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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#941 » by sdn40 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:06 am

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sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out once. One damn time. In 2010.
Brady had a Top 10 scoring defense help him 700 times.

Some idiot called the local sports talk show today and said he was sick of Rodgers throwing the ball out of bounds and was really hoping for a trade that netted a 5th Rounder and cash. I really do hate people.

How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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Simply an old and tired take. You don't need $200m for a competent defense. Capers cost the Packers 2 trophies all by himself. How does a pro coach not know how to stop the read option ?? And Rodgers wasn't the highest paid QB the majority of those years.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#942 » by Profound23 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:09 am

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sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out once. One damn time. In 2010.
Brady had a Top 10 scoring defense help him 700 times.

Some idiot called the local sports talk show today and said he was sick of Rodgers throwing the ball out of bounds and was really hoping for a trade that netted a 5th Rounder and cash. I really do hate people.

How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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That is a huge part of it and exactly what I have been trying to say. Rodgers has been the #1 paid QB a number of times throughout his career which hurts how many defensive players the team can add.

Another issue is we have always hired offensive head coaches and Bill is a great defensive head coach.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#943 » by M-C-G » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:37 am

sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out

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Simply an old and tired take.



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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#944 » by Big Dog Yank » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:08 am

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sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out once. One damn time. In 2010.
Brady had a Top 10 scoring defense help him 700 times.

Some idiot called the local sports talk show today and said he was sick of Rodgers throwing the ball out of bounds and was really hoping for a trade that netted a 5th Rounder and cash. I really do hate people.

How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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Ahhhh...yes...it was all Rodgers' fault and his high salaries that stopped us from getting the talent we need, not a front office that was led by a GM who fundamentally shied away from signing free agents.

So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl? Then why did we regularly have a cap surplus? I couldn't find every number, but here is a brief breakdown of how much cap space we carried over from season to season:

2014>2015 $7.8M
2015>2016 $7.0M
2017>2018 $3.9M
2019>2020 $5.3M
2020>2021 $3.7M
2021>2022 $2.9M

These numbers show that we could have added talent if we wanted to but chose not to do so. But, yeah, let's keep blaming Rodgers for front office decisions.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#945 » by RRyder823 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:23 am

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M-C-G wrote:
sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out once. One damn time. In 2010.
Brady had a Top 10 scoring defense help him 700 times.

Some idiot called the local sports talk show today and said he was sick of Rodgers throwing the ball out of bounds and was really hoping for a trade that netted a 5th Rounder and cash. I really do hate people.

How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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Ahhhh...yes...it was all Rodgers' fault and his high salaries that stopped us from getting the talent we need, not a front office that was led by a GM who fundamentally shied away from signing free agents.

So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl? Then why did we regularly have a cap surplus? I couldn't find every number, but here is a brief breakdown of how much cap space we carried over from season to season:

2014>2015 $7.8M
2015>2016 $7.0M
2017>2018 $3.9M
2019>2020 $5.3M
2020>2021 $3.7M
2021>2022 $2.9M

These numbers show that we could have added talent if we wanted to but chose not to do so. But, yeah, let's keep blaming Rodgers for front office decisions.


Did you really use the numbers from the last 2 years as evidence that the Packers have sat on cap space in lew of adding talent?....
Wow just wow

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#946 » by sdn40 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:05 pm

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sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out

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sdn40 wrote:
Simply an old and tired take.



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LMAO - you have to change other people's posts ??? I guess that's one way to go. Shows your intellect and proves you can't even defend your own ridiculous statements. Go put your head back in the sand and ignore the facts and realities
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#947 » by MoMM » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:17 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
Big Dog Yank wrote:
M-C-G wrote:How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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Ahhhh...yes...it was all Rodgers' fault and his high salaries that stopped us from getting the talent we need, not a front office that was led by a GM who fundamentally shied away from signing free agents.

So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl? Then why did we regularly have a cap surplus? I couldn't find every number, but here is a brief breakdown of how much cap space we carried over from season to season:

2014>2015 $7.8M
2015>2016 $7.0M
2017>2018 $3.9M
2019>2020 $5.3M
2020>2021 $3.7M
2021>2022 $2.9M

These numbers show that we could have added talent if we wanted to but chose not to do so. But, yeah, let's keep blaming Rodgers for front office decisions.


Did you really use the numbers from the last 2 years as evidence that the Packers have sat on cap space in lew of adding talent?....
Wow just wow

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If we had improved our ST somehow using this peanuts money, we could be the NFL champions by now. Improving ST is pretty cheap when compared to O and D, but I think the problem here wasn't that they weren't willing to spend, they just didn't care and thought it would be OK at some point.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#948 » by sdn40 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:
Big Dog Yank wrote:
Ahhhh...yes...it was all Rodgers' fault and his high salaries that stopped us from getting the talent we need, not a front office that was led by a GM who fundamentally shied away from signing free agents.

So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl? Then why did we regularly have a cap surplus? I couldn't find every number, but here is a brief breakdown of how much cap space we carried over from season to season:

2014>2015 $7.8M
2015>2016 $7.0M
2017>2018 $3.9M
2019>2020 $5.3M
2020>2021 $3.7M
2021>2022 $2.9M

These numbers show that we could have added talent if we wanted to but chose not to do so. But, yeah, let's keep blaming Rodgers for front office decisions.


Did you really use the numbers from the last 2 years as evidence that the Packers have sat on cap space in lew of adding talent?....
Wow just wow

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If we had improved our ST somehow using this peanuts money, we could be the NFL champions by now. Improving ST is pretty cheap when compared to O and D, but I think the problem here wasn't that they weren't willing to spend, they just didn't care and thought it would be OK at some point.


Competent coaching is all you needed on ST. Being smart enough to foresee problems and using select starters to fill in the gaps - like other teams do, is free.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#949 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:04 pm

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M-C-G wrote:
sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out once. One damn time. In 2010.
Brady had a Top 10 scoring defense help him 700 times.

Some idiot called the local sports talk show today and said he was sick of Rodgers throwing the ball out of bounds and was really hoping for a trade that netted a 5th Rounder and cash. I really do hate people.

How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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Ahhhh...yes...it was all Rodgers' fault and his high salaries that stopped us from getting the talent we need, not a front office that was led by a GM who fundamentally shied away from signing free agents.

So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl? Then why did we regularly have a cap surplus? I couldn't find every number, but here is a brief breakdown of how much cap space we carried over from season to season:

2014>2015 $7.8M
2015>2016 $7.0M
2017>2018 $3.9M
2019>2020 $5.3M
2020>2021 $3.7M
2021>2022 $2.9M

These numbers show that we could have added talent if we wanted to but chose not to do so. But, yeah, let's keep blaming Rodgers for front office decisions.
Excess cap space rolls over year to year so I don't think this is nearly as damning as you might think. The pack did basically spend to the cap every season with a small buffer that was rolling over.

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#950 » by M-C-G » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:06 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Big Dog Yank wrote:
M-C-G wrote:How many times was Brady the highest paid QB? It is almost like there was some kind of trade off with his teams being able to add and keep additional talent that helped the team on defense and in other areas.


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Ahhhh...yes...it was all Rodgers' fault and his high salaries that stopped us from getting the talent we need, not a front office that was led by a GM who fundamentally shied away from signing free agents.

So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl? Then why did we regularly have a cap surplus? I couldn't find every number, but here is a brief breakdown of how much cap space we carried over from season to season:

2014>2015 $7.8M
2015>2016 $7.0M
2017>2018 $3.9M
2019>2020 $5.3M
2020>2021 $3.7M
2021>2022 $2.9M

These numbers show that we could have added talent if we wanted to but chose not to do so. But, yeah, let's keep blaming Rodgers for front office decisions.
Excess cap space rolls over year to year so I don't think this is nearly as damning as you might think. The pack did basically spend to the cap every season with a small buffer that was rolling over.

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Yep, every team rolls some level of cap over because you need to keep some in order to manage in season roster moves.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#951 » by M-C-G » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:07 pm

sdn40 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
sdn40 wrote:IIRC Rodgers has had a Top 10 scoring defense to help him out

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sdn40 wrote:
Simply an old and tired take.



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LMAO - you have to change other people's posts ??? I guess that's one way to go. Shows your intellect and proves you can't even defend your own ridiculous statements. Go put your head back in the sand and ignore the facts and realities


Your old and tired take, shows my intellect? I guess that is one way to go. Don't take message board so seriously, now excuse me as I go back to the sand so I can ignore facts and realities as you say.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#952 » by M-C-G » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:10 pm

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Certainly not, but let's not pretend his salary hasn't prevented us from doing other things and adding/keeping other talent. It has, obviously.



Big Dog Yank wrote:So your claim is that by paying Rodgers so much that we couldn't pursue/keep the talent we needed to win a Super Bowl?

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No. We had all the talent we needed this year to win the super bowl. But, well, we didn't.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#953 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:41 pm

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VooDoo7 wrote:Not that stats tell the whole story. And I know QB rating isn't the end-all, be-all when it comes to comparing QBs. But Aaron Rodgers career QB rating in the playoffs is 100.1. Tom Brady's is 90.4. Lets not act like Rodgers was a playoff bum. He hasn't had defenses backing him like Brady had his whole career.


Yeah, I'm sorry, but I just don't understand this whole Rodgers being a playoff choker narrative that has developed over the past couple of months. He absolutely has culpability for January's loss to the Niners, but the special teams' epic pants crapping and the offensive line playing like a sieve are well documented.

Beyond that, you've gotta go pretty far back to find a playoff game that was clearly subpar for him...and when you do that, you'll come across plenty of outstanding postseason performances and some absolute dogsh*t rosters he dragged into the playoffs.

So much of this conversation illustrates how absolutely spoiled we are as a fan base that we'll chose to obsess over the outlier poor performances while willfully overlooking a dozen plus years of playoff excellence.


Yeah, he's been very good in the playoffs. Would they have more titles if his playoff numbers were as great as his regular season numbers? Of course, and he deserves some share of the blame for that. But defense and/or special teams has been about 10x more to blame in nearly every single playoff loss I can remember, thought not quite all of them of course.

The Packers gave up just over 37 ppg in their first 9 playoff losses after their last title. Even with their weather-assisted great defensive game against SF this year, their opponents are still averaging 35 ppg in their last 10 playoff losses. Rodgers's average defensive support is literally, by basically any metric, about twice as bad as any other HOF QB who made the playoffs almost every year of his career in the last 30 years.

Also, you should expect QB ratings to go down in the playoffs because you're playing with the same offense against defenses that are better on average almost by definition - well, unless you're playing against the Packers of course. And Rodgers has played against some of the best defenses the NFL could offer during his career (Urlacher Bears, Seattle, SF a few years ago). In fact, 8 of his 11 playoff losses are against top-10 scoring defenses.

He does lock in on certain receivers and hold the ball a little too long in those games. He probably should have run close to the goal line against TB last year. But that just goes to show that he has usually had to be all but perfect in order for the Packers to get to the Super Bowl, and as much as they're paying him, they're not paying him enough to expect perfection. This year was probably one of just 3 or 4 playoff games since their title in which he didn't earn his salary. That's a good rate.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#954 » by PintSizedBox10 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:47 pm

The FO offered Rodgers the contract though. It they felt they couldn't field a competitive team while paying one player such a high amount then they're stupid for offering the deal.

Draft better and one player's pay won't matter. It's that simple



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Post#955 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:52 pm

The Rodgers playoff resume like most things in life isn't exactly black and white. He's been great in plenty of playoff games and been **** by the D but he's had some ill timed down games in some big spots and bears some responsibility for certain losses. Heck the one time he actually won the SB his D bailed him out from a mediocre at best performance in the NFCC against the Bears.


I will say for whatever reason the NFCC round has been pretty rough for him.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#956 » by coolhandluke121 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:34 pm

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I will say for whatever reason the NFCC round has been pretty rough for him.


He seems to have played against a lot of teams with vicious pass rush capabilities in the NFCCG's. Not that that's an excuse, but I'm sure every great QB has had some bad games against such defenses. Guys like Brady can still win multiple titles with their fair share of games like that, whereas Rodgers hasn't had that luxury, other than 2010 of course.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#957 » by sdn40 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:53 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:

I will say for whatever reason the NFCC round has been pretty rough for him.


He seems to have played against a lot of teams with vicious pass rush capabilities in the NFCCG's. Not that that's an excuse, but I'm sure every great QB has had some bad games against such defenses. Guys like Brady can still win multiple titles with their fair share of games like that, whereas Rodgers hasn't had that luxury, other than 2010 of course.


That's been the issue. When you get deep into the Playoffs you are going to face tough defenses. Problem has always been that the
Packer defenses have been sh*t. So even mediocre offenses would put up 30+ and Rodgers was forced to keep pace against much tougher defenses. In most cases it can't be done. And with MLF's offenses being a bit more conservative, it's impossible. The offense has gone from 4 WR (Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Jones) under MM to Adams and a blocking WR with MLF. Expecting the same results from Rodgers is idiotic thinking.

It's just much easier for morons to point at a screen shot from a single play and scream about how Rodgers lost the game and how trading him for 3 draft picks would solve all the problems
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#958 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:57 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:

I will say for whatever reason the NFCC round has been pretty rough for him.


He seems to have played against a lot of teams with vicious pass rush capabilities in the NFCCG's. Not that that's an excuse, but I'm sure every great QB has had some bad games against such defenses. Guys like Brady can still win multiple titles with their fair share of games like that, whereas Rodgers hasn't had that luxury, other than 2010 of course.
Yeah I think it's fair to say Rodgers hasn't had the luxury of his team winning many playoff games for him. His margin for error has been pretty low.

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Post#959 » by Matches Malone » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:12 pm

Ball isn't hanging as much... :eyebrows:
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Rodgers Returns; Adams Tagged 

Post#960 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:20 pm

sdn40 wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:

I will say for whatever reason the NFCC round has been pretty rough for him.


He seems to have played against a lot of teams with vicious pass rush capabilities in the NFCCG's. Not that that's an excuse, but I'm sure every great QB has had some bad games against such defenses. Guys like Brady can still win multiple titles with their fair share of games like that, whereas Rodgers hasn't had that luxury, other than 2010 of course.


That's been the issue. When you get deep into the Playoffs you are going to face tough defenses. Problem has always been that the
Packer defenses have been sh*t. So even mediocre offenses would put up 30+ and Rodgers was forced to keep pace against much tougher defenses. In most cases it can't be done. And with MLF's offenses being a bit more conservative, it's impossible. The offense has gone from 4 WR (Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Jones) under MM to Adams and a blocking WR with MLF. Expecting the same results from Rodgers is idiotic thinking.

It's just much easier for morons to point at a screen shot from a single play and scream about how Rodgers lost the game and how trading him for 3 draft picks would solve all the problems
The D was outstanding this past loss. After a disaster start they settled down and gave them a shot last year against Tampa. The D played plenty well enough to beat Seattle in that stupid ass game.

That's why I say it's complicated when judging his playoff career. It's neither all or none of his fault.

Someone on here had a comment that Rodgers has played just well enough to lose close in a lot of these games. It's a harsh comment but kind of true.

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