if Bembry is here. he was our glue guy. our record when Bembry started was outstanding.
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Post#188 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:56 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why isn't Blake playing?

Does anyone else find it odd that hes in the dog house?

I think hes simply much better than Johnson.


Blake should be playing. Nash is just an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing.


Blake, Bembry, Claxton. these guys bring hustle and energy and some defensive resistance. Blake is still among the top 5 in charges taken despite all the DNPs.
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Post#189 » by NetsWorld » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:02 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
I will never forgive marks for bembry.

That said I was ok with that lineup. We were not going to lose up 15 with 4 minutes left unless we turned it over a ton. so having your 3 best ball handlers in (Kyrie, Curry, Dragic) made alot of sense to me. you can live with being beat halfcourt on a mismatch. you dont want to give quick layups or open threes in transition off turnovers.


Bembry was great for what he was but him and James Larden hindered Brown’s abilities for most of the season. Brown was unlocked after those two left and Brown showed he is better than Bembry, contrary to what people actually believed. Harden’s pace killed Brown’s game. Brown likes to push the ball, Harden destroyed that. No secret Brown never liked him.


Bembry was better then even this version of brown. Especially on the defensive end. Tatum doesnt go off for 54 if Bembry is here. he was our glue guy. our record when Bembry started was outstanding.


Does tatum go for 54 if Ben is playing, who is much better than Bembry btw? Hell No! And no, I prefer how Brown pushes the pace to Bembry's style.
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Post#190 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:36 pm

KD35Netted wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:
Bembry was great for what he was but him and James Larden hindered Brown’s abilities for most of the season. Brown was unlocked after those two left and Brown showed he is better than Bembry, contrary to what people actually believed. Harden’s pace killed Brown’s game. Brown likes to push the ball, Harden destroyed that. No secret Brown never liked him.


Bembry was better then even this version of brown. Especially on the defensive end. Tatum doesnt go off for 54 if Bembry is here. he was our glue guy. our record when Bembry started was outstanding.


Does tatum go for 54 if Ben is playing, who is much better than Bembry btw? Hell No! And no, I prefer how Brown pushes the pace to Bembry's style.


Bembry is super uptempo. and he trumps brown in all impact stats.

If Ben plays its moot since both would be out of the rotation.
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Post#191 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:11 pm

I really don't get Nash's obsession with Johnson.

Blake can do everything he does. And it a better shooter.

Same with Edwards.

Hes just not good. It was fine to play with him with all the injures. Now Nash is still playing him?

Why???? It makes no sense.
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Post#192 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:00 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:I really don't get Nash's obsession with Johnson.

Blake can do everything he does. And it a better shooter.

Same with Edwards.

Hes just not good. It was fine to play with him with all the injures. Now Nash is still playing him?

Why???? It makes no sense.

I'm as frustrated with the use of Johnson as everyone else is, but the above is not true. All 3 are very different types of players with different strengths & weaknesses.

Johnson is by far the best ball handler & arguably the most athletic of the 3. Blake is the highest BB!Q of the 3, and the best at drawing charges and defending in the post. Edwards is the best perimeter defender of the 3.

Nash likely favors Johnson's ball handling over the other skill sets. It made sense when we were without Harden and/or Kyrie, and before we signed Dragic. When Kyrie & Simmons are both eventually available full time, ball handling from the forward spot is far less necessary.
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Post#193 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:14 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:I really don't get Nash's obsession with Johnson.

Blake can do everything he does. And it a better shooter.

Same with Edwards.

Hes just not good. It was fine to play with him with all the injures. Now Nash is still playing him?

Why???? It makes no sense.

I'm as frustrated with the use of Johnson as everyone else is, but the above is not true. All 3 are very different types of players with different strengths & weaknesses.

Johnson is by far the best ball handler & arguably the most athletic of the 3. Blake is the highest BB!Q of the 3, and the best at drawing charges and defending in the post. Edwards is the best perimeter defender of the 3.

Nash likely favors Johnson's ball handling over the other skill sets. It made sense when we were without Harden and/or Kyrie, and before we signed Dragic. When Kyrie & Simmons are both eventually available full time, ball handling from the forward spot is far less necessary.


We literally run 3 guard line ups, there's no need for an extra ball handler. Nash is an idiot.
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Post#194 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:26 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:I really don't get Nash's obsession with Johnson.

Blake can do everything he does. And it a better shooter.

Same with Edwards.

Hes just not good. It was fine to play with him with all the injures. Now Nash is still playing him?

Why???? It makes no sense.

I'm as frustrated with the use of Johnson as everyone else is, but the above is not true. All 3 are very different types of players with different strengths & weaknesses.

Johnson is by far the best ball handler & arguably the most athletic of the 3. Blake is the highest BB!Q of the 3, and the best at drawing charges and defending in the post. Edwards is the best perimeter defender of the 3.

Nash likely favors Johnson's ball handling over the other skill sets. It made sense when we were without Harden and/or Kyrie, and before we signed Dragic. When Kyrie & Simmons are both eventually available full time, ball handling from the forward spot is far less necessary.


We literally run 3 guard line ups, there's no need for an extra ball handler. Nash is an idiot.


With Dragic, KD and Cam we do not need more ball handlers.

Johnson is useless. Blake is just better.

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